So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[Negrodamus]

I'd be on board if we did:

Danny Green, Scott, Ferguson, Bradley, Poirer, and a second round pick for Lowry. That's about the length I'm willing to go. I'd also consider a future pick swap or a heavily, heavily protected first round pick instead of the second rounder.

Why would Tampa do that? They receive nothing of value

They wouldn't, which is why it's likely a non-starter.

I will say, however, that it's going to be tough to get a ton of value back for Lowry given his situation. It'll have to come from a team trying to take the jump from middle of the playoff pack.

[PhillyFan11]

So the raptors, who are currently only 4 games back, are going to trade the Sixers Lowry for a bunch of spare parts and a 2nd round pick? Makes literally 0 sense. No idea how available Lowry is/isn’t, but if he does get traded I imagine it will be West. Regardless of how realistic it is in our eyes, theres no doubt the Raptors front office still has their eyes on winning the east. The team is playing too good of basketball to think that they are just going to salary dump Lowry to a rival.

[ivysixer2000]

Kinda why I've been questioning this trade the whole time. They are in a playoff position right now, and he's 35 in the last year of his deal, why would we give up anything at all for him really?

I'd rather wait til the summer and see if Lowry wants to come home.

[kriss73]

You have to start thinking that Lowry couldn't be back in Toronto next year, so maybe it's the best interest in the Raptors try to gert something from him.

In my opinion could be a three team deal with the Cavs.
Something on the line of Lowry to Philly , Drummond and assets (?) to Toronto and expirings/assets to Cleveland

[Negrodamus]

So the raptors, who are currently only 4 games back, are going to trade the Sixers Lowry for a bunch of spare parts and a 2nd round pick? Makes literally 0 sense. No idea how available Lowry is/isn’t, but if he does get traded I imagine it will be West. Regardless of how realistic it is in our eyes, theres no doubt the Raptors front office still has their eyes on winning the east. The team is playing too good of basketball to think that they are just going to salary dump Lowry to a rival.

I think there is probably some self reflection on the Raptors end that they likely have no chance at coming out of the East.

But, like I said, the Sixers aren't the most likely trade partner. I could see them talking with the Nuggets who have some underperforming big contracts and promising, unproven young guys like RJ Hampton. I could see them getting a little desperate since they have an MVP candidate, an elite scorer, but are 7th in the West.

[Backcountry]

Lowry isn't going anywhere IMHO. Raptors started off 2-8, now are 16-15 and climbing. So they are 14-7 since the poor start. They just came off a road trip where they beat the Bucks two games in a row without Lowry, they beat the Nets last time they played. They aren't in sell mode unless they are getting an upgrade, because with another (very important) part they are right back where they were two seasons ago. Right now they are probably good enough to play spoiler in the playoffs, but that's about it. Harden would have been an amazing addition but as we all know the price was too high for most teams.

Seth Curry has the 10th best 3-point percentage in the league. Should be working on plays that get him open more so he can shoot more. That would spread the floor more for Embiid and Simmons.

[mademan]

I dont see a Lowry trade as that likely. Raps are gonna want some significant assets for him and the Sixers are likely going to want to save those assets for a younger piece.

[Negrodamus]

Who the hell is going to give up a lot for 4 months of Lowry? Unless the Raptors can get a sweetheart deal for Lowry so he can retire there, I see no reason for them to hold onto him.

[mademan]

Who the hell is going to give up a lot for 4 months of Lowry? Unless the Raptors can get a sweetheart deal for Lowry so he can retire there, I see no reason for them to hold onto him.

There's many reasons. Philly is probably only going to offer a late 1st. Is a late 1st worth more than the value Lowry can bring in the playoffs? Save for the Nets, im not sure why the Raps wouldnt feel good about their chances against everyone else. And if they can avoid the Nets, someone else might have an incredible series and take BRK out or BRK might suffer injuries. The east is too open for the Raps to sell Lowry short. And like i said, Philly isnt gonna want to pay a premium for an expiring 35 year old. Which is why i dont see a trade happening

[DCasey91]

Wait is Korver signed? Wonder what his situation is like. Would easily be our best shooter in the team overall lol.
Ideal shooter off the bench with Ben. He’s old but he’s lights out. He’s a moving shooter which is more ideal to our setup imo.

[ProcessDoctor]

Not that I'm rooting for or against it, but I could see Oladipo being a buy-low target, especially if LaVine is unavailable. He won't cost a lot but provides shot-creation and stellar defense, which would both be extremely valuable in a series against the Nets.

Green + Maxey + NYK 2nd is an offer I could see being accepted, especially if Houston was so hung up on Maxey in the Harden trade.


Simmons(20)/Milton(28)
Curry(28)/Joe(12)/Oladipo(8)
Oladipo(24)/Thybulle(24)
Harris(34)/Simmons(14)
Embiid(32)/Howard(16)


Simmons/Milton/FA
Curry/Joe/Korkmaz
Oladipo/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Scott
Embiid/Howard/Bradley/Poirer

[Stanford]

He won't cost a lot

What do you think the cost would be?

[ProcessDoctor]

He won't cost a lot

What do you think the cost would be?

I'm proposing Green + Maxey + NYK 2nd. I'd be surprised if he fetches a future FRP.

[DCasey91]

Mills
Dellavedova
Ingles
Simmons
Baynes

Some irony in this but my nations team would be a far more ideal setup to Simmons lol. 4 shooters, 3 extra ballhandlers + Big that can shoot a 3. Could easily see him average 12+ assists on that team. No a bad little setup going on.


Back back to on point with the pivot. I can foresee 2 trades before the deadline in March. Likely 2 smaller trades, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see a big one for us and small one considering how flawed the list is.
My best guess 2 trades and 1-2 signings off the buyout pile to bolster our list. There’s a lot of deadweight that can be cut imo. Korver and Ilyasova I would add as vet signings straight away.

[Lockdown504090]

Lowry isn't going anywhere IMHO. Raptors started off 2-8, now are 16-15 and climbing. So they are 14-7 since the poor start. They just came off a road trip where they beat the Bucks two games in a row without Lowry, they beat the Nets last time they played. They aren't in sell mode unless they are getting an upgrade, because with another (very important) part they are right back where they were two seasons ago. Right now they are probably good enough to play spoiler in the playoffs, but that's about it. Harden would have been an amazing addition but as we all know the price was too high for most teams.

Seth Curry has the 10th best 3-point percentage in the league. Should be working on plays that get him open more so he can shoot more. That would spread the floor more for Embiid and Simmons.

the raptors front office is divided on trading lowry. Lowry is selling his house in Toronto. He hasnt been in toronto for more than a few days since the nba season was suspended in feb 2020. This season has the most winnable title in years. Lowry plays for my team, but they should go after either lowry or beal before the nets get a chance to solidify their roster and create a dynasty.

Philly just lost becuase of a hard double on jojo. Everyone can do that to them in the playoffs. They need to turn tobias' contract into a player that can perform in big games regardless of position.

[PhillyFan11]

Lowry isn't going anywhere IMHO. Raptors started off 2-8, now are 16-15 and climbing. So they are 14-7 since the poor start. They just came off a road trip where they beat the Bucks two games in a row without Lowry, they beat the Nets last time they played. They aren't in sell mode unless they are getting an upgrade, because with another (very important) part they are right back where they were two seasons ago. Right now they are probably good enough to play spoiler in the playoffs, but that's about it. Harden would have been an amazing addition but as we all know the price was too high for most teams.

Seth Curry has the 10th best 3-point percentage in the league. Should be working on plays that get him open more so he can shoot more. That would spread the floor more for Embiid and Simmons.

the raptors front office is divided on trading lowry. Lowry is selling his house in Toronto. He hasnt been in toronto for more than a few days since the nba season was suspended in feb 2020. This season has the most winnable title in years. Lowry plays for my team, but they should go after either lowry or beal before the nets get a chance to solidify their roster and create a dynasty.

Philly just lost becuase of a hard double on jojo. Everyone can do that to them in the playoffs. They need to turn tobias' contract into a player that can perform in big games regardless of position.

Was the loss really because of the double team? Or did it have to do with shooting 29% from 3 and a putrid 38% overall? Because I have a gut feeling the not putting the ball in the basket thing is a pretty big deal...

You miss open shots and you lose games, not that difficult of a formula and that’s what happened to the Sixers. Raptors played solid overall D, but not to the point of those awful shooting #’s from guys with proven track records

[spikeslovechild]

I hate watching Lowry flop around the court like a dying fish and constantly whining to the refs. No thanks

[spikeslovechild]

Watch on YouTube

[stormi]

Lowry isn't going anywhere IMHO. Raptors started off 2-8, now are 16-15 and climbing. So they are 14-7 since the poor start. They just came off a road trip where they beat the Bucks two games in a row without Lowry, they beat the Nets last time they played. They aren't in sell mode unless they are getting an upgrade, because with another (very important) part they are right back where they were two seasons ago. Right now they are probably good enough to play spoiler in the playoffs, but that's about it. Harden would have been an amazing addition but as we all know the price was too high for most teams.

Seth Curry has the 10th best 3-point percentage in the league. Should be working on plays that get him open more so he can shoot more. That would spread the floor more for Embiid and Simmons.

the raptors front office is divided on trading lowry. Lowry is selling his house in Toronto. He hasnt been in toronto for more than a few days since the nba season was suspended in feb 2020. This season has the most winnable title in years. Lowry plays for my team, but they should go after either lowry or beal before the nets get a chance to solidify their roster and create a dynasty.

Philly just lost becuase of a hard double on jojo. Everyone can do that to them in the playoffs. They need to turn tobias' contract into a player that can perform in big games regardless of position.

This is such a hard thing to quantify, but I agree with you so much. Just during his tenure here Tobias has been pretty solid, but hasn't shown me anything to invite faith in him come big games. His shooting disappears, his handle is stiff, he's been defending better and that's nice, but I'd be shocked if we won anything of meaning relying on him to be a top 3 option on this team.

His biggest limitation is that he's a player that needs to get the ball in certain spots, rather than being a guy that can get to his spots under his own effort. He's really a buffed spot up shooter, that can do some things in transition or with momentum curling around screens but when the heat turns up he turns out. Hit a nice shot over Alex Caruso to ice a game this year and he's been playing pretty well but I'm not enamoured with any version of Tobias Harris as a solution piece and would turn him into an upgrade in an instant if the opportunity presented itself.

[DCasey91]

Yep Harris’s playoff and regular season numbers & impact are no way near a max contract (top 15 or so) even 25 million is borderline an overpay for the archetype that he is, and doesn’t fill the teams most important needs only further magnifies it.

Playoff averages:
15.4/9.3/3.8 on 42.1 % FG, 51ts % and only 31% from 3from lowish volume (4.5) and only 2.9 FTA’s per game.

It doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence.