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[GiantRobot]

Anytime I read about Terrence Jones it reads as THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG. Why would they have any interest in him? A tweener with no jumper and gets his points via the garbage buckets? This draft will be a bust if they take him, especially if it's over someone like Sullinger

[sixerfan1976]

Anytime I read about Terrence Jones it reads as THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG. Why would they have any interest in him? A tweener with no jumper and gets his points via the garbage buckets? This draft will be a bust if they take him, especially if it's over someone like Sullinger

would be an interesting debate if we are sitting at 15 and all the other guys on our board are gone. If you take Sullinger..you gotta get a really athletic center somehow........

[bebopdeluxe]

Which is why I can't understand why people have a thing for bigs like PJ3 and Sullinger. At least Sullinger has success rebounding the basketball in college...perhaps he can use his wide load to clear space for rebounds at the next level.

It's probably because Philly could have holes almost everywhere next season. If they trade Iguodala, the hope is the that E. Turner can play the position, but it's far from a certainty. They could really use a pure SG that can actually shoot the ball. They need a shot blocker, but at the same time, they could use a tough, burly PF as well. Sometimes, you can get a guy that fills one hole, but not the other. A guy like Sullinger could fill a hole exactly like you suggested, but then you would probably need to put him next to someone like Henson or a J. McGee type. Whatever the case, I think fans are intrigued by multiple position players because the team has multiple needs.[/quote]

Actually saw this posted over at Liberty Ballers (was that you?)...the idea of a Sullinger/McGee front court is VERY interesting...they might work very well together.

Jrue
ET
Iggy
Sullinger
McGee

That starting five - dare I say it - looks like it might be able to do something.[/quote]

STill cant shoot. Missing that which means need to get a shooter in there for either ET or Iggy. Otherwise I agree[/quote]

A couple of things...having a legit low-post offensive player that defenses need to account for - like Sullilnger - should free up space on the perimeter for Jrue and Iggy to get clean looks from 3. If what we saw out of Iguodala's 3-ball was not a fluke, adding a low-post presence that will collapse defenses should get them both more looks and cleaner looks - yes? If both of those guys can shoot the 3 at 38-40%, I think that will be good enoough.

And...Turner's jumper has GOT to get better, yes? I mean, it can't be any worse...

[The Sixer Fixer]

Anytime I read about Terrence Jones it reads as THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG. Why would they have any interest in him? A tweener with no jumper and gets his points via the garbage buckets? This draft will be a bust if they take him, especially if it's over someone like Sullinger

The people you are reading don't know what they are talking about IMO.

[bebopdeluxe]

Anytime I read about Terrence Jones it reads as THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG. Why would they have any interest in him? A tweener with no jumper and gets his points via the garbage buckets? This draft will be a bust if they take him, especially if it's over someone like Sullinger

would be an interesting debate if we are sitting at 15 and all the other guys on our board are gone. If you take Sullinger..you gotta get a really athletic center somehow........

Like JaVale McGee.

It would be a BIG roll of the dice, but...no guts, no glory.

[Mike Louch]

Zeller isn't a sexy pick but he will provide stability at center. I can't say I'd be upset if we got him at 15.

Don't want Zeller. Not much upside, just runs with a spring in his step. Not great on defense or offense. At 15 I want someone who does one or the other really well. Wouldnt mind picking up a late first if Zeller falls in the 1st (most likely wont happen). Sullinger probably could be had later in the 1st outside of the lottery. I would buy a pick then.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Actually saw this posted over at Liberty Ballers (was that you?)...the idea of a Sullinger/McGee front court is VERY interesting...they might work very well together.

Jrue
ET
Iggy
Sullinger
McGee

That starting five - dare I say it - looks like it might be able to do something.

In theory, that might sound good, but I think that front court would be an awful pairing when you really think about it. Sullinger's strength is low post scoring, but people think he will have a hard time getting his shot off. Well, you have now paired him with a C who has virtually no post game at all and also can't step out and stretch the floor to create space for Sullinger in the post. As a result, Sullinger will see loads of double teams in the post and struggle bad with that. If Sullinger if the PF, I think you need a C who is very good on defense, but also can step out and clear the lane for Sullinger on offense. There's not many C's who qualify for those two things.

[FreesFro]

Anytime I read about Terrence Jones it reads as THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG, THADDEUS YOUNG. Why would they have any interest in him? A tweener with no jumper and gets his points via the garbage buckets? This draft will be a bust if they take him, especially if it's over someone like Sullinger

Don't read about them then, watch them play. They do have similar games, but Jones is bigger and stronger. Jones is 6'9.5" and 250+lbs. Thaddeus is 6'8" and 220. I don't think Jones would be eaten alive by the Joel Anthony's of the world like Thad. I think Jones has the size to be a PF in the NBA. If he could add some low post moves like Thad has he will be a very good player at the 4.

[bballin76]

Do the GSW trade, get Henson...pick Sullinger with the 15?

Get a shooter with one of the other two picks?

Possible?

[GiantRobot]

Zeller isn't a sexy pick but he will provide stability at center. I can't say I'd be upset if we got him at 15.

Don't want Zeller. Not much upside, just runs with a spring in his step. Not great on defense or offense. At 15 I want someone who does one or the other really well. Wouldnt mind picking up a late first if Zeller falls in the 1st (most likely wont happen). Sullinger probably could be had later in the 1st outside of the lottery. I would buy a pick then.

Wasn't the book on Joakim Noah out of college was he had no real potential and he sorta was what he was? And Carlos Boozer? Sometimes taking the guy who is sort of proven isn't such a bad thing.

RE: Does anyone have any friendlier write up on Jones than what I said about him? He sounds like he's years away from being a producer and has no real offensive game and is all about potential

[sixerfan1976]

Do the GSW trade, get Henson...pick Sullinger with the 15?

Get a shooter with one of the other two picks?

Possible?

well you could amnesty brand to find a shooter i guess.

not sure how good a shooter you will get in 2nd round...jenkins will be gone by time we pick at 45...but we could always try and move up

[Winejk]

Ok as long as other people are putting suggestions out, I'll do mine.

Stay at #15 and take Terrence Jones.
Trade Iguodala for Gasol.
Amnesty Brand. Go after Javale McGee.
Re sign Lou Williams

Holiday/Lou WIll
Turner
T Jones/Thad
Gasol/Lavoy
MCGee/Vucevic

Everyone's concern with Gasol is his age. He has two years left on his contract, which is basically what Igoudala has left on his. If Gasol ages fast, you only have to live with it for two years. That's a pretty versatile front line with guys that have different skills. You have shot blockers, post scorers, jump shooters, passers and rebounders. It allows Holiday and Turner to grow (quite frankly I'm scared to give the keys to Turner, but since most people think he needs an opportunity without Iguodala, here it is.). Lou Will and Thad remain in their roles as super subs. You are putting a lot of faith in Terrence Jones to start, but I think he can handle it. Most importantly, it allows Collins to go with a more conventional line up. You'd probably have to find a shooter off the bench to round out the roster.

[The Sixer Fixer]

The Hoops Report ‏@TheHoopsReport
Don't be surprised if Cavs throw a screwball with No. 4. They did it last year with Tristan Thompson. Could be Terrence Ross this year.

[Mike Louch]

When did Spencer lose his mobility? Was it before college....because I watched him a lot in college and he wasn't mobile at all.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Correct, Spencer Hawes was NEVER mobile. I also watched him in college (Washington Huskie?), and the dude had game but he was slow and prodding. Zeller runs the floor very well for a big but nothing he did at Carolina jumped out at me. He seems to be a good athlete but there are a ton of athletes in the NBA he would have to match up with each night in the NBA. I also question if hes strong enough to keep opposing 5's (maybe 4's if he plays some PF) off the boards. I would pass on him at 15.

[sixerfan1976]

:o

The Hoops Report ‏@TheHoopsReport
Don't be surprised if Cavs throw a screwball with No. 4. They did it last year with Tristan Thompson. Could be Terrence Ross this year.

well they are working him out today privately.

he is gonna be really good. Not #4 pick good. but good;)

[bebopdeluxe]

Actually saw this posted over at Liberty Ballers (was that you?)...the idea of a Sullinger/McGee front court is VERY interesting...they might work very well together.

Jrue
ET
Iggy
Sullinger
McGee

That starting five - dare I say it - looks like it might be able to do something.

In theory, that might sound good, but I think that front court would be an awful pairing when you really think about it. Sullinger's strength is low post scoring, but people think he will have a hard time getting his shot off. Well, you have now paired him with a C who has virtually no post game at all and also can't step out and stretch the floor to create space for Sullinger in the post. As a result, Sullinger will see loads of double teams in the post and struggle bad with that. If Sullinger if the PF, I think you need a C who is very good on defense, but also can step out and clear the lane for Sullinger on offense. There's not many C's who qualify for those two things.

I need to go back and read what people are saying, but I did not get the sense that people are concerned about Sullinger getting his shot off. His game is not a flashy, Blake Griffin spin-and-jump over people kind of game...it is more "Old School Chevy". In fact, Brand would probably be an EXCELLENT mentor for Sullinger...unless we have to amnesty him to sign McGee, that is...



One other point - just the whole concept of having a player whose low-post game could draw double-teams makes me drool...and would go a long way towards making Jrue and Iguodala acceptable outside shooting threats.

[Gsraider]

Actually saw this posted over at Liberty Ballers (was that you?)...the idea of a Sullinger/McGee front court is VERY interesting...they might work very well together.

Jrue
ET
Iggy
Sullinger
McGee

That starting five - dare I say it - looks like it might be able to do something.

Cannot take credit for that one, since I don't even visit Liberty Ballers and I simply pulled McGee's name out of the air because he was a FA shot blocker that could fit alongside of a guy like Sullinger and could possibly be had. It doesn't have to be those two though. Henson and a burly PF could as well.

[The Sixer Fixer]

:o

The Hoops Report ‏@TheHoopsReport
Don't be surprised if Cavs throw a screwball with No. 4. They did it last year with Tristan Thompson. Could be Terrence Ross this year.

well they are working him out today privately.

he is gonna be really good. Not #4 pick good. but good;)

Yeah, I'm sure they would move down into the 8-12 range if they really wanted him.

[KrazySixersD]

Lol they r not gona take him at 4... stupid reporting right there... oj mayo is a shooter we can get in free agency should we need one... if we r gona get mcgee or lopez in free agency, the only two guys that can play center, we r gona have to offer the max so that their team dusnt match.... i would probably do that if we made other moves to improve as well as adding a guy like mayo...landry fiekds is also a rfa and the knicks have salary issues... he can play the sf position and hit the three ... he might b an option

[sixerfan1976]

yeah i think, i like most of us, want immediate satisfaction tomorrow...but chances are...the real story for our offseason wont unfold until July or later with free agency/trades.

I would like to see aggressiveness tomorrow.....instead of waiting for our turn to pick