Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[TTP]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

It's not that I don't see his struggles. You'd have to be blind not to. It's IT'S the fact that you continue to miss the point that I have made about him. Yes...he hasn't worked out in Philadelphia, but that doesn't mean that at 21 years old he is a lost cause. For some reason you keep running with the idiotic assumption that I'm just blindly supporting him, when that couldn't be any further from the truth. You use bird brained monikers to categorize anyone that shares a different opinion on him than you. How narrow minded can you get.
One more time (I feel like I'm teaching the alphabet).....Yes...He has struggled....No.....He does not fit here....We should trade him....I do not think he is a lost cause....He has shown that he does have talent in the league.
It's incredible that you keep missing my point, and only picking out the things you can spin to support your own stance.

I didn't miss your point and anyone with eyeballs can read the exact statement of yours that I quoted as well as my response. You disagreed that Okafor is one of the worst players. You said nothing about his future potential, thus my response did not attempt to evaluate his future potential. You're shifting goalposts.

If anything, you either missed mine or didn't read what I said, because my first sentence indicated that it's reasonable to suggest that he can improve - thus I said it's reasonable to suggest that he isn't a lost cause (even if I disagree with it).

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

When Okafor plays, we lose. It is no coincidence that when he was racking up DNP's in January, we went on a winning streak and were one of the hottest teams in the NBA. That pretty much sums up his "impact" on the game. He can get 20 sure, but more likely then not you are going to lose that game. His defense, motor and rebounding are so sub par that he does nothing on the floor but score occasionally in isolation settings.

You can't even hide the guy on defense. If he was a elite rebounder/passer/shooter like a Kevin Love then maybe you could live with his warts on defense, or even if he played with a motor.... but he simply doesn't do enough for you to warrant staying on the floor if your trying to win.

I agree, we don't win with him. I've said 346,775,563 times that the dude has gotta go. Not sure why you're jumping in on this. I've watched the majority of our games this year. I totally know he's worthless on defense. I just don't think he's the worst player in the history of the NBA. Apparently that makes me a Prokafor lol.

[BigSleep333]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

i dont see what? i dont see him as one of the worst players in the league, nah! my problem here is, too many guys are going OVER THE TOP when it comes to talking bout okafor. i cant take that nonsense...i dont even like okafor. i value defense over offense and ill be glad when i dont have to see okafor sleeping on D again.

you negafors (im not a prokafor as you see, im at least trying to be objective) completely ignore his elite postskills, footwork, jump shot improvements, etc. (his 69 % FT in his rookieseason, coming from a 51% FT college season was impressive)

this positives alone eliminates him in a discussion of the worst player of the league, regardless what an RPM he has. (yeah, ttp, i think you are the personified version of RPM) i'll never ask what you think about denzel valentines D, cause you will probably tell me, hes not an absolute TRASH defender, because he ranks 20th amongst SG in DRPM.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

It's not that I don't see his struggles. You'd have to be blind not to. It's IT'S the fact that you continue to miss the point that I have made about him. Yes...he hasn't worked out in Philadelphia, but that doesn't mean that at 21 years old he is a lost cause. For some reason you keep running with the idiotic assumption that I'm just blindly supporting him, when that couldn't be any further from the truth. You use bird brained monikers to categorize anyone that shares a different opinion on him than you. How narrow minded can you get.
One more time (I feel like I'm teaching the alphabet).....Yes...He has struggled....No.....He does not fit here....We should trade him....I do not think he is a lost cause....He has shown that he does have talent in the league.
It's incredible that you keep missing my point, and only picking out the things you can spin to support your own stance.

I didn't miss your point and anyone with eyeballs can read the exact statement of yours that I quoted as well as my response. You disagreed that Okafor is one of the worst players. You said nothing about his future potential, thus my response did not attempt to evaluate his future potential.

If anything, you either missed mine or didn't read what I said, because my first sentence indicated that it's reasonable to suggest that he can improve - thus I said it's reasonable to suggest that he isn't a lost cause (even if I disagree with it).

I'm not doing this with you today. I simply stated that he's not the worst player in the history of the NBA. Everything else we pretty much agree on. Then the Prokafor comment got thrown around. The same people that loathe him are going to be the ones complaining when our return is basically a bag of dog poo....Unless it's LloydFree because he'd apparently be fine with that. I don't even care at this point what we get for him. I wish BC would quit playing with himself and get this done.

[TTP]

LloydFree: "Okafor grades as one of the worst players."

ExplosionsInDaSky: "One of the worst players? Yeah...ok."

Snamuh: *Provides evidence for why he's graded as one of the worst players*

ExposionsInDaSky: "You again missed my point. He isn't a lost cause."

You have serious reading comprehension issues. Do you understand that LloydFree's post, your response, and my response all are talking about present Jahlil Okafor? Then you claim that I miss your point and start talking about your opinion of future Okafor, which was NEVER addressed in either Lloyd's post or your initial response?

[sixers4real]

Okafor for Asik+2017 pick swap+2018 top 5 protected(if not 2019 top 5 protected)

Who says no?
I don't care about Asik contract. It ends 2020 (with player option). Same summer we sign Simmons max.

[TTP]

It's not that I don't see his struggles. You'd have to be blind not to. It's IT'S the fact that you continue to miss the point that I have made about him. Yes...he hasn't worked out in Philadelphia, but that doesn't mean that at 21 years old he is a lost cause. For some reason you keep running with the idiotic assumption that I'm just blindly supporting him, when that couldn't be any further from the truth. You use bird brained monikers to categorize anyone that shares a different opinion on him than you. How narrow minded can you get.
One more time (I feel like I'm teaching the alphabet).....Yes...He has struggled....No.....He does not fit here....We should trade him....I do not think he is a lost cause....He has shown that he does have talent in the league.
It's incredible that you keep missing my point, and only picking out the things you can spin to support your own stance.

I didn't miss your point and anyone with eyeballs can read the exact statement of yours that I quoted as well as my response. You disagreed that Okafor is one of the worst players. You said nothing about his future potential, thus my response did not attempt to evaluate his future potential.

If anything, you either missed mine or didn't read what I said, because my first sentence indicated that it's reasonable to suggest that he can improve - thus I said it's reasonable to suggest that he isn't a lost cause (even if I disagree with it).

I'm not doing this with you today. I simply stated that he's not the worst player in the history of the NBA. Everything else we pretty much agree on. Then the Prokafor comment got thrown around. The same people that loathe him are going to be the ones complaining when our return is basically a bag of dog poo....Unless it's LloydFree because he'd apparently be fine with that. I don't even care at this point what we get for him. I wish BC would quit playing with himself and get this done.

It's laughable. You're shifting again and you don't even realize it! Now you're including "history of the NBA". All of the initial comments are talking about Okafor in present NBA. Not past, not future, present. My god.

[wickedwrister]

3 days later, 2 games and a road trip missed and still no trade.....

Really glad Adam Silver orchestrated a hostile takeover of our organization so "real basketball people" could be in charge.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

LloydFree: "Okafor grades as one of the worst players."

ExplosionsInDaSky: "One of the worst players? Yeah...ok."

Snamuh: *Provides evidence for why he's graded as one of the worst players*

ExposionsInDaSky: "You again missed my point. He isn't a lost cause."

You have serious reading comprehension issues. Do you understand that LloydFree's post, your response, and my response all are talking about present Jahlil Okafor? Then you claim that I miss your point and start talking about your opinion of future Okafor, which was NEVER addressed in either Lloyd's post or your initial response?

Just said that I don't see him as the worst player in the league.

EDIT: Post should have ended here.

[TTP]

you hate okafor, we get it. hes not the player we hoped a 3rd pick would be, but he definately is not one of the worst overall (yeah he is one of the worst rebounders, but thats it)...stop that BS

talking bout defense, valentine is even worse than okafor. have you seen him play?? his defense isnt good enough for dleague level..thats how bad he is as a defender

Wow this is an absolute ridiculous assumption on your part. One of the worst players? Yeah...ok.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

i dont see what? i dont see him as one of the worst players in the league, nah! my problem here is, too many guys are going OVER THE TOP when it comes to talking bout okafor. i cant take that nonsense...i dont even like okafor. i value defense over offense and ill be glad when i dont have to see okafor sleeping on D again.

you negafors (im not a prokafor as you see, im at least trying to be objective) completely ignore his elite postskills, footwork, jump shot improvements, etc. (his 69 % FT in his rookieseason, coming from a 51% FT college season was impressive)

this positives alone eliminates him in a discussion of the worst player of the league, regardless what an RPM he has. (yeah, ttp, i think you are the personified version of RPM) i'll never ask what you think about denzel valentines D, cause you will probably tell me, hes not an absolute TRASH defender, because he ranks 20th amongst SG in DRPM.

I feel like I'm talking to the scouts from Moneyball that care about aesthetics and want to sell jeans when I only care about production. Okafor has some appealing aesthetics but it doesn't convert to production. Noel and Holmes are more efficient scorers in the post without the fancy footwork.

Also you mention Okafor's improvement from college to his rookie season but fail to mention his regression this season. His FT% is 62% this season.

I don't understand the logic of the bolded. Point out one improvement from college (that hasn't even improved again in his second season) and some fancy footwork is enough to say someone is not one of the worst players in the league?

I'm sorry you don't like math and numbers but it's the most tangible way to evaluate players. Also you're a bit hypocritical by using one number (his improved FT%) to support your argument that he's not one of the worst players, but then mock me because I use other numbers to argue otherwise.

[Skates]

3 days later, 2 games and a road trip missed and still no trade.....

Really glad Adam Silver orchestrated a hostile takeover of our organization so "real basketball people" could be in charge.

The media is starting to turn on BC and rightly so.

Still, if in the end he pulls off a great or very good trade most will be forgiven. If not, and if he whines about inheriting too many centers, the backlash will be fairly nasty.

[TTP]

LloydFree: "Okafor grades as one of the worst players."

ExplosionsInDaSky: "One of the worst players? Yeah...ok."

Snamuh: *Provides evidence for why he's graded as one of the worst players*

ExposionsInDaSky: "You again missed my point. He isn't a lost cause."

You have serious reading comprehension issues. Do you understand that LloydFree's post, your response, and my response all are talking about present Jahlil Okafor? Then you claim that I miss your point and start talking about your opinion of future Okafor, which was NEVER addressed in either Lloyd's post or your initial response?

Just said that I don't see him as the worst player in the league. Other than that IDGAF about you or your Internet warrior opinion.

Shifting again. Your original statement was that you didn't think he was "One of the worst players". Now you're claiming your position is that he isn't the single worst. Your lack of consistency is simply astounding. We can see it in the quotes man! Go back and read what you wrote if you don't believe me.

[BigSleep333]

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

i dont see what? i dont see him as one of the worst players in the league, nah! my problem here is, too many guys are going OVER THE TOP when it comes to talking bout okafor. i cant take that nonsense...i dont even like okafor. i value defense over offense and ill be glad when i dont have to see okafor sleeping on D again.

you negafors (im not a prokafor as you see, im at least trying to be objective) completely ignore his elite postskills, footwork, jump shot improvements, etc. (his 69 % FT in his rookieseason, coming from a 51% FT college season was impressive)

this positives alone eliminates him in a discussion of the worst player of the league, regardless what an RPM he has. (yeah, ttp, i think you are the personified version of RPM) i'll never ask what you think about denzel valentines D, cause you will probably tell me, hes not an absolute TRASH defender, because he ranks 20th amongst SG in DRPM.

I feel like I'm talking to the scouts from Moneyball that care about aesthetics and want to sell jeans when I only care about production. Noel and Holmes are more efficient scorers in the post without the fancy footwork. Okafor has some appealing aesthetics but it doesn't convert to production.

Also you mention Okafor's improvement from college to his rookie season but fail to mention his regression this season. His FT% is 62% this season.

I don't understand the logic of the bolded. Point out one improvement from college (that hasn't even improved again in his second season) and some fancy footwork is enough to say someone is not one of the worst players in the league?

I'm sorry you don't like math and numbers but it's the most tangible way to evaluate players. Also you're a bit hypocritical by using one number (his improved FT%) to support your argument why he's not one of the worst players, but then mock me because I use numbers to argue otherwise.

i love math and numbers..but math is not my religion as it pretends to be yours..

you are bad at that logic thing, if you cant see it. talking bout the WORST player, the player would have to be bad at almost every single criteria. the fact he HAS pros, will make him better than some with absolutely NONE pros. shouldnt be that hard to figure that out.

[Negrodamus]

Trade Okafor to the Raptors for Delon Wright. They aren't using him and want to play more team offense (lol).

[TTP]

Trade Okafor to the Raptors for Delon Wright. They aren't using him and want to play more team offense (lol).

I'm pretty sure I suggested this in November. It might have been in a Noel deal but I've been advocating targeting Delon for a while. He's a good post-hype sleeper buy low target.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I didn't miss your point and anyone with eyeballs can read the exact statement of yours that I quoted as well as my response. You disagreed that Okafor is one of the worst players. You said nothing about his future potential, thus my response did not attempt to evaluate his future potential.

If anything, you either missed mine or didn't read what I said, because my first sentence indicated that it's reasonable to suggest that he can improve - thus I said it's reasonable to suggest that he isn't a lost cause (even if I disagree with it).

I'm not doing this with you today. I simply stated that he's not the worst player in the history of the NBA. Everything else we pretty much agree on. Then the Prokafor comment got thrown around. The same people that loathe him are going to be the ones complaining when our return is basically a bag of dog poo....Unless it's LloydFree because he'd apparently be fine with that. I don't even care at this point what we get for him. I wish BC would quit playing with himself and get this done.

It's laughable. You're shifting again and you don't even realize it! Now you're including "history of the NBA". All of the initial comments are talking about Okafor in present NBA. Not past, not future, present. My god.

I gotta be done with you at this point. Arguing on the internet is really a pointless thing to do. I'm a 76ers fan, the majority of posters on here are super cool people to talk basketball with. I simply cannot do it with you. You're spinning everything I say and resorting to insults because you yourself are getting upset because some of us don't share your opinion about Okafor being the worst player in the league despite your calculations. Like I said, I don't delve into analytics too often. This is going nowhere though, you completely dismiss or just can't grasp (not sure if it's on purpose) everything I'm saying (AND YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT), so godspeed my fellow Sixer supporter.

[Negrodamus]

Trade Okafor to the Raptors for Delon Wright. They aren't using him and want to play more team offense (lol).

I'm pretty sure I suggested this in November. It might have been in a Noel deal but I've been advocating targeting Delon for a while. He's a good post-hype sleeper buy low target.

Yep, I've been wanting him since his first year at Utah concluded.

[TTP]

i love math and numbers..but math is not my religion as it pretends to be yours..

you are bad at that logic thing, if you cant see it. talking bout the WORST player, the player would have to be bad at almost every single criteria. the fact he HAS pros, will make him better than some with absolutely NONE pros. shouldnt be that hard to figure that out.

If you're willing to escrow a large sum of money with a reputable third party to make it worth my time, we can both take the LSAT in a few months and bet to see who has the higher score to determine who has a better grasp of logic. I'll warn you that it's probably not in your best interest to accept that challenge though.

I don't agree with the bolded at all. We're talking about NBA players - just about every player got to the league on some type of strength. Having a strength doesn't mean you aren't among the worst players.

[TTP]

I'm not doing this with you today. I simply stated that he's not the worst player in the history of the NBA. Everything else we pretty much agree on. Then the Prokafor comment got thrown around. The same people that loathe him are going to be the ones complaining when our return is basically a bag of dog poo....Unless it's LloydFree because he'd apparently be fine with that. I don't even care at this point what we get for him. I wish BC would quit playing with himself and get this done.

It's laughable. You're shifting again and you don't even realize it! Now you're including "history of the NBA". All of the initial comments are talking about Okafor in present NBA. Not past, not future, present. My god.

I gotta be done with you at this point. Arguing on the internet is really a pointless thing to do. I'm a 76ers fan, the majority of posters on here are super cool people to talk basketball with. I simply cannot do it with you. You're spinning everything I say and resorting to insults because you yourself are getting upset because some of us don't share your opinion about Okafor being the worst player in the league despite your calculations. Like I said, I don't delve into analytics too often. This is going nowhere though, you completely dismiss or just can't grasp (not sure if it's on purpose) everything I'm saying (AND YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT), so godspeed my fellow Sixer supporter.

I'm not spinning anything. I've called you out on shifting your point several times.

I'm resorting to insults? Let's look at the sequence of posts here.

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

It's not that I don't see his struggles. You'd have to be blind not to. It's IT'S the fact that you continue to miss the point that I have made about him. Yes...he hasn't worked out in Philadelphia, but that doesn't mean that at 21 years old he is a lost cause. For some reason you keep running with the idiotic assumption that I'm just blindly supporting him, when that couldn't be any further from the truth. You use bird brained monikers to categorize anyone that shares a different opinion on him than you. How narrow minded can you get.
One more time (I feel like I'm teaching the alphabet).....Yes...He has struggled....No.....He does not fit here....We should trade him....I do not think he is a lost cause....He has shown that he does have talent in the league.
It's incredible that you keep missing my point, and only picking out the things you can spin to support your own stance.

I made my argument for why Okafor is one of the worst players in the league. You responded by telling me I missed your point. You called my assumptions idiotic. You said I used bird brained monikers. You called me narrow minded. You made a condescending comment about feeling like you were teaching the alphabet.

Are you kidding me?

[Unbreakable99]

I'm glad we're sitting Okafor to try to trade him and at the same time we are on a 3 game win streak. I'm sure this really helps his cause for other teams to want him.