Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Sixerscan]

Kris Dunn swept all of those last year. The rookies haven't successfully predicted the rookie of the year since Durant.

[LloydFree]

There are a lot of clueless rookies who don't know how great Simmons is. Last year Simmons didn't get lots of votes either. I love the jealously of other players. Simmons makes others angry so they don't rank him high.

https://www.nba.com/amp/league/2017-18-nba-rookie-survey

Who will be the 2017-18 Kia Rookie of the Year?

1. Dennis Smith Jr., Dallas -- 25.7% 2. Lonzo Ball, L.A. Lakers -- 20.0% 3. Markelle Fultz, Philadelphia -- 17.1% 4. Kyle Kuzma, L.A. Lakers -- 5.7%
Donovan Mitchell, Utah -- 5.7 %
Ben Simmons, Philadelphia -- 5.7% Others receiving votes: Dwayne Bacon, Charlotte; Tony Bradley, Utah; De'Aaron Fox, Sacramento; Josh Jackson, Phoenix; Malik Monk, Charlotte; Jayson Tatum, Boston; Sindarius Thornwell, LA Clippers

Which rookie will have the best career?

1. Lonzo Ball, L.A. Lakers -- 18.4%
Jayson Tatum, Boston -- 18.4% 3. Josh Jackson, Phoenix -- 10.5%
Dennis Smith Jr., Dallas -- 10.5% 5. De'Aaron Fox, Sacramento -- 7.9% 6. Markelle Fultz, Philadelphia -- 5.3%
Harry Giles, Sacramento -- 5.3%
Ben Simmons, Philadelphia -- 5.3%

It's interesting that Harry Giles carries that kind of respect amongst his peers.

[Mik317]

eh...i don't think Fultz wins ROTY either. He isn't the only guy on his team like most ROTY for one...and will have to share the rock quite a bit too.

[TTP]

There are a lot of clueless rookies who don't know how great Simmons is. Last year Simmons didn't get lots of votes either. I love the jealously of other players. Simmons makes others angry so they don't rank him high.

https://www.nba.com/amp/league/2017-18-nba-rookie-survey

Who will be the 2017-18 Kia Rookie of the Year?

1. Dennis Smith Jr., Dallas -- 25.7% 2. Lonzo Ball, L.A. Lakers -- 20.0% 3. Markelle Fultz, Philadelphia -- 17.1% 4. Kyle Kuzma, L.A. Lakers -- 5.7%
Donovan Mitchell, Utah -- 5.7 %
Ben Simmons, Philadelphia -- 5.7% Others receiving votes: Dwayne Bacon, Charlotte; Tony Bradley, Utah; De'Aaron Fox, Sacramento; Josh Jackson, Phoenix; Malik Monk, Charlotte; Jayson Tatum, Boston; Sindarius Thornwell, LA Clippers

Which rookie will have the best career?

1. Lonzo Ball, L.A. Lakers -- 18.4%
Jayson Tatum, Boston -- 18.4% 3. Josh Jackson, Phoenix -- 10.5%
Dennis Smith Jr., Dallas -- 10.5% 5. De'Aaron Fox, Sacramento -- 7.9% 6. Markelle Fultz, Philadelphia -- 5.3%
Harry Giles, Sacramento -- 5.3%
Ben Simmons, Philadelphia -- 5.3%

It's interesting that Harry Giles carries that kind of respect amongst his peers.

Not too surprising. People are often reluctant to change their opinions, even in light of new information.

Lol though that Simmons is tied for 6th and that Kuzma is tied with Simmons for ROTY.

[LloydFree]

There are a lot of clueless rookies who don't know how great Simmons is. Last year Simmons didn't get lots of votes either. I love the jealously of other players. Simmons makes others angry so they don't rank him high.

https://www.nba.com/amp/league/2017-18-nba-rookie-survey

It's interesting that Harry Giles carries that kind of respect amongst his peers.

Not too surprising. People are often reluctant to change their opinions, even in light of new information.

Lol though that Simmons is tied for 6th and that Kuzma is tied with Simmons for ROTY.

Now, after looking at the number of rookies surveyed and the breakdown, it was only two guys who picked Giles. Probably two of the Duke guys that got drafted pumping their teammate.

[Unbreakable99]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

[LloydFree]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

It's not luck. He keeps putting himself in good position to get better players. Now when he flips IT and Crowder for Kyrie, he just needs one of the Lakers or Brooklyn picks to be a star, to complete his team.

[Unbreakable99]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

It's not luck. He keeps putting himself in good position to get better players. Now when he flips IT and Crowder for Kyrie, he just needs one of the Lakers or Brooklyn picks to be a star, to complete his team.

I'm hot. I hope he does include Crowder though. That would make their defense worse. I want that Brooklyn pick included too though. Tatum might have enough minutes now to be a serious threat to be ROY.

[europeanfan]

Isaiah had a better season than Kyrie last year.

Not sure how that changes anything short term. Changes their outlook in 3 years but barely now.

Just gonna make a potential Boston Cavs series extra spicy.

[LloydFree]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

It's not luck. He keeps putting himself in good position to get better players. Now when he flips IT and Crowder for Kyrie, he just needs one of the Lakers or Brooklyn picks to be a star, to complete his team.

I'm hot. I hope he does include Crowder though. That would make their defense worse. I want that Brooklyn pick included too though. Tatum might have enough minutes now to be a serious threat to be ROY.

If it goes down, players have to be involved. He has to match salaries. Picks don't have salaries. Crowder will have to be moved in this deal or another. There is no way he can have Crowder in that locker room with Hayward, after what happened last year.

Honestly, I don't think the Brooklyn pick will be as bad as the Lakers pick this year. The Lakers aren't going to be better than anybody in the West, but Brooklyn will win a lot of games against Chicago, Atlanta, Indiana and Orlando in the East this year.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Danny Ainge is losing more than the Trump administration this offseason, holy crap.

I was sure we'd win our division this upcoming season, might put a couple grand on it now. The question is, what will I buy with my winnings?

Thinking new car.

[smittybanton]

This has been done ad nauseum. The odds are Fultz would have been gone before we had our pick at 3, because Danny Ainge f'd it up. The first thing he did after trading for the #3 pick was get on a plane to get Josh Jackson who he wanted. Jackson burnt him 30,000 feet up in the air and Ainge was stuffed because he knew now neither Fultz or Ball were going to be there at 3 for him to pick up.

If Ainge was half the great GM he tells everyone he is in hindsight, he would have sussed out Josh Jackson before doing the trade... realised Jackson wanted no piece of Boston and then he would have stayed at the #1 pick and most likely picked Fultz or Ball instead.

So fate in the end would have decided that we had to do the trade to get Fultz. No way was Ainge picking Tatum at #1.

I think Ainge's #1 target was getting #5 and #10 from Sacramento. The one player that fit their needs was Jonathan Isaac, then they also could've gone big at #10. I totally agree with Unbreakable that Boston was in a horrible position where none of the top four fit their needs. Next year is the draft for them. Chocked full of bigs. And I'm not happy we put them in a position to get two of the best. Still, I've come to terms with it.

Yup I agree but if we didn't trade with Boston and it left them going into the draft with the #1 pick who do you honestly believe they would have taken Tatum or Isaac? No way in hell. Isaac was projected at 7!

It would take balls the size of grapefruits for Ainge to have used the #1 pick on Tatum or Isaac when it was basically unanimous that Fultz and Ball were the top 2 with a drop off to 3. He would have had to pick either Fultz or Ball with means the Lakers would have picked whoever was left after Fultz or Ball at 2.

I don't think Fultz and Ball on were on a tier by themselves. While that was the media narrative, everyone I respect had the top five or so on the same tier. Dennis Smith Jr. being the most naturally talented. I think the Lakers gave serious consideration to DSJ at #2. I do agree that Isaac was not a consideration at #1. If the Celtics kept #1, they very well could've taken Tatum, I think. Like Unbreakable said, I would've found out by making the Celtics keep that pick. If Fultz and Ball do go one-two as you suggest, I'd take DSJ and giggle all the way home. I would've also been happy with Tatum or Jackson. I'm okay with the trade. I didn't/don't agree with it.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Yikes this has been a disaster of an off-season for Boston. Brooklyn is still gonna be bad enough for #1 to be in play. Kyrie is pretty much equal to I.T. Gave away one of the best Wing contracts on the market as well. Zizic is trash but meh

[LloydFree]

I think Ainge's #1 target was getting #5 and #10 from Sacramento. The one player that fit their needs was Jonathan Isaac, then they also could've gone big at #10. I totally agree with Unbreakable that Boston was in a horrible position where none of the top four fit their needs. Next year is the draft for them. Chocked full of bigs. And I'm not happy we put them in a position to get two of the best. Still, I've come to terms with it.

Yup I agree but if we didn't trade with Boston and it left them going into the draft with the #1 pick who do you honestly believe they would have taken Tatum or Isaac? No way in hell. Isaac was projected at 7!

It would take balls the size of grapefruits for Ainge to have used the #1 pick on Tatum or Isaac when it was basically unanimous that Fultz and Ball were the top 2 with a drop off to 3. He would have had to pick either Fultz or Ball with means the Lakers would have picked whoever was left after Fultz or Ball at 2.

I don't think Fultz and Ball on were on a tier by themselves. While that was the media narrative, everyone I respect had the top five or so on the same tier. Dennis Smith Jr. being the most naturally talented. I think the Lakers gave serious consideration to DSJ at #2. I do agree that Isaac was not a consideration at #1. If the Celtics kept #1, they very well could've taken Tatum, I think. Like Unbreakable said, I would've found out by making the Celtics keep that pick. If Fultz and Ball do go one-two as you suggest, I'd take DSJ and giggle all the way home. I would've also been happy with Tatum or Jackson. I'm okay with the trade. I didn't/don't agree with it.

What the 76erd should have done, instead of paying double for a lesser talent.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I'm just glad I won't have to hear about that stiff Zizic anymore from the homers. Now if only that bum Yabusele can get traded too.

[Ericb5]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

It's not luck. He keeps putting himself in good position to get better players. Now when he flips IT and Crowder for Kyrie, he just needs one of the Lakers or Brooklyn picks to be a star, to complete his team.

This will be very interesting to see what the details of this trade end up being. If Ainge can get Irving for Thomas Crowder and a non BKN pick it will be a master stroke.

Thomas is an amazing player, but paying him what he is going to get next season was an iffy proposition regardless. I'm not saying he has negative value because of this, but it certainly hurts his value. Crowder is a nice player, but isn't really a difference maker, and picks are crap shoots.

Irving would improve the team immediately.

Considering the bind that the Cavs are in due to Irving's demand, this would be a pretty good haul if that pick ends up being a lottery pick.

If Lebron left next year, which is probably made more likely by a deal like this, then are the Cavs going to sign Thomas to a Max deal?

Interesting news today.


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[LloydFree]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

It's not luck. He keeps putting himself in good position to get better players. Now when he flips IT and Crowder for Kyrie, he just needs one of the Lakers or Brooklyn picks to be a star, to complete his team.

This will be very interesting to see what the details of this trade end up being. If Ainge can get Irving for Thomas Crowder and a non BKN pick it will be a master stroke.

Thomas is an amazing player, but paying him what he is going to get next season was an iffy proposition regardless. I'm not saying he has negative value because of this, but it certainly hurts his value. Crowder is a nice player, but isn't really a difference maker, and picks are crap shoots.

Irving would improve the team immediately.

Considering the bind that the Cavs are in due to Irving's demand, this would be a pretty good haul if that pick ends up being a lottery pick.

If Lebron left next year, which is probably made more likely by a deal like this, then are the Cavs going to sign Thomas to a Max deal?

Interesting news today.


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Welp. Ainge gave away the Brooklyn pick. That helps us a bit for the future. Kyrie is waaay better than IT, but he gave up a lot with that pick and Crowder's contract to get that upgrade.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Time for Fultz to grow up fast. He's going to go up against Kyrie on Boston in game 2. This makes me sick. Ainge keeps getting lucky and gets good players. I do not want to see Kyrie on Boston. Cleveland better try to hold out on that Brooklyn pick and Brown or NO DEAL! Make the demands unreasonable.

It's not luck. He keeps putting himself in good position to get better players. Now when he flips IT and Crowder for Kyrie, he just needs one of the Lakers or Brooklyn picks to be a star, to complete his team.

This will be very interesting to see what the details of this trade end up being. If Ainge can get Irving for Thomas Crowder and a non BKN pick it will be a master stroke.

Master stroke this is not how about an unprotected Brooklyn pick for the greatest GM in the league.

[BullyKing]

For those wondering, the Boston fans stages of rationalizing this has gone: 1: Brooklyn is going to be better this year; 2. Ainge must know IT's hip is worse than everyone thinks; 3. 2018 draft is weak.

[LongLiveHinkie]

For those wondering, the Boston fans stages of rationalizing this has gone: 1: Brooklyn is going to be better this year; 2. Ainge must know IT's hip is worse than everyone thinks; 3. 2018 draft is weak.

They're pros at it after the Fultz trade.

After a month of drooling over Fultz:

1. Fultz wouldn't fit with Thomas anyway
2. He must have had poor workouts. If Ainge doesn't want him, I trust Ainge!
3a. At least we'll be getting Jackson, who is the best talent in this draft anyway. Just please don't take Tatum.
3b. At least we'll be getting Tatum who is the best offensive talent in this draft anyway.