The Ben Simmons Megathread

[LordCovington33]

Ben Simmons is all the way up to 37th in the updated RPM rankings. Sixers and Rockets are the only two teams now with 3 players in the top 37.

Unless I am reading it wrongly, GS has 4 players in top 31.

[CoreyGallagher]

Ben Simmons is all the way up to 37th in the updated RPM rankings. Sixers and Rockets are the only two teams now with 3 players in the top 37.

Unless I am reading it wrongly, GS has 4 players in top 31.

Was just glossing over teams in the team tab and missed them. Uck, OKC does as well. Must have been more delirious than I thought last night lol, edited it.

[ProcessDoctor]

Ben Simmons is all the way up to 37th in the updated RPM rankings. Sixers and Rockets are the only two teams now with 3 players in the top 37.

Unless I am reading it wrongly, GS has 4 players in top 31.

Was just glossing over teams in the team tab and missed them. Uck, OKC does as well. Must have been more delirious than I thought last night lol, edited it.

Haha I was looking at the same thing too! Houston will probably have another in the top 40 when CP3 returns, and so will San Antonio with Kawhi. GSW, SAS, HOU, and OKC. Not bad company to be in!

[Ericb5]

As great as Giannis is(One of the most talented Players ever) we have yet to see if he can lead the Bucks to be a contender.. or hell even to a lets say 50 Win season. Ben on the other hand is already the main Reason your Team is 8-6 right now in his first year.. It took Giannis till his 4th year till he got his Team over .500

As insane as his stats are what impresses me most with Ben is that he seems to be the ultimate winner. He will do anything he can to win. Thats so incredibly rare.

Ben so far has shown one of the most impressive Characters i have seen from a 21yo in my 19 years of watching the NBA..

And people keep saying Giannis has better two way Potential because of his defense but so far Ben has actually been so much better on defense than advertised its not even funny. 1.9 Steals and 0.8 Blocks with a Top 10 (7th) in Devensive Box Plus Minus..(Ahead of guys like Draymond and guys like that..) Ben is by far the best Defensive Point Guard in the NBA so far. His DRPM of 1.49 is so much better than No 2 on the list at 0.95 ... Ben does this while running the Offense while still learning the Game.. What he can do on both ends in 2 or 3 years i cant even imagine..

Giannis was a lot younger when he came into the league so comparing him and Simmons in the first years is totally unfair.

However they are similar talents imo, and I have always thought that they will make a great rivalry someday, if not today.

Giannis is way ahead of Simmons today, but in two years it could be a different story. Neither of them can shoot, but if either one becomes good at that and the other one still can’t do it then we could get some separation.

If Simmons becomes a jump shooter before Giannis does then Simmons could pass him as an overall player.


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[crazy_me_87]

As great as Giannis is(One of the most talented Players ever) we have yet to see if he can lead the Bucks to be a contender.. or hell even to a lets say 50 Win season. Ben on the other hand is already the main Reason your Team is 8-6 right now in his first year.. It took Giannis till his 4th year till he got his Team over .500

As insane as his stats are what impresses me most with Ben is that he seems to be the ultimate winner. He will do anything he can to win. Thats so incredibly rare.

Ben so far has shown one of the most impressive Characters i have seen from a 21yo in my 19 years of watching the NBA..

And people keep saying Giannis has better two way Potential because of his defense but so far Ben has actually been so much better on defense than advertised its not even funny. 1.9 Steals and 0.8 Blocks with a Top 10 (7th) in Devensive Box Plus Minus..(Ahead of guys like Draymond and guys like that..) Ben is by far the best Defensive Point Guard in the NBA so far. His DRPM of 1.49 is so much better than No 2 on the list at 0.95 ... Ben does this while running the Offense while still learning the Game.. What he can do on both ends in 2 or 3 years i cant even imagine..

Ben isn’t a PG though. Those stats are deceptive. Ben is a point forward because PGs aren’t allowed to be over 6’6. Those are the rules. What are Ben’s stats compared to PFs? That’s his real position. He’s a point forward not point guard. Point forward. He’s in the wrong category. That’s why his stats looks good. He’s being compared to guys he’s 6 and 7 inches taller than. Lol. I’m not serious. I’m just joking. Just showing how silly that point guard vs point forward debate is lol.

Yeah like its even debatable since he is officially listed as your Starting Point GUARD... The same stuff is going on with "he isnt even a real rookie" in basically every General Board Topic where Ben is mentioned.. Well he is listed as a rookie so well duh... he is one.. its a waste of time to get riled up with things you cant change.. focus on the things you can..

[CoreyGallagher]

Giannis was a lot younger when he came into the league so comparing him and Simmons in the first years is totally unfair.

However they are similar talents imo, and I have always thought that they will make a great rivalry someday, if not today.

Giannis is way ahead of Simmons today, but in two years it could be a different story. Neither of them can shoot, but if either one becomes good at that and the other one still can’t do it then we could get some separation.

If Simmons becomes a jump shooter before Giannis does then Simmons could pass him as an overall player.


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Compare them at the same age and then just consider afterward that Giannis was a three year veteran.

[CoreyGallagher]

Yeah like its even debatable since he is officially listed as your Starting Point GUARD... The same stuff is going on with "he isnt even a real rookie" in basically every General Board Topic where Ben is mentioned.. Well he is listed as a rookie so well duh... he is one.. its a waste of time to get riled up with things you cant change.. focus on the things you can..

Believe he was being sarcastic, we all know that he’s a PG.

[crazy_me_87]

Spoiler:

As great as Giannis is(One of the most talented Players ever) we have yet to see if he can lead the Bucks to be a contender.. or hell even to a lets say 50 Win season. Ben on the other hand is already the main Reason your Team is 8-6 right now in his first year.. It took Giannis till his 4th year till he got his Team over .500

As insane as his stats are what impresses me most with Ben is that he seems to be the ultimate winner. He will do anything he can to win. Thats so incredibly rare.

Ben so far has shown one of the most impressive Characters i have seen from a 21yo in my 19 years of watching the NBA..

And people keep saying Giannis has better two way Potential because of his defense but so far Ben has actually been so much better on defense than advertised its not even funny. 1.9 Steals and 0.8 Blocks with a Top 10 (7th) in Devensive Box Plus Minus..(Ahead of guys like Draymond and guys like that..) Ben is by far the best Defensive Point Guard in the NBA so far. His DRPM of 1.49 is so much better than No 2 on the list at 0.95 ... Ben does this while running the Offense while still learning the Game.. What he can do on both ends in 2 or 3 years i cant even imagine..

Giannis was a lot younger when he came into the league so comparing him and Simmons in the first years is totally unfair.

However they are similar talents imo, and I have always thought that they will make a great rivalry someday, if not today.

Giannis is way ahead of Simmons today, but in two years it could be a different story. Neither of them can shoot, but if either one becomes good at that and the other one still can’t do it then we could get some separation.

If Simmons becomes a jump shooter before Giannis does then Simmons could pass him as an overall player.


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Valid argument but still.. Then again in his Age 21 Season Giannis was doing 17/7/4 while the Bucks where 33-49 and i will argue anybody that Bens age 21 Season so far considering Team Sucsess and Indivudual Stats have been better than Giannis at 21.

Giannis has developed into one of the scariest Players maybe of all Time.. and i was one of his stans before the Draft.. i just saw something special in him.. so i adore him. Yet i think Ben is alot more NBA Ready than Giannis at the same Age. Physically and Mentally.

Overall you cant really go wrong with Ben or Giannis... those two are the future of the NBA and both have at least the chance to become true Greats(Top 10 All Time) The NBA is in amazing hands

[crazy_me_87]

Yeah like its even debatable since he is officially listed as your Starting Point GUARD... The same stuff is going on with "he isnt even a real rookie" in basically every General Board Topic where Ben is mentioned.. Well he is listed as a rookie so well duh... he is one.. its a waste of time to get riled up with things you cant change.. focus on the things you can..

Believe he was being sarcastic, we all know that he’s a PG, we watch him play it and defend it every game.

I know and i was agreeing with his Point that the whole Argument is stupid. Maybe i should have made that clearer

[Ericb5]

Spoiler:

As great as Giannis is(One of the most talented Players ever) we have yet to see if he can lead the Bucks to be a contender.. or hell even to a lets say 50 Win season. Ben on the other hand is already the main Reason your Team is 8-6 right now in his first year.. It took Giannis till his 4th year till he got his Team over .500

As insane as his stats are what impresses me most with Ben is that he seems to be the ultimate winner. He will do anything he can to win. Thats so incredibly rare.

Ben so far has shown one of the most impressive Characters i have seen from a 21yo in my 19 years of watching the NBA..

And people keep saying Giannis has better two way Potential because of his defense but so far Ben has actually been so much better on defense than advertised its not even funny. 1.9 Steals and 0.8 Blocks with a Top 10 (7th) in Devensive Box Plus Minus..(Ahead of guys like Draymond and guys like that..) Ben is by far the best Defensive Point Guard in the NBA so far. His DRPM of 1.49 is so much better than No 2 on the list at 0.95 ... Ben does this while running the Offense while still learning the Game.. What he can do on both ends in 2 or 3 years i cant even imagine..

Giannis was a lot younger when he came into the league so comparing him and Simmons in the first years is totally unfair.

However they are similar talents imo, and I have always thought that they will make a great rivalry someday, if not today.

Giannis is way ahead of Simmons today, but in two years it could be a different story. Neither of them can shoot, but if either one becomes good at that and the other one still can’t do it then we could get some separation.

If Simmons becomes a jump shooter before Giannis does then Simmons could pass him as an overall player.


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Valid argument but still.. Then again in his Age 21 Season Giannis was doing 17/7/4 while the Bucks where 33-49 and i will argue anybody that Bens age 21 Season so far considering Team Sucsess and Indivudual Stats have been better than Giannis at 21.

Giannis has developed into one of the scariest Players maybe of all Time.. and i was one of his stans before the Draft.. i just saw something special in him.. so i adore him. Yet i think Ben is alot more NBA Ready than Giannis at the same Age. Physically and Mentally.

Overall you cant really go wrong with Ben or Giannis... those two are the future of the NBA and both have at least the chance to become true Greats(Top 10 All Time) The NBA is in amazing hands

I think Simmons has one huge advantage over Giannis and that is that he plays with Embiid.
Embiid will be the primary reason if the Sixers have a better record this year than the Bucks.


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[crazy_me_87]

Spoiler:

Giannis was a lot younger when he came into the league so comparing him and Simmons in the first years is totally unfair.

However they are similar talents imo, and I have always thought that they will make a great rivalry someday, if not today.

Giannis is way ahead of Simmons today, but in two years it could be a different story. Neither of them can shoot, but if either one becomes good at that and the other one still can’t do it then we could get some separation.

If Simmons becomes a jump shooter before Giannis does then Simmons could pass him as an overall player.


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Valid argument but still.. Then again in his Age 21 Season Giannis was doing 17/7/4 while the Bucks where 33-49 and i will argue anybody that Bens age 21 Season so far considering Team Sucsess and Indivudual Stats have been better than Giannis at 21.

Giannis has developed into one of the scariest Players maybe of all Time.. and i was one of his stans before the Draft.. i just saw something special in him.. so i adore him. Yet i think Ben is alot more NBA Ready than Giannis at the same Age. Physically and Mentally.

Overall you cant really go wrong with Ben or Giannis... those two are the future of the NBA and both have at least the chance to become true Greats(Top 10 All Time) The NBA is in amazing hands

I think Simmons has one huge advantage over Giannis and that is that he plays with Embiid.
Embiid will be the primary reason if the Sixers have a better record this year than the Bucks.


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Its not only Joel allthough he is a huge part. Covington,Saric,Redick and even guys like TJ, Amir and Lawawu all bring valuable stuff to the table. Then once Fultz gets healthy the Sixers are the most talented Team in the NBA outside of GSW(im talking only "talent" here).

[ppedro123]

Simmons will be a top 10 player by year 3.

[nurseryc]

Simmons will be a top 10 player by year 3.

And league mvp by year 5

[crazy_me_87]

Simmons will be a top 10 player by year 3.

And league mvp by year 5

Maybe even sooner. I think the Sixers can win 50 Games next year and after that anything is Possible if Ben inches closer to his Potential wich is insane. I think year 3 or 4 are not impossible.

[crazy_me_87]

Tonight against GSW everybody could clearly see that Ben is the future of the NBA... even GSW simply has no answer to Ben.. KD? too thin.. Steph and Klay? forget it way too small.. Iggy? too small, too slow. Draymond? too slow too..

[Ericb5]

Simmons will be a top 10 player by year 3.

And league mvp by year 5

Maybe even sooner. I think the Sixers can win 50 Games next year and after that anything is Possible if Ben inches closer to his Potential wich is insane. I think year 3 or 4 are not impossible.

I think the Sixers win 50 next year too, but it will be very hard for Simmons to win MVP when he has a more valuable player on his own team.

Healthy Embiid > Healthy Simmons


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[ppedro123]

And league mvp by year 5

Maybe even sooner. I think the Sixers can win 50 Games next year and after that anything is Possible if Ben inches closer to his Potential wich is insane. I think year 3 or 4 are not impossible.

I think the Sixers win 50 next year too, but it will be very hard for Simmons to win MVP when he has a more valuable player on his own team.

Healthy Embiid > Healthy Simmons


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If LeBron joins the 76ers, he's the most valuable player on the team haha

[crazy_me_87]

And league mvp by year 5

Maybe even sooner. I think the Sixers can win 50 Games next year and after that anything is Possible if Ben inches closer to his Potential wich is insane. I think year 3 or 4 are not impossible.

I think the Sixers win 50 next year too, but it will be very hard for Simmons to win MVP when he has a more valuable player on his own team.

Healthy Embiid > Healthy Simmons


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The thing with Embiid is, to win MVP he needs to play 75 or more Games around 34-36 Minutes and average 28/11/4/3 and i honestly know if he will ever be able to do that.. just on stamina and injury Risk alone. He obviously has the talent of course.

I think Ben averaging something like(he is hard to Predict) 23/9/12(basically a better rebounding Magic) with over 2 steals and a Block or 26/9/9(Better healthy Grant Hill) multiple years is much more likely.

I really hope Joel proves me wrong but he will be a huge unknown until he proves he can handle a Full Season( let alone multiple Seasons..) at lets say 70 Games + 20 Playoff Games at over 30 Minutes per Game..

I recently watched a Video on why Ben is Phillys most Important Player and the guy made a valid Point: Joel has never! finished a Season.. Not in College.. then he missed his first 2 Full Years.. only plays 31 Games in his 3rd Year.. He already has sat out 2 Games.. he is on pace to play only 70 Games right now.. and it probably will be even less because there are more back to backs coming up than there where in the first 15 Games.

Joel playing 50-65 Games a year for the rest of his Career on 30-32 Minutes is sadly much more likely than Joel at 80 Games and 35+ Minutes..again.. i really hope i am wrong and will be glad to be!

But Joels long term healthy just worries me. Huge Big Men with chronic leg Issues sadly dont have a great track record of Playing many Games and minutes..

[Sasashi]

simmons' handle and quickness is much better than I expected....I didn't think he would be this quick and explosive. As is stands right now, he's a perennial all star. Improve his shooting to average....my goodness, he will kill people guarding him.

If Fultz fulfills his potential ( 18-21 ppg, good 3 pt shooter and decent defense).....they can really start to seriously compete as soon as next year.

Talent alone, both Embiid and Simmons have EXCEEDED expectations and that to me is crazy because they were both very highly rated pre-draft. But they turned out even better. Imagine if Fultz also exceeds expectations.

[Sixerscan]

Maybe even sooner. I think the Sixers can win 50 Games next year and after that anything is Possible if Ben inches closer to his Potential wich is insane. I think year 3 or 4 are not impossible.

I think the Sixers win 50 next year too, but it will be very hard for Simmons to win MVP when he has a more valuable player on his own team.

Healthy Embiid > Healthy Simmons


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The thing with Embiid is, to win MVP he needs to play 75 or more Games around 34-36 Minutes and average 28/11/4/3 and i honestly know if he will ever be able to do that.. just on stamina and injury Risk alone. He obviously has the talent of course.

I think Ben averaging something like(he is hard to Predict) 23/9/12(basically a better rebounding Magic) with over 2 steals and a Block or 26/9/9(Better healthy Grant Hill) multiple years is much more likely.

I really hope Joel proves me wrong but he will be a huge unknown until he proves he can handle a Full Season( let alone multiple Seasons..) at lets say 70 Games + 20 Playoff Games at over 30 Minutes per Game..

I recently watched a Video on why Ben is Phillys most Important Player and the guy made a valid Point: Joel has never! finished a Season.. Not in College.. then he missed his first 2 Full Years.. only plays 31 Games in his 3rd Year.. He already has sat out 2 Games.. he is on pace to play only 70 Games right now.. and it probably will be even less because there are more back to backs coming up than there where in the first 15 Games.

Joel playing 50-65 Games a year for the rest of his Career on 30-32 Minutes is sadly much more likely than Joel at 80 Games and 35+ Minutes..again.. i really hope i am wrong and will be glad to be!

But Joels long term healthy just worries me. Huge Big Men with chronic leg Issues sadly dont have a great track record of Playing many Games and minutes..

Less concerned with how many regular season games Embiid plays than him being available for the playoffs.