Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[papajoe]

If we lose either Jimmy or Tobias, it's a flat out disaster. If are forced to MAX Tobias to keep him, it's an instant terrible contract.

That's why the Tobias trade was stupid to begin with. They should have known we'd be over a barrel this summer and going forward. We'd be much better off with our picks and Shamet back.

The number 1 way to ruin your future is to pay huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them. Like Tobias.

Jerry West must have been laughing so hard at how he fleeced us for a guy he was going to let walk anyway.

I think Tobias will be super easy to trade though, he has value.

[cej11]

If we lose either Jimmy or Tobias, it's a flat out disaster. If are forced to MAX Tobias to keep him, it's an instant terrible contract.

That's why the Tobias trade was stupid to begin with. They should have known we'd be over a barrel this summer and going forward. We'd be much better off with our picks and Shamet back.

The number 1 way to ruin your future is to pay huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them. Like Tobias.

Jerry West must have been laughing so hard at how he fleeced us for a guy he was going to let walk anyway.

If the Sixers didn't trade for Tobias we're probably in the 4 vs 5 matchup with the Pacers. We probably would've won that in 5 or 6 games and we would've lost to Milwaukee in 5 or 6. The Tobias trade was necessary to compete with Toronto, Milwaukee and Boston.

[Arsenal]

If we lose either Jimmy or Tobias, it's a flat out disaster. If are forced to MAX Tobias to keep him, it's an instant terrible contract.

That's why the Tobias trade was stupid to begin with. They should have known we'd be over a barrel this summer and going forward. We'd be much better off with our picks and Shamet back.

The number 1 way to ruin your future is to pay huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them. Like Tobias.

Jerry West must have been laughing so hard at how he fleeced us for a guy he was going to let walk anyway.

If the Sixers didn't trade for Tobias we're probably in the 4 vs 5 matchup with the Pacers. We probably would've won that in 5 or 6 games and we would've lost to Milwaukee in 5 or 6. The Tobias trade was necessary to compete with Toronto, Milwaukee and Boston.

No. We finished 2 games ahead of Boston while absolutely not caring at all down the stretch because we were so far ahead of them. We would have been the 3rd seed either way. We would have beaten the Nets in 5 or 6 either way. And we would have lost to TOR just like we did.

But we'd have a much better cap / assets situation. Now we're about to get stuck with an instant bad contract and depleted assets to boot.

[Arsenal]

If we lose either Jimmy or Tobias, it's a flat out disaster. If are forced to MAX Tobias to keep him, it's an instant terrible contract.

That's why the Tobias trade was stupid to begin with. They should have known we'd be over a barrel this summer and going forward. We'd be much better off with our picks and Shamet back.

The number 1 way to ruin your future is to pay huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them. Like Tobias.

Jerry West must have been laughing so hard at how he fleeced us for a guy he was going to let walk anyway.

I think Tobias will be super easy to trade though, he has value.

I don't think so. No team in their right mind will want him on a MAX deal paying $32M the 1st year and going up from there. He's just not that good. He'll be overpaid by around $10M per year.

[kingofthecourt67]

If we lose either Jimmy or Tobias, it's a flat out disaster. If are forced to MAX Tobias to keep him, it's an instant terrible contract.

That's why the Tobias trade was stupid to begin with. They should have known we'd be over a barrel this summer and going forward. We'd be much better off with our picks and Shamet back.

The number 1 way to ruin your future is to pay huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them. Like Tobias.

Jerry West must have been laughing so hard at how he fleeced us for a guy he was going to let walk anyway.

If the Sixers didn't trade for Tobias we're probably in the 4 vs 5 matchup with the Pacers. We probably would've won that in 5 or 6 games and we would've lost to Milwaukee in 5 or 6. The Tobias trade was necessary to compete with Toronto, Milwaukee and Boston.

No. We finished 2 games ahead of Boston while absolutely not caring at all down the stretch because we were so far ahead of them. We would have been the 3rd seed either way. We would have beaten the Nets in 5 or 6 either way. And we would have lost to TOR just like we did.

But we'd have a much better cap / assets situation. Now we're about to get stuck with an instant bad contract and depleted assets to boot.

We would still be playing Wilson Chandler without that trade. I agree we probably paid too heavy a price (i.e. we should have been able to keep Shamet), but going and getting him was absolutely the right move.

[Arsenal]

If the Sixers didn't trade for Tobias we're probably in the 4 vs 5 matchup with the Pacers. We probably would've won that in 5 or 6 games and we would've lost to Milwaukee in 5 or 6. The Tobias trade was necessary to compete with Toronto, Milwaukee and Boston.

No. We finished 2 games ahead of Boston while absolutely not caring at all down the stretch because we were so far ahead of them. We would have been the 3rd seed either way. We would have beaten the Nets in 5 or 6 either way. And we would have lost to TOR just like we did.

But we'd have a much better cap / assets situation. Now we're about to get stuck with an instant bad contract and depleted assets to boot.

We would still be playing Wilson Chandler without that trade. I agree we probably paid too heavy a price (i.e. we should have been able to keep Shamet), but going and getting him was absolutely the right move.

If we paid too heavy a price then by definition it was not the right move. The price is factored into any move.

Landry Shamet by himself will be worth more than Harris next year. Shamet will be a majorly positive value contract while Harris will be a majorly negative value contract.

[kingofthecourt67]

No. We finished 2 games ahead of Boston while absolutely not caring at all down the stretch because we were so far ahead of them. We would have been the 3rd seed either way. We would have beaten the Nets in 5 or 6 either way. And we would have lost to TOR just like we did.

But we'd have a much better cap / assets situation. Now we're about to get stuck with an instant bad contract and depleted assets to boot.

We would still be playing Wilson Chandler without that trade. I agree we probably paid too heavy a price (i.e. we should have been able to keep Shamet), but going and getting him was absolutely the right move.

If we paid too heavy a price then by definition it was not the right move. The price is factored into any move.

Landry Shamet by himself will be worth more than Harris next year. Shamet will be a majorly positive value contract while Harris will be a majorly negative value contract.

You can overpay and still have made a net positive move.

[Arsenal]

We would still be playing Wilson Chandler without that trade. I agree we probably paid too heavy a price (i.e. we should have been able to keep Shamet), but going and getting him was absolutely the right move.

If we paid too heavy a price then by definition it was not the right move. The price is factored into any move.

Landry Shamet by himself will be worth more than Harris next year. Shamet will be a majorly positive value contract while Harris will be a majorly negative value contract.

You can overpay and still have made a net positive move.

Overpayment is a problem because of opportunity cost. We'd be in better shape now if we hadn't done the deal, with Shamet and the assets and cap space still in our pocket.

But that ship has sailed so we'll have to live with it.

[Kobblehead]

Tobias Harris is a way better running mate for Joel Embiid than Ben Simmons or Jimmy Butler.

Who cares if we overpay for him? He's 26, low maintenance personality, and can score from every level.

[kingofthecourt67]

If we paid too heavy a price then by definition it was not the right move. The price is factored into any move.

Landry Shamet by himself will be worth more than Harris next year. Shamet will be a majorly positive value contract while Harris will be a majorly negative value contract.

You can overpay and still have made a net positive move.

Overpayment is a problem because of opportunity cost. We'd be in better shape now if we hadn't done the deal, with Shamet and the assets and cap space still in our pocket.

But that ship has sailed so we'll have to live with it.

Opportunity cost of waiting till the offseason was a a legitimate at an NBA title. We aren't real contenders without that trade. And if we're not that close, we don't make as strong of a case to Jimmy. Also this cap space was never going to attract a player close to Tobias' caliber.

We have to overpay him...sure. But, with Embiid on a max, Simmons on a max soon, and trying to retain Jimmy, we're bound to be an over the cap team regardless. Overpaying a mid-20s basketball player who has improved every year in the league isn't the worst thing.

[Arsenal]

Tobias Harris is a way better running mate for Joel Embiid than Ben Simmons or Jimmy Butler.

Who cares if we overpay for him? He's 26, low maintenance personality, and can score from every level.

You've become completely obsessed with "3 level scoring" to the exclusion of everything else.

Tobias Harris is a good player, but he's not an all-star, he's not elite and he's mediocre on the defensive end. He's not even close to being worth $32M/yr and up which he'll get on his next contract.

Every dollar paid to him above his value is a dollar not available elsewhere to help the team.

[phifans]

OK Indiana got 10m TJ Warren for some fresh air and we would pay 30+million to keep Tobi. Bravo !

[NoDopeOnSundays]

OK Indiana got 10m TJ Warren for some fresh air and we would pay 30+million to keep Tobi. Bravo !

He missed 40 games, is often injured and is only a year younger than Harris.

[youngcrev]

OK Indiana got 10m TJ Warren for some fresh air and we would pay 30+million to keep Tobi. Bravo !

I don't really see the comparison. Warren is nowhere near as good as Harris.

[phifans]

OK Indiana got 10m TJ Warren for some fresh air and we would pay 30+million to keep Tobi. Bravo !

I don't really see the comparison. Warren is nowhere near as good as Harris.

TJ is who Tobi was two years ago (a little better) and will be as good as Tobi next season leaving Phenix for Indiana.

And trust me I'm not saying TJ is good Im just saying the type of the player like Tobi and TJ (wing scorer who provide very little else) has low value around the league.

[the_process]

So I figure this is where they’ll be starting from:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=1917023905d0c5576c956b801588751

[FlyingArrow]

Tobias Harris is a way better running mate for Joel Embiid than Ben Simmons or Jimmy Butler.

Who cares if we overpay for him? He's 26, low maintenance personality, and can score from every level.

You've become completely obsessed with "3 level scoring" to the exclusion of everything else.

Tobias Harris is a good player, but he's not an all-star, he's not elite and he's mediocre on the defensive end. He's not even close to being worth $32M/yr and up which he'll get on his next contract.

Every dollar paid to him above his value is a dollar not available elsewhere to help the team.

False. We will be over the cap with our without him. If we only paid him his true value we'd pay less luxury tax and have no more money for other players.

[FlyingArrow]

So I figure this is where they’ll be starting from:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=1917023905d0c5576c956b801588751

That puts us in a pretty bad spot. Need 4 more players for under 8M. Basically all minimums.

TJ needs to get a minimum contract. Mike Scott at 4 or 4.5. And JJ on a 4 or 5 year deal. That's the only way we can sign him and have enough for a decent center and PG.

[FlyingArrow]

So I figure this is where they’ll be starting from:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=1917023905d0c5576c956b801588751

That puts us in a pretty bad spot. Need 4 more players for under 8M. Basically all minimums.

TJ needs to get a minimum contract. Mike Scott at 4 or 4.5. And JJ on a 4 or 5 year deal. That's the only way we can sign him and have enough for a decent center and PG.

Either that or cross the apron and use the smaller MLE. Actually might as well if we pay our own free agents that much. Because it doesn't leave enough room below the apron to use the higher MLE anyway.

[Mik317]

i feel like only one of Tobias or Jimmy returns and JJ might be gone too.

just in a general negative state of mind right now lol.