2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Kobblehead]

if Cooper is on the board at 28 and we sold our pick

gonna be that guy all year yall

(unless he sucks then...well...uh....look over there..)

MFer had a 52% assist rate this year. Generational passer. Elite shotcreator. Free throw percentage to suggest he can become a shooter in time. Cooper will make so many GMs looks foolish.

[Kobblehead]

Bouknight
- bad shooting numbers
- horrible WARP
- probably this year’s fool’s gold

I don't like Bouknight. Mediocre creator, bad defender, jumper isn't ready.

[Kobblehead]

BTW, have you guys heard that Grizzlies did the trade to move up just to get Franz Wagner?

I don't like it. It sends the signal that they're building the whole show around Morant instead of trying to find a costar for him.

[DCasey91]

Anyone here saw Giannis’ brother, Alex, play?

Read on Twitter

One usually brings two. Giannis has many brothers. I’m sure one will actually hit and be a good NBA player.

Is he the youngest? That may be the answer scouts are looking for. If he is then it’s an auto draft. That bloodline has serious untapped potential.

If he has a Giannis mental makeup or close to it then he’s very very draftable.

[DCasey91]

Todd/Onu/Filip 2nd round

28th and Ben gonesky

Solid if not unspectacular. Just depends on what comes back on the Ben trade package. I’m sure Milton or another asset will be also included.

[76ciology]

Bouknight
- bad shooting numbers
- horrible WARP
- probably this year’s fool’s gold

I don't like Bouknight. Mediocre creator, bad defender, jumper isn't ready.

Yeah i think i have to start shorting this bouknight stock

[76ciology]

hürd memphis moved up for josh giddey

Good WARP numbers.

U from europe stormi?

Hollinger is going to get his squad killed by favoring heavily on numbers. That was the reason he drafted JJ that high over Doncic and Trae.

Hollinger doesn't work there anymore.

But maybe he left his excel file

[Negrodamus]

Bouknight's 2pt FG%, FT%, and tape has been enough for me to be high on him. Aggressive like Westbrook. I think the shot will develop and he'll be a stud scorer.

I'm actually surprised the Cam Thomas contingency doesn't care for Bouknight. Similar high usage scorer except Bouknight actually played defense and is an elite athlete.

[76ciology]

A lot of pushing for Sengun going on right now. Someone’s paying the media to push him and hoping some sucker will draft him high

[76ciology]

Sorry double post

[76ciology]

Bouknight's 2pt FG%, FT%, and tape has been enough for me to be high on him. Aggressive like Westbrook. I think the shot will develop and he'll be a stud scorer.

I'm actually surprised the Cam Thomas contingency doesn't care for Bouknight. Similar high usage scorer except Bouknight actually played defense and is an elite athlete.

My numbers say Bouknight is nowhere as good as Cam Thomas as an offensive player, this is aside from already being this good at his age. This is probably why multiple teams are looking to draft him in the top 10.

Scoring wise .55 TS% for Cam and .54 TS% for Bouk, while Cam is having higher raw scoring numbers and is younger. I say Cam has a higher upside to be a scorer that is aside from having a BIG gap on having better offensive numbers.

Also
Cam thomas .5 Warp (37th) not good
Bouknight - -.3 Warp (61st) really bad

Im not saying Cam is better or will be better than Bouk. I just think Cam is a better bet than Bouk

I could be wrong. Player dev has a lot of variance.

[Negrodamus]

Cam has a 6th man scorer upside. He is exploitable on defense and doesn’t provide and distribution qualities. He’s Clarkson/ Terrence Ross. Bouknight is a Spencer Dinwiddie upside, someone you can start and be more all around player.

So comparing prospects purely on the absolute best stats one produces (Cam’s scoring) doesn’t make sense to me.

[76ciology]

Cam has a 6th man scorer upside. He is exploitable on defense and doesn’t provide and distribution qualities. He’s Clarkson/ Terrence Ross. Bouknight is a Spencer Dinwiddie upside, someone you can start and be more all around player.

So comparing prospects purely on the absolute best stats one produces (Cam’s scoring) doesn’t make sense to me.

Yup possible.

Just saying Cam Thomas is younger and have better numbers.

Possible Bouknight can be the better player no one can see the future.

[76ciology]

Btw Hyland got a bump with his WARP numbers.

[Negrodamus]

Cam has a 6th man scorer upside. He is exploitable on defense and doesn’t provide and distribution qualities. He’s Clarkson/ Terrence Ross. Bouknight is a Spencer Dinwiddie upside, someone you can start and be more all around player.

So comparing prospects purely on the absolute best stats one produces (Cam’s scoring) doesn’t make sense to me.

Yup possible.

Just saying Cam Thomas is younger and have better numbers.

Possible Bouknight can be the better player no one can see the future.

*better jump shooting numbers.

Everything else is worse. Just feel like that’s an important distinction.

[76ciology]

Mike Schmitz:
Kings have a soft promise at Wagner. He thinks Grizzlies is looking to draft at 7th to draft Wagner

[76ciology]

Cam has a 6th man scorer upside. He is exploitable on defense and doesn’t provide and distribution qualities. He’s Clarkson/ Terrence Ross. Bouknight is a Spencer Dinwiddie upside, someone you can start and be more all around player.

So comparing prospects purely on the absolute best stats one produces (Cam’s scoring) doesn’t make sense to me.

Yup possible.

Just saying Cam Thomas is younger and have better numbers.

Possible Bouknight can be the better player no one can see the future.

*better jump shooting numbers.

Everything else is worse. Just feel like that’s an important distinction.

Nope not just shooting numbers, but scoring numbers and overall numbers. Their WARP numbers is the most telling.

He’s also younger and already is a better scorer.

Then again.. i dont have a crystal ball to say player A will be better. Im just saying for me Cam Thomas is the better bet than Bouknight. And I may have a different metrics than yours. I also may have wrong or inferior data. And its ok

[Negrodamus]

I think one of the most telling stats for Cam is that he takes 18% of his shots at the rim. Not many, if any, great scorers currently in the league went to the rim that seldom in their college years. And my stats include rebounds, steals, defense, distribution, % assisted 3s, etc.

I'm fine with the argument that Cam is a better prospect, there's merit in that argument. I simply disagree that "overall numbers" are better with Cam. If WARP is the all encompassing "overall numbers" then sure, but I don't view prospects in that lens.

[Negrodamus]

Not to be a UK stan, but Cam Thomas actually reminds me of a higher volume version of Doron Lamb:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/doron-lamb-1.html

Great scorer, mediocre athlete, not much distribution, similar sized. Both with great FTr and 3PAr, but just didn't get to the rim much. I think Cam being a rich mans Doron Lamb (if he didn't have to play within the confines of Calipari's star teams) feels right in my mind.

[Negrodamus]

God I hope we take McBride tomorrow. People will look back on him and question why he was 20+ if he falls beyond that.

Having Thybulle and McBride on the court at the same time will be smothering since they are both incredible at playing the lanes. Additionally, McBride was phenomenal at C&S threes while also being pretty elite at attack the close out. He's perfect with Embiid.

I know some were comparing him to Marcus Smart, but he's a much better shooter than Smart ever was. If Smart were able to hit open jumpers along with bullying PGs in the paint and play all NBA defense, he'd be an all star every year.