2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft

Mik317 · Post #1221 » by **Mik317** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:53 pm

Jabari is a very safe pick and gives each of the top 3 exactly what they need. Shooting. He is an elite shooting prospect with size and the ability to move and guard in space. He can't create for **** tho lol. The Harrison Barnes comp in regards to that is valid IMO. BUT Barnes was older coming out, smaller and not the shooter..so there is that.

Chet scare the **** out of me if I was a GM tho. I actually don't worry too much about his body. Embiid, Jokic, and sometimes Kat are the only real threats to dominate him....and they dominate everyone lol and most of the teams that take Chet won't have to worry about that for a few seasons anyway. People had the same concerns w/ Mobley and he did fine. Duren should have broken Chet in half...instead got into Foul trouble IIRC.... I suspect it will be the same. He will need to learn the art of the flop lol. My concern is if he can actually guard in space or not. Hard to tell in college ball with the zone and shortened lines...but Jalen Williams had him on skates for example. I am also of the mindset that you need your top 3-5 pick to be good on both ends and everyone glosses over Chet's offense too much for me. In every game I watched he looked servicable at best and the jumper was just ok. Stats say otherwise but they played in a weaker conference, no?

Again I am glad the fate of my franchise isn't in the balance of picking at the top of this specific draft.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1222 » by **Jailblazers7** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:14 pm

I watched quite a few Gonzaga games and the offense didn’t really feature him a ton due to their talent level and it being Timme’s team. But he’s a super smart player, good finisher, and I think his midrange game flourishes in a more open NBA game. I think Chet gives you a super high ceiling and a ton of roster construction flexibility because of his versatility on both offense and defense. He’s the clear #1 imo but I might just be discounting Paolo & Jabari’s offense ceilings.

Madd Squabbles · Post #1223 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:18 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Jaden Hardy is dropping on my board because he’s opening his mouth too much about his private workout with the Sixers. Just STFU and fall to us, dude.

Let me get this straight. You are dropping a prospect because when questioned he answers that he has worked out for the Sixers. Not because he is injured. Not because he has performed poorly in the workout. Not because of testing or measurements but because he has shared to people that he has worked out for the Sixers?

Negrodamus · Post #1224 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:20 pm

Madd Squabbles wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Jaden Hardy is dropping on my board because he’s opening his mouth too much about his private workout with the Sixers. Just STFU and fall to us, dude.

Let me get this straight. You are dropping a prospect because when questioned he answers that he has worked out for the Sixers. Not because he is injured. Not because he has performed poorly in the workout. Not because of testing or measurements but because he has shared to people that he has worked out for the Sixers?

I'm joking, my dude. I want Hardy, so I'd rather everyone plays things closer to the vest.

Madd Squabbles · Post #1225 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:24 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Jaden Hardy is dropping on my board because he’s opening his mouth too much about his private workout with the Sixers. Just STFU and fall to us, dude.

Let me get this straight. You are dropping a prospect because when questioned he answers that he has worked out for the Sixers. Not because he is injured. Not because he has performed poorly in the workout. Not because of testing or measurements but because he has shared to people that he has worked out for the Sixers?

I'm joking, my dude. I want Hardy, so I'd rather everyone plays things closer to the vest.

Gotcha!

Madd Squabbles · Post #1226 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:25 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Madd Squabbles wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Jaden Hardy is dropping on my board because he’s opening his mouth too much about his private workout with the Sixers. Just STFU and fall to us, dude.

Let me get this straight. You are dropping a prospect because when questioned he answers that he has worked out for the Sixers. Not because he is injured. Not because he has performed poorly in the workout. Not because of testing or measurements but because he has shared to people that he has worked out for the Sixers?

I'm joking, my dude. I want Hardy, so I'd rather everyone plays things closer to the vest.

These are kids. It's extremely hard to get a teenager to not tell anyone about working out for an NBA team. I remember when I was that age I couldn't keep anything of importance to myself.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1227 » by **Jailblazers7** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:51 pm

My paranoid brain does have me wondering if Morey is leaking this so hard to the media in some big brain trade scheme. It just seems a little out of character for him to have our draft plan see so obvious. Maybe a team like the Rockets rates him really highly and he’s trying to swing a Martin + 26 deal so they can move up.

stormi · Post #1228 » by **stormi** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:00 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:My paranoid brain does have me wondering if Morey is leaking this so hard to the media in some big brain trade scheme. It just seems a little out of character for him to have our draft plan see so obvious. Maybe a team like the Rockets rates him really highly and he’s trying to swing a Martin + 26 deal so they can move up.

I think he's for sure keeping his options open.

And also trying to remain in a somewhat leveraged position. Franchises with old ass vets that I'm sure Morey would be interested in like Eric Gordon will be holding him hostage for #23, he has to be doing at least a little bit of posture to indicate that he's fine and well using it to draft.

Black Mage · Post #1229 » by **Black Mage** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:26 pm

What terrifies me, is the thought that perhaps Morey knows he has a trade lined up that involves Maxey so he needs to draft a replacement guard.

I didn't see much to hardy when I checked him out, guess I'll go back and try to figure out what I missed.

On a side note: what do folks think of this trade?

Sixers ship Tobias & Green to Pacers. Pacers send Brogdon to Sixers and Turner to Hornets. Hornets send Oubre and PJ Washington to Philly. Picks to be included in some fashion.

mjkvol · Post #1230 » by **mjkvol** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:11 pm

Black Mage wrote:Sixers ship Tobias & Green to Pacers. Pacers send Brogdon to Sixers and Turner to Hornets. Hornets send Oubre and PJ Washington to Philly. Picks to be included in some fashion.

Not a fan of Oubre, but maybe the light goes on for him here. Nonetheless, get it done.

Kobblehead · Post #1231 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:45 pm

Call me crazy, because I don't think he has nearly as much upside, but I would still rather have Wendell Moore over Jaden Hardy.

Kobblehead · Post #1232 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:47 pm

mjkvol wrote:
Black Mage wrote:Sixers ship Tobias & Green to Pacers. Pacers send Brogdon to Sixers and Turner to Hornets. Hornets send Oubre and PJ Washington to Philly. Picks to be included in some fashion.

Not a fan of Oubre, but maybe the light goes on for him here. Nonetheless, get it done.

The only lights that will ever come on for Oubre are of the strobe variety. He only knows three things. Models, substances, clubs.

Black Mage · Post #1233 » by **Black Mage** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Call me crazy, because I don't think he has nearly as much upside, but I would still rather have Wendell Moore over Jaden Hardy.

Not crazy. Watching more of Hardy and I just don't see it. He cant convert at the rim and the attempts there are nightmarish, most not having a prayer of going in. He percentages from the field are meh to below meh. I don't see future "shooter" at all.

On the PNR all I saw was him jacking shots, he never looked for the roll man. He used the pick for one purpose, to get his. That isn't going to sit well with Joel.

The best thing going for him is his handle, but he lacks any kind of first step or burst to even remotely make it a weapon. In the pro's defenders are going to learn to just sit on him while he dances around because they won't fear him blowing by. Even if he does, he has no burst vertically so they can just trail for the from behind blocks.

Hardy is not it.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1234 » by **Jailblazers7** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:09 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Call me crazy, because I don't think he has nearly as much upside, but I would still rather have Wendell Moore over Jaden Hardy.

I agree with you because I think Wendell will adjust to the NBA game and find a role pretty quickly, which is at a premium for us in this title window.

I also think Wendell Moore ceiling is higher than he’s been given credit for. He can create, his jumper has improved every year, he’s a stout wing defender, etc. If he takes a leap in any one area offensively, his “ceiling” conversation changes pretty quickly.

His pattern of improvement at Duke is something I value a ton too because it shows that he’s effectively working on his game. Work ethic is probably the hardest thing to gauge and having a proven track record of that is a super positive indicator.

stormi · Post #1235 » by **stormi** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:15 pm

Wendell is cold. Elite at the rim, elite measurables, transferable shooting stroke, 20% assist rate.

Day 1 starter.

Black Mage · Post #1236 » by **Black Mage** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:15 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Call me crazy, because I don't think he has nearly as much upside, but I would still rather have Wendell Moore over Jaden Hardy.

I agree with you because I think Wendell will adjust to the NBA game and find a role pretty quickly, which is at a premium for us in this title window.

I also think Wendell Moore ceiling is higher than he’s been given credit for. He can create, his jumper has improved every year, he’s a stout wing defender, etc. If he takes a leap in any one area offensively, his “ceiling” conversation changes pretty quickly.

His pattern of improvement at Duke is something I value a ton too because it shows that he’s effectively working on his game. Work ethic is probably the hardest thing to gauge and having a proven track record of that is a super positive indicator.

Growth pattern reminds me a lot of another wing we could have had... Mikal Bridges.

Kobblehead · Post #1237 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:20 pm

Yeah, I think Moore's shooting and passing are consistently proven traits and him only being 20 leaves some more meat on the bone for upside than most typical juniors.

I'd definitely take McGowens ahead of everyone at #23, but Moore is definitely a compromise I can live with. Not sure I can get behind an unskilled guy or a college vet without a proven track record comparable to Moore's.

mjkvol · Post #1238 » by **mjkvol** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:25 am

Kobblehead wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Black Mage wrote:Sixers ship Tobias & Green to Pacers. Pacers send Brogdon to Sixers and Turner to Hornets. Hornets send Oubre and PJ Washington to Philly. Picks to be included in some fashion.

Not a fan of Oubre, but maybe the light goes on for him here. Nonetheless, get it done.

The only lights that will ever come on for Oubre are of the strobe variety. He only knows three things. Models, substances, clubs.

Yeah, there's little doubt of that. What a waste of talent.

Black Mage · Post #1239 » by **Black Mage** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:23 am

Anyone else find it kind of odd that Pompey has only reported on a single workout day? I mean, aren't we allowed a certain number of players to come in and workout per draft period?

Morey who always wants as much info as he can have doesn't seem like the type to just skip out on a chance to evaluate young cheap players.

Negrodamus · Post #1240 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:36 am

Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.