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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1221 » by Sixersftw » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:41 pm

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djsunyc wrote:at this point, i don't think it's bargaining power. i think it's hoping someone becomes available who isn't available now. but half a season is long a time to deal with this. they really should just tell him to stay home and pay him for it. that's way better than this.


I believe you're right, but even if Beal or Lillard become available, are they going to even want Simmons? Why would they after seeing him act like the ultimate child.

It all goes away if you believe in their talent. Jimmy, Kawhi, AD etc all acted like children and no one even thinks about it at this point. Those players are all better than Ben by quite a bit but someone saw their talent and gambled on their personality working out. If someone's into Ben's talent, the personality stuff will magically go away.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1222 » by Negrodamus » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:41 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:Sixers could have traded Ben for Kawhi in 2018. Think of the ramifications of that trade not going down. Hell, we could have still traded for Jimmy later that year.

I understand not trading Ben for a guy that the entire league knew was leaving next year. However, keeping Ben over Jimmy is unforgivable in hindsight.


We likely would have won it all since Joel and Kawhi would be unstoppable. I think that would have been worth the one year rental instead of whatever this is.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1223 » by FireMorey » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:43 pm

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djsunyc wrote:at this point, i don't think it's bargaining power. i think it's hoping someone becomes available who isn't available now. but half a season is long a time to deal with this. they really should just tell him to stay home and pay him for it. that's way better than this.


I believe you're right, but even if Beal or Lillard become available, are they going to even want Simmons? Why would they after seeing him act like the ultimate child.

It all goes away if you believe in their talent. Jimmy, Kawhi, AD etc all acted like children and no one even thinks about it at this point. Those players are all better than Ben by quite a bit but someone saw their talent and gambled on their personality working out. If someone's into Ben's talent, the personality stuff will magically go away.


I don't think Simmons is nearly good enough for teams to be that intrigued by his talent to want to take on someone this immature. If it was Harden or Kawhi, sure.

Kyrie is the best deal the Sixers are gonna get. Frankly, with everything that has gone down, I think Morey should be elated if he can get Kyrie for Simmons. Is Kyrie flawed? Sure. But you're essentially trading a nut who gives you everything you need on the court for a nut who fits horribly with your roster.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1224 » by Sixersftw » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:46 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:Sixers could have traded Ben for Kawhi in 2018. Think of the ramifications of that trade not going down. Hell, we could have still traded for Jimmy later that year.

I understand not trading Ben for a guy that the entire league knew was leaving next year. However, keeping Ben over Jimmy is unforgivable in hindsight.


We likely would have won it all since Joel and Kawhi would be unstoppable. I think that would have been worth the one year rental instead of whatever this is.

In hindsight I'm absolutely with you. Jo and Kawhi very well may have swept the playoffs given that Kawhi turned into **** Jordan for a couple of series. However, at the time Kawhi was an injured malcontent and Ben was seen as an ascendant young star. I can see how the organization could think that way and it be reasonable.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1225 » by Samson » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:53 pm

What I want to know is when Adele is going to make a song about The Ben Simmons Breakup....
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1226 » by Negrodamus » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:53 pm

Can this be a lesson to us in the future: do not take one and done players who played on teams that missed the NCAA tourney first overall. I feel like that should have been a bigger red flag for both Fultz and Ben.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1227 » by agiaco » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:55 pm

Samson wrote:What I want to know is when Adele is going to make a song about The Ben Simmons Breakup....


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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1228 » by Negrodamus » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:55 pm

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1229 » by the_process » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:56 pm

FireMorey wrote:
djsunyc wrote:at this point, i don't think it's bargaining power. i think it's hoping someone becomes available who isn't available now. but half a season is long a time to deal with this. they really should just tell him to stay home and pay him for it. that's way better than this.


I believe you're right, but even if Beal or Lillard become available, are they going to even want Simmons? Why would they after seeing him act like the ultimate child.


Even if a star does come on the market, the other team will not want Ben Simmons. Just take all the picks from Minnesota with their scrubs and hold out until the summer.

Or I still think you could get Murray, Vassell, Aminu, and 2 1sts from SA if they want something more win now.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1230 » by the_process » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:57 pm

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1231 » by Skates » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:57 pm

Simmons is immature, but not in a getting in trouble off the court way, he isn't attacking teammates, getting arrested, beating women, no drug or substance issues and other than being a weird emo guy in some ways, he has in the past worked really hard on and off the court, even has a nasty disposition on court at times. His immaturity is not laziness, but a lack of the ability to stretch himself to the point where failures are likely to happen and should. Hence he works very hard at improving what he is already good to excellent at and does not work (hard work and the right kind of work are two different things) at improving and then applying his weaker skills.

Would a team want him as an alpha dog? Maybe as your best defender, but not overall. He is a good fit in the right situation, either a team with a core that needs his strengths, which are considerable, and cover his weaknesses, or some smaller market with lazily cheering fans and low expectations. Maybe in the latter situation he would be willing to shoot from distance (ie anything greater than 6 feet out) and expand his game, knowing that looking bad at something won't get him judged by a desperate and/or just happy to be there and distracted by other things fan base and media.

So yes, he is still very valuable, but not to every team or city for certain. His representation is as much the problem here as Simmons and the Sixers/Philly are, since they appear to have assured him he could just hold out and still get his money back after a trade and now that they learned he can't, he is back in a super awkward situation that he isn't ready to handle and one he previously thought he never had to deal with, thanks to Klutch miscalculating.

The League and owners are behind the Sixers on this one, Simmons is the guy they want to draw the line in the sand on given how many years and how much money he is signed for. He is kind of a weird guy who was never made to stand up and be a man for himself, has a lot of growing up to do and needs representation or at least a mentor that he will listen to and that gives it to him straight.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1232 » by Eyeamok » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:59 pm

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1233 » by sixerserpent » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:01 pm

Maybe I'm being naive right now, but I'm still not overly worried about getting something in return for simmons. Let him sit and wait it out the first few weeks of the regular season. When a handful teams start 5-10 and get desperate to shake things up quick, SOMEBODY will take a gamble on him, no?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1234 » by UnFadeable21 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:01 pm

Doc Rivers: “I thought he was a distraction today. I didn’t think he wanted to do what everyone else was doing.”

The 76ers have fined Ben Simmons $1.4M for his absence from four preseason games (360K each) and levied numerous team fines for missed practices, on-court workouts and meetings.

Simmons’ reluctance to physically and mentally engage with the Sixers since his return has been a consistent theme.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1235 » by kriss73 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:02 pm

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The right approch imho. Doesn't matter how it will end...at this point ii's the only approch.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1236 » by Eyeamok » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:05 pm

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The right approch imho. Doesn't matter how it will end...at this point ii's the only approch.
Ball in the court of Simmons and Rich


And with that said there will be a trade by the end of the week.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1237 » by Samson » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:07 pm

Skates wrote:Simmons is immature, but not in a getting in trouble off the court way, he isn't attacking teammates, getting arrested, beating women, no drug or substance issues and other than being a weird emo guy in some ways, he has in the past worked really hard on and off the court, even has a nasty disposition on court at times. His immaturity is not laziness, but a lack of the ability to stretch himself to the point where failures are likely to happen and should. Hence he works very hard at improving what he is already good to excellent at and does not work (hard work and the right kind of work are two different things) at improving and then applying his weaker skills.

Would a team want him as an alpha dog? Maybe as your best defender, but not overall. He is a good fit in the right situation, either a team with a core that needs his strengths, which are considerable, and cover his weaknesses, or some smaller market with lazily cheering fans and low expectations. Maybe in the latter situation he would be willing to shoot from distance (ie anything greater than 6 feet out) and expand his game, knowing that looking bad at something won't get him judged by a desperate and/or just happy to be there and distracted by other things fan base and media.

So yes, he is still very valuable, but not to every team or city for certain. His representation is as much the problem here as Simmons and the Sixers/Philly are, since they appear to have assured him he could just hold out and still get his money back after a trade and now that they learned he can't, he is back in a super awkward situation that he isn't ready to handle and one he previously thought he never had to deal with, thanks to Klutch miscalculating.

The League and owners are behind the Sixers on this one, Simmons is the guy they want to draw the line in the sand on given how many years and how much money he is signed for. He is kind of a weird guy who was never made to stand up and be a man for himself, has a lot of growing up to do and needs representation or at least a mentor that he will listen to and that gives it to him straight.



Bro I mean really now. I could get behind the idea of someone not getting arrested, beating women, doing drugs, or having real hardcore problems being a desirable trait in an employee.

*REFUSING TO DO YOUR JOB* is an absolutely impossible thing to reconcile ACROSS THE BOARD, ACROSS THE PLANET, ACROSS THE KNOWN OR UNKNOWN UNIVERSE, Period, Point Blank, Full Stop.

If someone is an employee of KFC, and has never gotten arrested, never beaten a women, never done a drug, but refuses to FRY THE FREAKING CHICKEN, Sorry son, you gotta go!

If someone is an Electrician, and has never gotten arrested, never beaten a women, never done a drug, but REFUSES TO CONNECT THE WIRES, Sorry son, you gotta go!

Why would it be any different for a multiple-hundreds-of-millions-paid Professional Athlete?!

This freaking spoiled brat punk-ass-bitch needs to be proscribed from Professional Sports. There is only so many chances someone can be extended. He's got to go. Go have fun Keeping Up With The Kardashians, but you do not get to Pass Go, Do Not Collect Hundreds Of Millions Of Dollars For Refusing To Play A Child's Game.

I mean really now, has society lowered the bar so low?!
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1238 » by Eyeamok » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:08 pm

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Chit I'd be pissed too. :lol:


Actually he needs to be mad at Rich Paul for his stupid strategy. Ask for a trade...demand a trade....but still show up to collect your checks. Ben you mad at someone be mad at Rich Paul and Klutch.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1239 » by Mik317 » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:10 pm

sixerserpent wrote:Maybe I'm being naive right now, but I'm still not overly worried about getting something in return for simmons. Let him sit and wait it out the first few weeks of the regular season. When a handful teams start 5-10 and get desperate to shake things up quick, SOMEBODY will take a gamble on him, no?

we might be one of those 5-10 teams tho.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6 

Post#1240 » by Stanford » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:11 pm

did shams mention he was wearing sweatpants?

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