Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[BigSleep333]

i love math and numbers..but math is not my religion as it pretends to be yours..

you are bad at that logic thing, if you cant see it. talking bout the WORST player, the player would have to be bad at almost every single criteria. the fact he HAS pros, will make him better than some with absolutely NONE pros. shouldnt be that hard to figure that out.

If you're willing to escrow a large sum of money with a reputable third party to make it worth my time, we can both take the LSAT in a few months and bet to see who has the higher score to determine who has a better grasp of logic. I'll warn you that it's probably not in your best interest to accept that challenge though.

I don't agree with the bolded at all. We're talking about NBA players - just about every player got to the league on some type of strength. Having a strength doesn't mean you aren't among the worst players.

starts to get reeeally funny

im from austria, i dont know what "LSAT" is. if you really want to prove something, download the app "peak" and post screens. yeah its just a game and its inaccurate, but i doubt you will get a better score than me

[hookshot199]

If you want to argue that he has the potential to be a lot better than he is now, that's reasonable to believe (even if I disagree with the amount he can improve). However, he is almost certainly one of the worst players in the league right now by many different metrics. He's last in RPM for Centers for the second straight season by a HUGE margin with almost the exact same number as last season (-5.24 this season, -5.28 last season). In terms of RPM wins added, he's 3rd worst in the league, ahead of only Brandon Knight and Brandon Ingram.

We won 10 games last year and we performed the worst when he was on the floor by a huge margin - 10 points worse per 100 poss when Okafor was on the floor last season, 15.1 points worse this season.

We've won 27% of our games this season when Okafor plays (compared to 42% for Embiid, 50% for Noel). We're 1-7 when Okafor plays and Noel and Embiid don't play. We're 7-4 when Embiid plays and Okafor doesn't play. We're 10-4 when Noel plays and Okafor doesn't play.

One of the myths from last season was that Okafor struggles because of the quality of teammates around him but Noel and Embiid are each having significant success with the same teammates.

From the eye test alone, the quality of play when Okafor is in the game is atrocious, whereas we frequently look like a good basketball team when he's off the floor.

It's incredible that you guys still don't see it.

i dont see what? i dont see him as one of the worst players in the league, nah! my problem here is, too many guys are going OVER THE TOP when it comes to talking bout okafor. i cant take that nonsense...i dont even like okafor. i value defense over offense and ill be glad when i dont have to see okafor sleeping on D again.

you negafors (im not a prokafor as you see, im at least trying to be objective) completely ignore his elite postskills, footwork, jump shot improvements, etc. (his 69 % FT in his rookieseason, coming from a 51% FT college season was impressive)

this positives alone eliminates him in a discussion of the worst player of the league, regardless what an RPM he has. (yeah, ttp, i think you are the personified version of RPM) i'll never ask what you think about denzel valentines D, cause you will probably tell me, hes not an absolute TRASH defender, because he ranks 20th amongst SG in DRPM.

I feel like I'm talking to the scouts from Moneyball that care about aesthetics and want to sell jeans when I only care about production. Okafor has some appealing aesthetics but it doesn't convert to production. Noel and Holmes are more efficient scorers in the post without the fancy footwork.

Also you mention Okafor's improvement from college to his rookie season but fail to mention his regression this season. His FT% is 62% this season.

I don't understand the logic of the bolded. Point out one improvement from college (that hasn't even improved again in his second season) and some fancy footwork is enough to say someone is not one of the worst players in the league?

I'm sorry you don't like math and numbers but it's the most tangible way to evaluate players. Also you're a bit hypocritical by using one number (his improved FT%) to support your argument that he's not one of the worst players, but then mock me because I use other numbers to argue otherwise.

And you forget that he was injured and put on restricted minutes. Most of the 'prokafor' people have gone part way with you. He's not what we expected. He doesn't seem to play with passion. But you're devaluing to the point where you're not making any sense.

You remind me of my fifth grade teacher. She used to bark orders because we wouldn't bark back.

Basketball 'history' does play into this - a review of draft picks present and past, a review of players with Okafor's unique skill set, obviously not right for the Sixers but not necessarily wrong (it's not black and white) for everybody else.

Enjoy your day. And just remember Clint's advice…

[spikeslovechild]

At this point we have to move Okafor but honestly I don't get it. We created a situation where we didn't need to Okafor has 2.5 years left and we are allowing it to hijack our entire deadline. When we a bunch of other important decisions to make including Ersan, Noel, Sergio, Henderson, etc. I don't get it.

Self inflicted wound.

[TTP]

i love math and numbers..but math is not my religion as it pretends to be yours..

you are bad at that logic thing, if you cant see it. talking bout the WORST player, the player would have to be bad at almost every single criteria. the fact he HAS pros, will make him better than some with absolutely NONE pros. shouldnt be that hard to figure that out.

If you're willing to escrow a large sum of money with a reputable third party to make it worth my time, we can both take the LSAT in a few months and bet to see who has the higher score to determine who has a better grasp of logic. I'll warn you that it's probably not in your best interest to accept that challenge though.

I don't agree with the bolded at all. We're talking about NBA players - just about every player got to the league on some type of strength. Having a strength doesn't mean you aren't among the worst players.

starts to get reeeally funny

im from austria, i dont know what "LSAT" is. if you really want to prove something, download the app "peak" and post screens. yeah its just a game and its inaccurate, but i doubt you wil get a better score than me

I'm looking at this app - it says it tests Memory, Attention, Problem Solving, Mental Agility, Language, Coordination, Creativity and Emotion Control. I see nothing about logic.

The LSAT is the Law School Admission Test. It tests logical reasoning, analytical reasoning, and reading comprehension.

[BigSleep333]

If you're willing to escrow a large sum of money with a reputable third party to make it worth my time, we can both take the LSAT in a few months and bet to see who has the higher score to determine who has a better grasp of logic. I'll warn you that it's probably not in your best interest to accept that challenge though.

I don't agree with the bolded at all. We're talking about NBA players - just about every player got to the league on some type of strength. Having a strength doesn't mean you aren't among the worst players.

starts to get reeeally funny

im from austria, i dont know what "LSAT" is. if you really want to prove something, download the app "peak" and post screens. yeah its just a game and its inaccurate, but i doubt you wil get a better score than me

I'm looking at this app - it says it tests Memory, Attention, Problem Solving, Mental Agility, Language, Coordination, Creativity and Emotion Control. I see nothing about logic.

The LSAT is the Law School Admission Test. It tests logical reasoning, analytical reasoning, and reading comprehension.

what do you think, do you need, to solve problems? geez...you will not come close

[TTP]

i dont see what? i dont see him as one of the worst players in the league, nah! my problem here is, too many guys are going OVER THE TOP when it comes to talking bout okafor. i cant take that nonsense...i dont even like okafor. i value defense over offense and ill be glad when i dont have to see okafor sleeping on D again.

you negafors (im not a prokafor as you see, im at least trying to be objective) completely ignore his elite postskills, footwork, jump shot improvements, etc. (his 69 % FT in his rookieseason, coming from a 51% FT college season was impressive)

this positives alone eliminates him in a discussion of the worst player of the league, regardless what an RPM he has. (yeah, ttp, i think you are the personified version of RPM) i'll never ask what you think about denzel valentines D, cause you will probably tell me, hes not an absolute TRASH defender, because he ranks 20th amongst SG in DRPM.

I feel like I'm talking to the scouts from Moneyball that care about aesthetics and want to sell jeans when I only care about production. Okafor has some appealing aesthetics but it doesn't convert to production. Noel and Holmes are more efficient scorers in the post without the fancy footwork.

Also you mention Okafor's improvement from college to his rookie season but fail to mention his regression this season. His FT% is 62% this season.

I don't understand the logic of the bolded. Point out one improvement from college (that hasn't even improved again in his second season) and some fancy footwork is enough to say someone is not one of the worst players in the league?

I'm sorry you don't like math and numbers but it's the most tangible way to evaluate players. Also you're a bit hypocritical by using one number (his improved FT%) to support your argument that he's not one of the worst players, but then mock me because I use other numbers to argue otherwise.

And you forget that he was injured and put on restricted minutes. Most of the 'prokafor' people have gone part way with you. He's not what we expected. He doesn't seem to play with passion. But you're devaluing to the point where you're not making any sense.

You remind me of my fifth grade teacher. She used to bark orders because we wouldn't bark back.

Basketball 'history' does play into this - a review of draft picks present and past, a review of players with Okafor's unique skill set, obviously not right for the Sixers but not necessarily wrong (it's not black and white) for everybody else.

Enjoy your day. And just remember Clint's advice…

Where have they gone part way? One of the two guys I've argued with has shifted his original position multiple times and refuses to admit it.

I led off my first post going part way with them by saying that it's reasonable to expect him to improve but unreasonable to suggest he hasn't been one of the worst players in the league thus far.

The bolded has nothing to do with the argument. I'm not talking about draft position, history, his skill set, or his fit with us. My singular point is that he has been one of the worst players in the league thus far. Maybe his circumstances are the reason he's been one of the worst - I never suggested otherwise. Injured or not, he's been one of the worst players in the league.

[spikeslovechild]

And it comes down to this. Why don't you two get a room and measure already

[51X3RF4N]

And it comes down to this. Why don't you two get a room and measure already

Why would they measure the room dimensions? Clearly, the room is 6'10 and 20/10 before you even turn on the lights. We should get at least a 1st and a player for the room.

[TTP]

starts to get reeeally funny

im from austria, i dont know what "LSAT" is. if you really want to prove something, download the app "peak" and post screens. yeah its just a game and its inaccurate, but i doubt you wil get a better score than me

I'm looking at this app - it says it tests Memory, Attention, Problem Solving, Mental Agility, Language, Coordination, Creativity and Emotion Control. I see nothing about logic.

The LSAT is the Law School Admission Test. It tests logical reasoning, analytical reasoning, and reading comprehension.

what do you think, do you need, to solve problems? geez...you will not come close

Certain types of problem solving may incorporate logic, but problem solving doesn't necessitate logic. As an example, being able to solve the mathematical equation 2+2 requires problem solving but does not require logic.

[BigSleep333]

yeah sry guys, you are right, back to topic

[Lovetron Joe]

Let's predict the over and under on the number of pages in this thread before Okafor is traded. I will say over 100.

[51X3RF4N]

So I'm thinking more about this....

How many of you would trade Okafor for an 18-20 year old stretch 4 prospect who could push Dario for minutes, and replace Ilyasova on the roster? I would guess a lot of you would be okay with that kind of deal, no?






Because, here is a list of 2017 draft prospects that probably fits that mold. TJ Leaf, Isaiah Hartenstein, Ivan Rabb, Lauri Markkanen. That's 4 prospects.

If we say that the following will be picked in the top 15: Fultz, Ball, Smith, Jackson, Bridges, Tatum, Giles, Fox, Monk, Isaac, Ntilikina....that means the other 4 prospects should also fall into the top 15. And most likely, 2 of them will be a bit higher and 2 a bit lower (based on team needs alone). So, if Okafor is traded for a late 2017 1st or future 1st PLUS the rights to the SAC pick if it falls 11-30, then you're most likely getting the SAC pick in the 11-15 range. Which means, there's still potential for 2 top 8 picks plus a stretch 4 prospect.

If you could look back 2 years from now and say "Okafor got us Ivan Rabb, who is a solid bench PF behind Dario, AND Frank Jackson (from 2018 mid 1st pick)".... then isn't that a win?

[KKell2507]

Wow Toronto just got Serge Ibaka! what a terrific pickup for them. A floor spacing rim protector with a bit of an attitude, playing for his next contract. Could be huge come playoff time.

[yourewrong]

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[KKell2507]

Wow Toronto just got Serge Ibaka! what a terrific pickup for them. A floor spacing rim protector with a bit of an attitude, playing for his next contract. Could be huge come playoff time.

For Terrance Ross and 2017 1st rd pick.

Yikes Orlando. After giving up Oladipo, Sabonis to get him. Guess a soon to be free agent, thats about as good youre going to get.

Shows how little we will probably get for Okafor, because well Ibaka is 465X better than Okafor.

[KKell2507]

Kevin Love out 6 weeks with knee injury. Wonder what this means for the Cavs at the deadline? Want Okafor as insurance lol

[51X3RF4N]

Think they'd be willing to flip Ross to PHI for Okafor? LOL

[KKell2507]

Kevin Love out 6 weeks with knee injury. Wonder what this means for the Cavs at the deadline? Want Okafor as insurance lol

Also had Embiid been healthy, theres his spot in the All Star game as well...damnit

[BoomBap]

is he good again or does he look like the 40 year old dude from last season?

[yourewrong]

Think they'd be willing to flip Ross to PHI for Okafor? LOL

Charlotte's 2017 2nd rounder and the rights to Cedi Osman. Get it done, Bryan