Joel Embiid

Mik317 · Post #1241 » by **Mik317** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:03 am

the lengths one will go to defend Ben is nuts.

I thought him passing up a wide open dunk would be the come to jesus moment...but here we are.

downtownpie · Post #1242 » by **downtownpie** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:22 am

Has Embiid had his knee cleaned out yet? Wonder how much damage he has which will affect him long term.

kuclas · Post #1243 » by **kuclas** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:51 pm

downtownpie wrote:Has Embiid had his knee cleaned out yet? Wonder how much damage he has which will affect him long term.

Yeah. I was wondering the same. Last time he had knee surgery (March/April 2017). He didn’t play again till November 2017.

We are near July 2021. Cartilage repair is a 3 month recovery process.

XtremeDunkz · Post #1244 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:07 am

Pretty sure they said hes not getting surgery

eyeatoma · Post #1245 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:45 am

This is true, the initial diagnosis said surgery not required. So unless he did further damage to it, the tear was small enough that it could heal on it's own.

That being said, I saw this, so if they have still not decided yet, we're running out of time for him to be ready for the start of the season.

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eyeatoma · Post #1246 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:50 am

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76ciology · Post #1247 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 8:16 am

I would rather trade Embiid rather than signing him to a long supermax deal if I can’t find a top tier star for Ben.

Atleast find a T-Mac so you can afford to compete if Yao is not playing.

Eyeamok · Post #1248 » by **Eyeamok** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 6:05 pm

76ciology wrote:I would rather trade Embiid rather than signing him to a long supermax deal if I can’t find a top tier star for Ben.

Atleast find a T-Mac so you can afford to compete if Yao is not playing.

I'm giving Embiid his supermax and let the chips fall where they may.

76ciology · Post #1249 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 6:10 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
76ciology wrote:I would rather trade Embiid rather than signing him to a long supermax deal if I can’t find a top tier star for Ben.

Atleast find a T-Mac so you can afford to compete if Yao is not playing.

I'm giving Embiid his supermax and let the chips fall where they may.

Oh well. Worse comes to worst, we can take the GSW route and sit him out like Curry then have a top pick as an asset or to convert into a talent that can help him

Eyeamok · Post #1250 » by **Eyeamok** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 6:17 pm

76ciology wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
76ciology wrote:I would rather trade Embiid rather than signing him to a long supermax deal if I can’t find a top tier star for Ben.

Atleast find a T-Mac so you can afford to compete if Yao is not playing.

I'm giving Embiid his supermax and let the chips fall where they may.

Oh well. Worse comes to worst, we can take the GSW route and sit him out like Curry then have a top pick as an asset or to convert into a talent that can help him

It reminds me of the time In 2018 I traded all of my Amazon shares to buy INTC because I knew chips were going to be in every device going forward. I got a good quality stock but I should have held on to Amazon.

76ciology · Post #1251 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 6:31 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
I'm giving Embiid his supermax and let the chips fall where they may.

Oh well. Worse comes to worst, we can take the GSW route and sit him out like Curry then have a top pick as an asset or to convert into a talent that can help him

It reminds me of the time In 2018 I traded all of my Amazon shares to buy INTC because I knew chips were going to be in every device going forward. I got a good quality stock but I should have held on to Amazon.

Haha but Embiid is not amazon. He’s more like blackberry. It’s time clock is ticking, time is not on it’s side and there are better techs out there. When blackberry was once king, it’s value is like 10x to what it is right now lol

You better hope big man.. i mean.. keyboard will be a hot trend if you’re still holding BB stock

If you think embiid’s health and stamina will improve with a longer season and without someone who can carry him (top tier talent), i dont know else what to say. Maybe miracles happen.

I watched Brolo in the last two games and im confident to say Brolo is more athletic than Embiid right now and maybe more durable

Mik317 · Post #1252 » by **Mik317** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 6:44 pm

You give Biid the max and then pray. If he becomes a pumpkin, that would suck but hey...built in tank excuse lol. But you don't **** him by not offering or else our already small chances of getting stars go even lower. You trade Jo and then attempt to build around Ben or Tobias would be an awful way to show thanks to one of the few dudes who has constantly improved.

Injuries are very scary and I get not wanting to get Yao'd but after the season he just had..you would not only piss off other players but also agents...not the road you can afford to go down in todays NBA

rzzzzz · Post #1253 » by **rzzzzz** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:03 pm

Mik317 wrote:Injuries are very scary and I get not wanting to get Yao'd but after the season he just had..you would not only piss off other players but also agents...not the road you can afford to go down in todays NBA

Yao seemed so fragile, you knew just playing the game was going to break him down. We just saw Embiid come into this season buff and well conditioned. I’m only afraid of more awkward landings. It’s like the old Henny Youngman joke. “I told my doctor it hurts when I do that. He said ‘Don’t do that.’”

zaz102 · Post #1254 » by **zaz102** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:21 pm

You give Embiid the supermax. Yes, he will get older and yes, at the end of his contract he probably won't be worth it. But I essentially think you're choosing to contend for a few years or rebuilding. And I'd rather contend. We can rebuild as soon as Embiid is cooked.

Superstars are rarely traded for superstars. I saw someone mention Doncic for Embiid. IMO, that is unrealistic to the point of delusion. And losing Embiid to free agency is essentially starting the rebuild.

Maybe a few years into the supermax, you trade him to start the rebuild. But that won't be until after the supermax is signed.

76ciology · Post #1255 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:30 pm

Opportunity cost.

It’s not like you’ll be able to make it to the finals without a top tier star in return for ben. And i dont consider it as “contend” if we just keep repeatedly gets booted out of the second round which likely is going to be the case if we just stay in the status quo or maintain the talent level of this team.

Consider that Hawks will get better. Did you see Reddish last game? They dont even had DeAndre Hunter.

Raps will also be better with their 4th overall pick.

Nets will be better once they’re all healthy.

The only way I see us making it to the finals if we can end up with Lillard or other top tier star for Ben and our assets.

There’s just too many ways to skin a cat. And building around Embiid isn’t even the best way to skin a cat.

thenbaman · Post #1256 » by **thenbaman** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 8:02 pm

Doncic for Embiid not even if they threw in 10 first round picks,wow

eyeatoma · Post #1257 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 8:38 pm

Honestly some of you don't deserve Embiid on this team. Instead of giving him his contract you are all throwing out a bunch of what ifs for a player who has done everything we've asked of him. Then ya'll are throwing out opportunity cost. Please, at some point you need to be a human being a realize that someone is putting themselves out there and needs to be rewarded for it, and not try to sell him on the high so that you can prevent a few years of when he might get injured. We will never be closer to a championship probably for the next 5-10 years without Embiid. The easiest fix is to build with him instead of some convoluted 9 year plan where we may get someone who many take us to the finals, where we may win. Just lol at some of you.

Mik317 · Post #1258 » by **Mik317** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:41 am

76ciology wrote:Opportunity cost.

It’s not like you’ll be able to make it to the finals without a top tier star in return for ben. And i dont consider it as “contend” if we just keep repeatedly gets booted out of the second round which likely is going to be the case if we just stay in the status quo or maintain the talent level of this team.

Consider that Hawks will get better. Did you see Reddish last game? They dont even had DeAndre Hunter.

Raps will also be better with their 4th overall pick.

Nets will be better once they’re all healthy.

The only way I see us making it to the finals if we can end up with Lillard or other top tier star for Ben and our assets.

There’s just too many ways to skin a cat. And building around Embiid isn’t even the best way to skin a cat.

The Nets have been supposed to run the east for the last two seasons...and got hurt both times.

Their guys are getting older and have a lot of wear and tear on their bodies....

also if we are going to win a chip, we will need to beat great teams. Just giving up because of superteams is lame. If Embiid falls off a cliff...then **** happens. Scared money don't make money and all that jazz. I also imagine there will be a bunch of injury clauses in it anyway. Plus its not like we can use that money elsewhere and trading him will be for a rebuild package....and again is not a great look to agents, players and fans.

its not happening

76ciology · Post #1259 » by **76ciology** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 3:08 am

Mik317 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Opportunity cost.

It’s not like you’ll be able to make it to the finals without a top tier star in return for ben. And i dont consider it as “contend” if we just keep repeatedly gets booted out of the second round which likely is going to be the case if we just stay in the status quo or maintain the talent level of this team.

Consider that Hawks will get better. Did you see Reddish last game? They dont even had DeAndre Hunter.

Raps will also be better with their 4th overall pick.

Nets will be better once they’re all healthy.

The only way I see us making it to the finals if we can end up with Lillard or other top tier star for Ben and our assets.

There’s just too many ways to skin a cat. And building around Embiid isn’t even the best way to skin a cat.

The Nets have been supposed to run the east for the last two seasons...and got hurt both times.

Their guys are getting older and have a lot of wear and tear on their bodies....

also if we are going to win a chip, we will need to beat great teams. Just giving up because of superteams is lame. If Embiid falls off a cliff...then **** happens. Scared money don't make money and all that jazz. I also imagine there will be a bunch of injury clauses in it anyway. Plus its not like we can use that money elsewhere and trading him will be for a rebuild package....and again is not a great look to agents, players and fans.

its not happening

It’s not actually giving up.

It just shows a better commitment in winning by having the balls to take risk and make sacrifices. And being smart to deviate early when the path is leading nowhere or the odds of success is getting lower as you continue the position you’re in.

Just take note of this player empowerment era that it’s like the prisoner’s dilemma that if you dont defect, you’re at risk to get defected.

Even Dame’s loyalty is even in question.

Mik317 · Post #1260 » by **Mik317** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 3:16 am

the player empowerment era is exactly why you have to give Biid the supermax. He's happy here and wants to be here despite all of the dumb **** we have done. You don't turn your back on that. Portland would be stupid to trade Dame as long as he wants to stay.

You get a real star and they want to stay...you make it work lol.