Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[stormi]

No... you absolutely don't want Covington against those guys... maybe 5 years ago. But not now. You want Covington to play roamer and help defense which he's ABSOLUTELY ELITE at. You don't want to stick him on the perimeter and have him guard another team's better players. I just watch him all year struggle against top perimeter threats and get moved into a more help/disruption role about 1/4 of the way through the season and shine there.

I don't want to stick Tobias Harris on the top perimeter threats either. So now... I still don't have anyone to stick on top perimeter threats and I have one guy who is elite as a disrupter who can't effectively play that role because another guy is taking up that space.

Shame about Roco... We saw it first hand when he got absolutely torched by a rookie wing in an embarrassing 5 game series loss.

I get the fascination about Ben with Portland fans then, in theory he is the cream of the crop when it comes to man defending. He's a specimen, a generational defender. He can stick with any forward or wing. He can smother little guards. He had Trae shooting bunk percentages in the playoffs, can clamp Lebron, Luka Doncic etc. Tobias certainly isn't bad on that end, but he isn't changing the structure of a defense.

If CJ is your primary trade chip in upgrading your defense and a Ben trade isn't feasible who would you target?

Two guys I think about... S&T for Lonzo who isn't perfect, but I'll live with RoCo on the taller/bigger wings if I can throw Lonzo and Powell on guards and smaller 3s. And Marcus Smart who I think can guard 1 through 3 effectively.

Portland needs long defenders who have a chance against most 1-3 perimeter players. I don't mind a singular talent burning Portland from 1 position. They have enough offense to overcome that. But Portland needs a point of attack guy and Harris and Covington ain't it. I think both Lonzo and Smart have proven to be good in that role at this point. I like Lonzo because he provides decent offense as well and can run the offense better then Smart.

I love the idea of a Lillard/Ball backcourt. Lonzo is extremely quick at 6'6 and can mark guards and wings. I've seen him play tough defense on guys like Harden and Tatum before. He's awesome in the open court, has great vision and has developed an absolute strap. He would be a great get. A lot of bad teams are going to throw money at him this summer...

I was super into the idea of throwing assets to get him if we traded Ben like rumored mid season to replace that role.

[sodmoraes]

We also get the added part on the production and usage uptick because he’s not playing alongside Lillard.

Dude will be an all star in the East on our team.

CJ is not the answer, Embiid is and will forever will be. If you trade him (that should be discussed years from now) you start from ground zero again. No thanks

I agree. Cj would be easily an allstar playing with Embiid. 25 ppg, shooting 6 3s per game at 40% clip.

Matisse is just a defensive player, a great one, but he will never be decent on the ofensive side.

Cj will help a lot our playoffs strugles, and lower Embiid iso in the playoffs.

For me the plan A is Dame for Simmmons( and a package). If not possible trade Tobias for Cj. Tobias isnt a go scorer, and he doesnt shoot 3s frequently.

Cj would solve a lot of our halfcourt problems, and we would still keep Maxey. He's not a home run trade but he would improve our team. Like when we traded Jrich for Curry, a lot of people tought it wasnt a good trade, but made our team more balanced. I think this trade would have a similar impact.

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[Foshan]

CJ for Harris reminds me of the Kapono for Reggie Evan’s deal (just more money!)

Two sides argue which side would need to add to make it happen, both players have strengths and weaknesses (in that case the players were much more one dimensional). Ended up being a straight swap.

I felt we lost that deal lol

[Tomjas]

Kawhi is giving off some late Spurs career vibes so it wouldn’t surprise me if Morey makes a call to the Clippers

Lakers will be interested because of LeBron but don’t have assets so would have to be a multi team deal

[76ciology]

Morey should print this and insert this to every folder he will send along with his 50 pages white paper peer reviewed by MIT about his trade proposal of Ben Simmons

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[76ciology]

Kawhi is giving off some late Spurs career vibes so it wouldn’t surprise me if Morey makes a call to the Clippers

Lakers will be interested because of LeBron but don’t have assets so would have to be a multi team deal

Yeah. I think Ben would be a good fit with the Clips. I was exploring a PG for Ben trade prior but we know the history of Doc and PG so i didnt push it through.

Ben would be a good fit with the Clips, all they need to do is to re-sign Reggie Jackson. Lue and Ben could also be tight.

PG needs to play with someone who can get everyone involve. Reggie and PG could be their top 2 primary scorers off the dribble.

Ben could play that role Mann is playing for them. Just need a stretch 5 to replace Zubac. Maybe Morris would be enough

[76ciology]

Do Wolves fans know our GM is Daryl Morey?

They’re making all these trades with Rubio, Beasley and protected picks for Ben.

They’re the wolves. A perpetual bottom dwellers in the pecking order of the NBA. They’re the teams that will trade KAT for pat beverly, montrezl Harrell and 3 picks.

Every offseason, every GMs of contenders would ask.. “what are the talents i can steal from these bottom dwellers?”

[stormi]

Yeah. I think Ben would be a good fit with the Clips. I was exploring a PG for Ben trade prior but we know the history of Doc and PG so i didnt push it through.

Literally me too, and I abstained from posting it for the exact same reason. Another reason to let "Doc" go, besides the fact that he can't coach at all, exudes no confidence and sucks tactically.

If Kawhi opts out and leaves, fire Glenn immediately. Promote Cassell.

Orchestrate deals including Tobias for CJ and Ben for PG13.

Form a hyperfitting legitimate monster trio.

???

Profit.

[Hussien Fatal]

Sell the entire farm for dame, Beal. SGA or Lavine. The offseason will be a failure if the Sixers can’t acquire one of these players.

[ProcessDoctor]

Kawhi is giving off some late Spurs career vibes so it wouldn’t surprise me if Morey makes a call to the Clippers

Lakers will be interested because of LeBron but don’t have assets so would have to be a multi team deal

This is an under the radar move I’m sure Morey will pursue. Ben + picks for Kawhi followed by Harris/Thybulle for CJ/RoCo.

CJ/Maxey/Hill
Green/Curry/Milton
Kawhi/#50/Joe
Covington/FA/Tolliver
Embiid/Howard/Reed

[Tomjas]

Sell the entire farm for dame, Beal. SGA or Lavine. The offseason will be a failure if the Sixers can’t acquire one of these players.

Then drive Joel out of town when our defence falls off

Sixers 101

[Stanford]

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/070321

Really bizarre article by Mike O'Connor. We're adding three firsts, Maxey and Shake for Beal but getting SGA for Ben straight up. The Kings add a unprotected(!) first round pick with Fox! Wtf is going on

[Foshan]

^those were all over the place. I don't understand at all.

[Kobblehead]

If we can get Fox and a pick, I will guarantee a title within two seasons.

[eyeatoma]

I wonder if it just means that Simmons has more value than a lot of people thought. Hmm, interesting, GMs know more than fans? Or even better, there are still a bunch of dumb GMs out there?

[Ferry Avenue]

I wonder if it just means that Simmons has more value than a lot of people thought. Hmm, interesting, GMs know more than fans? Or even better, there are still a bunch of dumb GMs out there?

There are two kinds of value: 1) the value of putting fans in the seats and selling team merchandise, and 2) the value of helping a team win a championship. Simmons has the former but not the latter, and he no longer has either for the Sixers. He would likely have the former for another team, if perhaps only temporarily.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Simmons has much more value than what the casual fan witnessed in these past playoffs. Simmons like it or not is a very marketable player, he's polarizing, unique, he's popular amongst the younger fans (he can put fans in the seats). He's a triple double threat (which for some reason, people think is just amazing), so I think we can get a great return for him if we push this. Morey is smart to take his time with this. As the season progresses and the draft comes and goes, we're going to see what exactly teams around the league have in mind for the next season. I think we all know that it isn't always all about winning in this league.
If you can put fans in the seats and take a team like the T'Wolves who haven't made the playoffs in 45 years, and get them the 8th seed in the west, it's going to be a winning situation without actually winning. Despite most likely getting swept in the first round, Minnesota fans are going to be excited because...well...It's their first playoff experience that many of them have ever had. Some of the other fans were probably around 3 years old the last time their team was in the postseason. So with that said, giving up Anthony Edwards for Simmons wont be as crushing as they initially presumed. Right? haha

[Ferry Avenue]

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/070321

Really bizarre article by Mike O'Connor. We're adding three firsts, Maxey and Shake for Beal but getting SGA for Ben straight up. The Kings add a unprotected(!) first round pick with Fox! Wtf is going on

Of all the ones noted there, this is the one I'd be the happiest with:

Blazers get: Ben Simmons, Shake Milton, 2021 second round pick (58th overall)

Sixers get: C.J. McCollum, Robert Covington

That way you can keep Maxey and Covington immediately replaces Simmons's ability to guard 1 through 3, while adding shooting offensively. That also allows you to part with Danny Green or make him a bench player.

Embiid
Harris
Covington
Maxey
McCollum

I might be higher on Maxey than most, however. I think the guy can be "Trae Young light" very soon. And if he can, that's a very potent lineup.

[Kobblehead]

I wonder if it just means that Simmons has more value than a lot of people thought. Hmm, interesting, GMs know more than fans? Or even better, there are still a bunch of dumb GMs out there?

Value is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone values certain skillsets differently and have different objectives and motives behind their decisions.

[mjkvol]

I'd sign for Harris for CJ in a millisecond. To me, the first priority needs to be moving that albatross of a contract and his 'best player on a bad team' type of game. If nothing else is done, that move will have upgraded this roster in a big way.

Starting next season CJ is owed 3/90
Harris is owed 3/111

CJ isn’t cheap at 30 million a year for next 3 seasons either.

All the better, as it makes the trade easier to get done. I'd much rather spend that money on the type of player that can play with Embiid and Simmons, which is exactly what we were hoping Fultz would become. Well, here he is, a guy that's an already proven NBA shot creator and who will spread the floor. A no-brainer.