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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1241 » by stormi » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:45 am

Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.



Top 10 talent to me personally. He has all the tools to be an elite shooter and creator off the dribble coupled with high school pedigree and a +5 wingspan.

At 19 having elite off the catch shooting numbers on NBA lines and superstar free throw shooting percentages make him super interesting.

That's Jordan Poole redux.
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Post#1242 » by stormi » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:49 am

Black Mage wrote:Anyone else find it kind of odd that Pompey has only reported on a single workout day? I mean, aren't we allowed a certain number of players to come in and workout per draft period?

Morey who always wants as much info as he can have doesn't seem like the type to just skip out on a chance to evaluate young cheap players.


They worked out more guys.

Keon Ellis, Jordan Hall and Kendall Brown if I can recall. And some less known guys that sounds like UDFA scouting.

Was reported though that Morey and co. have been travelling for evals as opposed to hosting. Jojo lives in that workout facility though, I think it's really funny that he just happened to be around to watch Hardy.

The story on Redick was that when he signed here in FA at midnight he came to the facility to be shown around and Joel was just there hanging out and getting in some late summer work. Brett pulled them both onto the court, Joel in slippers and JJ in dress shoes and ran some DHO's and the rest was history. The most unstoppable two man game in the NBA was born.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1243 » by DCasey91 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:53 am

Please for the love of god (only if Adrian Griffin doesn’t go inside the top 10), package the pick, Thybulle and whatever else and nab our set and forget wing for the future. It’s been our second biggest list building problem (1st obv PG and that’s done)

In fact I don’t care what it would take this might be our last chance for a long long time. Just get him I love him and I do have a great strike rate with this. Advanced stats darling/great impact indicators across the board. Basically the most valuable position nowadays. He’s the real deal. He was in fact the best Junior in national team meetups pre injury.

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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1244 » by Black Mage » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:02 am

Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.


I dunno, 12 game is such a small sample size. I saw one scouting report claim his numbers comped to Jalen Green. Horse hockey on that claim. Jalen had good shooting %'s compared to Jaden. Thing is, Jalen's numbers in the pros were nearly identical on slightly lower %'s and Jalen had a lot more athleticism to boost himself. None of this is making Hardy appealing to me. Yes, an 88% FT rate suggests he should translate to the NBA 3, but damn 27% on nearly 7 attempts a game is... no bueno.

That's not even taking into account that he isn't developed defensively. I just don't see how a chucker with no defense finds consistent playing time with "angry old man Rivers."

Moore you could argue started at Duke as a super freshman, merely 18 years of age. That's a tough age to try and go to Duke where Coach K stopped giving a damn about coaching and developing players ages ago. It's actually kind of funny, when Coach K coached his players ended up primarily being busts in the pro's or at least falling fall short of their draft expectations. But since he stopped caring, his guys kinda turned into the Calipari guard thing where Duke wing's seem to exceed expectations.

I'd also be down for Jalen Williams. I just want a legitimate freaking wing, is that so much to ask?
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1245 » by Black Mage » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:04 am

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Black Mage wrote:Anyone else find it kind of odd that Pompey has only reported on a single workout day? I mean, aren't we allowed a certain number of players to come in and workout per draft period?

Morey who always wants as much info as he can have doesn't seem like the type to just skip out on a chance to evaluate young cheap players.


They worked out more guys.

Keon Ellis, Jordan Hall and Kendall Brown if I can recall. And some less known guys that sounds like UDFA scouting.

Was reported though that Morey and co. have been travelling for evals as opposed to hosting. Jojo lives in that workout facility though, I think it's really funny that he just happened to be around to watch Hardy.

The story on Redick was that when he signed here in FA at midnight he came to the facility to be shown around and Joel was just there hanging out and getting in some late summer work. Brett pulled them both onto the court, Joel in slippers and JJ in dress shoes and ran some DHO's and the rest was history. The most unstoppable two man game in the NBA was born.


Those workouts all came on the same day if I am not mistaken.

I miss JJ.
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Post#1246 » by DCasey91 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:05 am







3 favourites from this draft. Pro ready, got the tools and the skills. I want one that’s not too much to ask it?
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Post#1247 » by Black Mage » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:06 am

Kobblehead wrote:Call me crazy, because I don't think he has nearly as much upside, but I would still rather have Wendell Moore over Jaden Hardy.


BTW, this should truly freak out our boards, I think this is the first time in at least 5 years that Kobble and I are in lockstep agreement on draft prospects (caveat, I still haven't caught up on McGowens).
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Post#1248 » by Mik317 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:11 am

The Unite team this year wasn't as good as last years IIRC...especially spacing wise.
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Post#1249 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:16 am

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Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.


I dunno, 12 game is such a small sample size. I saw one scouting report claim his numbers comped to Jalen Green. Horse hockey on that claim. Jalen had good shooting %'s compared to Jaden. Thing is, Jalen's numbers in the pros were nearly identical on slightly lower %'s and Jalen had a lot more athleticism to boost himself. None of this is making Hardy appealing to me. Yes, an 88% FT rate suggests he should translate to the NBA 3, but damn 27% on nearly 7 attempts a game is... no bueno.

That's not even taking into account that he isn't developed defensively. I just don't see how a chucker with no defense finds consistent playing time with "angry old man Rivers."

Moore you could argue started at Duke as a super freshman, merely 18 years of age. That's a tough age to try and go to Duke where Coach K stopped giving a damn about coaching and developing players ages ago. It's actually kind of funny, when Coach K coached his players ended up primarily being busts in the pro's or at least falling fall short of their draft expectations. But since he stopped caring, his guys kinda turned into the Calipari guard thing where Duke wing's seem to exceed expectations.

I'd also be down for Jalen Williams. I just want a legitimate freaking wing, is that so much to ask?


Yea, they aren’t the same person. So it’s not surprising they didn’t share the same experience. Hardy needed more time before he was ready to take on professional basketball players. You know who else needed that at the same age? Wendell Moore. (I’m also a Wendell Moore fan)
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Post#1250 » by Kobblehead » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:43 am

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Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.


I dunno, 12 game is such a small sample size. I saw one scouting report claim his numbers comped to Jalen Green. Horse hockey on that claim. Jalen had good shooting %'s compared to Jaden. Thing is, Jalen's numbers in the pros were nearly identical on slightly lower %'s and Jalen had a lot more athleticism to boost himself. None of this is making Hardy appealing to me. Yes, an 88% FT rate suggests he should translate to the NBA 3, but damn 27% on nearly 7 attempts a game is... no bueno.

That's not even taking into account that he isn't developed defensively. I just don't see how a chucker with no defense finds consistent playing time with "angry old man Rivers."

Moore you could argue started at Duke as a super freshman, merely 18 years of age. That's a tough age to try and go to Duke where Coach K stopped giving a damn about coaching and developing players ages ago. It's actually kind of funny, when Coach K coached his players ended up primarily being busts in the pro's or at least falling fall short of their draft expectations. But since he stopped caring, his guys kinda turned into the Calipari guard thing where Duke wing's seem to exceed expectations.

I'd also be down for Jalen Williams. I just want a legitimate freaking wing, is that so much to ask?

Also keep in mind that Tankathon has bad information on Hardy's stats.

He shot 76.3% from the line through the full 21 game season.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Jaden-Hardy/Summary/126838

I fell for the 88% stuff earlier in the year and then I saw his full stats and his shooting projection took a nose-dive for me.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1251 » by Madd Squabbles » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:00 am

stormi wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.



Top 10 talent to me personally. He has all the tools to be an elite shooter and creator off the dribble coupled with high school pedigree and a +5 wingspan.

At 19 having elite off the catch shooting numbers on NBA lines and superstar free throw shooting percentages make him super interesting.

That's Jordan Poole redux.


I like Hardy. I really do. But we have drafted 3 shooting guards in the last 2 years. I can't remember the last time we drafted a small forward. I'm usually a fan of drafting the best player available but we have a HUGE glaring need at small forward. I believe that Hardy will be a very good player but if Dalen Terry is on the board he almost has to be the pick. If you count Kork and Harden as shooting guards we have 7 shooting guards currently on the team right now. If we draft another one and there is a comparable forward on the board I will lose it!
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Post#1252 » by Madd Squabbles » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:10 am

DCasey91 wrote:Please for the love of god (only if Adrian Griffin doesn’t go inside the top 10), package the pick, Thybulle and whatever else and nab our set and forget wing for the future. It’s been our second biggest list building problem (1st obv PG and that’s done)

In fact I don’t care what it would take this might be our last chance for a long long time. Just get him I love him and I do have a great strike rate with this. Advanced stats darling/great impact indicators across the board. Basically the most valuable position nowadays. He’s the real deal. He was in fact the best Junior in national team meetups pre injury.

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You would have to trade Maxey to get up high enough to draft Griffin. Do you really want him THAT badly!?!
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Post#1253 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:19 am

Revision of a previous trade I suggested:

Tobi, Matisse, 23rd

for

Hayward, PJ Washington, #15 (Malaki Branham)

Charlotte gets a veteran, a 2nd team all defense, and keeps a first.

We get a quality C&S 3 point shooter with some playmaking ability, a high effort PF with some remaining untapped potential, and Malaki Branham, a guy who should probably be the fifth pick in this draft.
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Post#1254 » by SixthStreet » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:40 am

I'm only checking out YouTube highlights for scouting but I'd much rather have Wesley over Hardy if we are going with a 6'5 wing-y guard.
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Post#1255 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:01 am

Madd Squabbles wrote:
stormi wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.



Top 10 talent to me personally. He has all the tools to be an elite shooter and creator off the dribble coupled with high school pedigree and a +5 wingspan.

At 19 having elite off the catch shooting numbers on NBA lines and superstar free throw shooting percentages make him super interesting.

That's Jordan Poole redux.


I like Hardy. I really do. But we have drafted 3 shooting guards in the last 2 years. I can't remember the last time we drafted a small forward. I'm usually a fan of drafting the best player available but we have a HUGE glaring need at small forward. I believe that Hardy will be a very good player but if Dalen Terry is on the board he almost has to be the pick. If you count Kork and Harden as shooting guards we have 7 shooting guards currently on the team right now. If we draft another one and there is a comparable forward on the board I will lose it!


Dalen Terry is like the same size as Shake Milton and smaller than Kork. What makes him a SF over those guys?

Also, if BPA is a SF, then great, but we shouldn't draft any guy because of need, in my opinion. No one in the last draft did anything of consequence in the playoffs from #23 and other than Bones Hyland (a guard).
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1256 » by stormi » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:12 am

Madd Squabbles wrote:
stormi wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Going from a top 3 player in his HS class to a pick in the 20s is exactly what Jaden Hardy needs. It seems he has all the talent, but he needs a wakeup call. It's clear he has advanced offensive ability, I just think he wasn't ready to be playing against pros at his age. I still attest he would have cooked in the NCAA and still be a projected top 10 pick if he was a 44+ FG% and 88 FT% with good STL%.



Top 10 talent to me personally. He has all the tools to be an elite shooter and creator off the dribble coupled with high school pedigree and a +5 wingspan.

At 19 having elite off the catch shooting numbers on NBA lines and superstar free throw shooting percentages make him super interesting.

That's Jordan Poole redux.


I like Hardy. I really do. But we have drafted 3 shooting guards in the last 2 years. I can't remember the last time we drafted a small forward. I'm usually a fan of drafting the best player available but we have a HUGE glaring need at small forward. I believe that Hardy will be a very good player but if Dalen Terry is on the board he almost has to be the pick. If you count Kork and Harden as shooting guards we have 7 shooting guards currently on the team right now. If we draft another one and there is a comparable forward on the board I will lose it!


Terry is on my DND list. I just don't see any sort of high end scoring upside and that shot looks busted beyond belief. Being that much of a raw project as a college sophomore just doesn't intrigue me. I like too many other guys.

Also drafting for positional need <
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Post#1257 » by Kobblehead » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:20 pm

I just keep circling back to Josh Minott.

A 6'8" 210 athlete with elite defensive metrics. And free throw shooting in the mid 70 percent range. He's definitely a future playoff rotation player in that he's an impact defender that (in the very least) can tread water on offense.

Only negatives are that he's a 20 year old freshman and he was the 9th guy in the rotation at Memphis.
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Post#1258 » by mjkvol » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:24 pm

Black Mage wrote:Anyone else find it kind of odd that Pompey has only reported on a single workout day? I mean, aren't we allowed a certain number of players to come in and workout per draft period?

Morey who always wants as much info as he can have doesn't seem like the type to just skip out on a chance to evaluate young cheap players.


Definitely leads one to believe the pick will be made by whoever the trade partner is that we're moving the pick to as part of a deal. Too much smoke about Green + #23 to believe there's no fire.
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Post#1259 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:30 pm

If Keegan Murray isn't the most Kings pick, I don't know what is. He's not as horrendous as picks they made in years past, but he's very clearly not going to become a star in this league. They're smart to try and trade the pick because they are not to be trusted to make the right selection.
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Post#1260 » by Mik317 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:51 pm

was going to make an Ionian Harrison Barnes joke...but Barnes is literally from Iowa lol

so they will simply have two Harrison Barneses
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