Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[UnFadeable21]

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[Negrodamus]

Maybe I'm being naive right now, but I'm still not overly worried about getting something in return for simmons. Let him sit and wait it out the first few weeks of the regular season. When a handful teams start 5-10 and get desperate to shake things up quick, SOMEBODY will take a gamble on him, no?

T'Wolves, Kings, Pelicans are the teams to watch. You can't be trying to build a playoff team for 5+ years and just suck every year. Suns dug themselves out of it by making big moves like CP3. All three aforementioned teams are running the same squad back, some with less pieces than they had before (Pelicans).

Fox, Ant Davis, and Ingram are the guys I'm paying attention to.

[Eyeamok]

Maybe I'm being naive right now, but I'm still not overly worried about getting something in return for simmons. Let him sit and wait it out the first few weeks of the regular season. When a handful teams start 5-10 and get desperate to shake things up quick, SOMEBODY will take a gamble on him, no?

T'Wolves, Kings, Pelicans are the teams to watch. You can't be trying to build a playoff team for 5+ years and just suck every year. Suns dug themselves out of it by making big moves like CP3. All three aforementioned teams are running the same squad back, some with less pieces than they had before (Pelicans).

Fox, Ant Davis, and Ingram are the guys I'm paying attention to.

You are 100% correct. I hope we beat the socks off the Pelicans tomorrow. That's a good start.

[Mik317]

did shams mention he was wearing sweatpants?

he was in Jeans and Timbs

so you know he meant business

[Philly's Best]

did shams mention he was wearing sweatpants?

he was in Jeans and Timbs

so you know he meant business

[Skates]

Simmons is immature, but not in a getting in trouble off the court way, he isn't attacking teammates, getting arrested, beating women, no drug or substance issues and other than being a weird emo guy in some ways, he has in the past worked really hard on and off the court, even has a nasty disposition on court at times. His immaturity is not laziness, but a lack of the ability to stretch himself to the point where failures are likely to happen and should. Hence he works very hard at improving what he is already good to excellent at and does not work (hard work and the right kind of work are two different things) at improving and then applying his weaker skills.

Would a team want him as an alpha dog? Maybe as your best defender, but not overall. He is a good fit in the right situation, either a team with a core that needs his strengths, which are considerable, and cover his weaknesses, or some smaller market with lazily cheering fans and low expectations. Maybe in the latter situation he would be willing to shoot from distance (ie anything greater than 6 feet out) and expand his game, knowing that looking bad at something won't get him judged by a desperate and/or just happy to be there and distracted by other things fan base and media.

So yes, he is still very valuable, but not to every team or city for certain. His representation is as much the problem here as Simmons and the Sixers/Philly are, since they appear to have assured him he could just hold out and still get his money back after a trade and now that they learned he can't, he is back in a super awkward situation that he isn't ready to handle and one he previously thought he never had to deal with, thanks to Klutch miscalculating.

The League and owners are behind the Sixers on this one, Simmons is the guy they want to draw the line in the sand on given how many years and how much money he is signed for. He is kind of a weird guy who was never made to stand up and be a man for himself, has a lot of growing up to do and needs representation or at least a mentor that he will listen to and that gives it to him straight.

Bro I mean really now. I could get behind the idea of someone not getting arrested, beating women, doing drugs, or having real hardcore problems being a desirable trait in an employee.

*REFUSING TO DO YOUR JOB* is an absolutely impossible thing to reconcile ACROSS THE BOARD, ACROSS THE PLANET, ACROSS THE KNOWN OR UNKNOWN UNIVERSE, Period, Point Blank, Full Stop.

If someone is an employee of KFC, and has never gotten arrested, never beaten a women, never done a drug, but refuses to FRY THE FREAKING CHICKEN, Sorry son, you gotta go!

If someone is an Electrician, and has never gotten arrested, never beaten a women, never done a drug, but REFUSES TO CONNECT THE WIRES, Sorry son, you gotta go!

Why would it be any different for a multiple-hundreds-of-millions-paid Professional Athlete?!

This freaking spoiled brat punk-ass-bitch needs to be proscribed from Professional Sports. There is only so many chances someone can be extended. He's got to go. Go have fun Keeping Up With The Kardashians, but you do not get to Pass Go, Do Not Collect Hundreds Of Millions Of Dollars For Refusing To Play A Child's Game.

I mean really now, has society lowered the bar so low?!

You are presuming super wealthy people have ever answered or adhered to the same set of expectations and rules that the rest of us do. I know plenty of people who are extremely wealthy, hire working class folks to do some job or project for them, then refuse to pay or only partly pay and tell the guy/gal who did the work and didn't get paid to sue them for it. I love your take on this and does it make sense, sure, in the world most of us live in. Nothing about professional athletics at the major league level is anything like a life we lead. This is rich people crap, don't go painting them with the brush everyone else gets painted with or vice versa, they are two entirely different planes of existence, totally different rules and expectations that apply.

The difference here is that the wealthiest usually have a ton of leverage, owners leverage cities for new stadiums and arenas, players and teams and marketing/broadcast folks leverage each other to get every last dollar possible out of our pockets, and players leverage contract situations to get themselves traded...but that is the thing, Simmons has no leverage here, Rich Paul over reached (while ignoring some of his lesser paid clients no doubt) and Simmons and he have now put themselves in a position that is well beyond any leverage they thought they had.

Also, what pisses people off in Philly, and rightfully so, is pretty meh in other places, especially if you are the receiving team and have the version of the guy ready to play and happy to be there, I'm not saying it is right, but it is reality, no matter how warped the reality of super wealthy owners and players might seem to those of us that work for a living. Oddly enough I can't remember dating a string of models, super models and reality TV starlets, how about you? It may be stupid and annoying different, but their lives and existences are very different from ours, and I totally feel your outrage and don't disagree with it.

[SixthStreet]

I'm pretty sure this all will work itself out in terms of a trade that Morey finds satisfactory. The contract is a heavy dose of team leverage and it sure looks like the Sixers are digging in to weaponize it by issuing suspensions and fines as opposed to sending him home.

This new "tactic" by Klutch will end just as poorly as all their other gambits.

[Skates]

Maybe I'm being naive right now, but I'm still not overly worried about getting something in return for simmons. Let him sit and wait it out the first few weeks of the regular season. When a handful teams start 5-10 and get desperate to shake things up quick, SOMEBODY will take a gamble on him, no?

T'Wolves, Kings, Pelicans are the teams to watch. You can't be trying to build a playoff team for 5+ years and just suck every year. Suns dug themselves out of it by making big moves like CP3. All three aforementioned teams are running the same squad back, some with less pieces than they had before (Pelicans).

Fox, Ant Davis, and Ingram are the guys I'm paying attention to.

You are 100% correct. I hope we beat the socks off the Pelicans tomorrow. That's a good start.

Really wish we had picked up a solid vet PG this offseason, allow Shake (when healthy) to play more off the ball, not overstretch Maxey's learning the PG position too soon and not be as Simmons dependent as we are without one.

[Ferry Avenue]

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The right approch imho. Doesn't matter how it will end...at this point ii's the only approch.
Ball in the court of Simmons and Rich

No one will trade that for him. He's neither a cornerstone to build a team around, nor a player that can get a team over the championship hump. Teams aren't stupid.

[GoSixersBro]

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The right approch imho. Doesn't matter how it will end...at this point ii's the only approch.
Ball in the court of Simmons and Rich

No one will trade that for him. He's neither a cornerstone to build a team around, nor a player that can get a team over the championship hump. Teams aren't stupid.

No, trust me bro. Blazers are going to start the season off shaky and Lillard will demand a trade to play with Embiid by December. Source? None, but trust me, bro.

[Eyeamok]

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"3. The report on defending Simmons in the half-court is well known and has been utilized effectively in recent weeks. Teams are putting smaller players on Simmons, backing off him and daring him to shoot. Simmons seems to have zero confidence in his outside shot and becomes passive when guarded this way."

Wow Just wow...Who drafted this bum ?

[Samson]

did shams mention he was wearing sweatpants?

he was in Jeans and Timbs

so you know he meant business

Mik I'm not busting your balls here, I am honestly serious - is that the truth or are you joking? Because if he showed up to practice in jeans & Timbs, *HE REALLY HAS GOT TO GO...*

Now I live in FL but spent ?33-34?+ years of my life about ~30 mins outside Philly and of course a couple-a-few years in Central/Western PA if you know what I mean. Jeans & Timbs are one of my favorite things in the world to wear (I don't get to wear them but once or twice a year, if we're lucky, because it's 90+ degrees minimum for 10+ months out of the year, and most years, the months it's NOT 90+ degrees, it's still shorts weather...) - but from the age of 18 to about the time I moved down here, I used to have at *least* 10 pairs of Timbs at all times... I'd buy at least one new pair a year and almost never get rid of a pair, just use them for less-dressy-stuff etc. (if people don't know, they're one of the finest constructed footwear available. You might scratch or scuff them and they *look* less than brand new, but they last almost forever. The Croc Hunter said he was bit by a croc 2 times - both on the foot/ankle, both times wearing Timberlands boots, and neither time did the crocodile penetrate the boot. Broke bones from the impact, but he succinctly said, he'd never wear a different brand on the job. They're the best. And , of course, incidentally, for the rest of us normal people, quite fashionable...)

I was never good at basketball but I was a wrestler (they're incompatible. You can't be good at basketball if you're a wrestler. it's like a rule.) - but if I showed up to practice wearing jeans & Timbs, I am not sure I would have been allowed back in the room. In fact, I am certain - when I blew my knee ( twice) and pretty much missed 2 seasons in a row, my Coach told me to STOP coming to the room in civvies ... does no good for me, does no good for the teammates actually busting their balls on the mats. Go home, join a club after school, get a job, but don't come here until you're cleared back on the mats.

If he was really in jeans & Timbs, he doesn't just have to go, he needs to go to a Psychiatrist. There can be no excuse made for this.

[fkd215]

I agree with Morey’s stance of holding the line. But in the end, I don’t see how this works out well for the sixers. The only good outcome from Morey’s POV is getting a fair return on Ben. But Ben has torched his value, making that less and less likely. And it's not reasonable or doesn’t benefit us in any way to hold onto him for 4 years. So at some point we’ll have to consider him a sunk cost and accept the best trade the market offers.

For Ben, he is going to get his desired outcome – a trade – sooner or later. So it looks to me like he wins this skirmish in the short term. Where I see him losing long term is when it comes time for his next contract. I can’t see anyone making a big financial commitment to him ever again.

And there will be big implications for the power of agents, for whether NBA contracts mean anything, and for the next CBA I bet.

Seems like all the Sixers can do now is to try to save face, hold him for awhile to show they’re not going to just knuckle under, and then trade him for whatever package some desperate team will offer. (Hopefully I’m wrong about this, but…)

[Mik317]

T'Wolves, Kings, Pelicans are the teams to watch. You can't be trying to build a playoff team for 5+ years and just suck every year. Suns dug themselves out of it by making big moves like CP3. All three aforementioned teams are running the same squad back, some with less pieces than they had before (Pelicans).

Fox, Ant Davis, and Ingram are the guys I'm paying attention to.

You are 100% correct. I hope we beat the socks off the Pelicans tomorrow. That's a good start.

Really wish we had picked up a solid vet PG this offseason, allow Shake (when healthy) to play more off the ball, not overstretch Maxey's learning the PG position too soon and not be as Simmons dependent as we are without one.

we have Point Korklord now

Ben is actually being a great teammate for allowing us to unleash the Kork

[SixthStreet]

Actually in this instance, I think Simmons probably went off script. If he were smart what he should do is join the drill so he can claim there was no insubordination, ergo no basis for suspension. Effort is much more nebulous and harder to claim "conduct detrimental to the club". Flat saying no to a drill from the coach is a pretty cut and dried case for suspension.

I think the Sixers know that Simmons is pretty much going to keep screwing himself over one way or another.

[Mik317]

did shams mention he was wearing sweatpants?

he was in Jeans and Timbs

so you know he meant business

Mik I'm not busting your balls here, I am honestly serious - is that the truth or are you joking? Because if he showed up to practice in jeans & Timbs, *HE REALLY HAS GOT TO GO...*

Now I live in FL but spent ?33-34?+ years of my life about ~30 mins outside Philly and of course a couple-a-few years in Central/Western PA if you know what I mean. Jeans & Timbs are one of my favorite things in the world to wear (I don't get to wear them but once or twice a year, if we're lucky, because it's 90+ degrees minimum for 10+ months out of the year, and most years, the months it's NOT 90+ degrees, it's still shorts weather...) - but from the age of 18 to about the time I moved down here, I used to have at *least* 10 pairs of Timbs at all times... I'd buy at least one new pair a year and almost never get rid of a pair, just use them for less-dressy-stuff etc. (if people don't know, they're one of the finest constructed footwear available. You might scratch or scuff them and they *look* less than brand new, but they last almost forever. The Croc Hunter said he was bit by a croc 2 times - both on the foot/ankle, both times wearing Timberlands boots, and neither time did the crocodile penetrate the boot. Broke bones from the impact, but he succinctly said, he'd never wear a different brand on the job. They're the best. And , of course, incidentally, for the rest of us normal people, quite fashionable...)

I was never good at basketball but I was a wrestler (they're incompatible. You can't be good at basketball if you're a wrestler. it's like a rule.) - but if I showed up to practice wearing jeans & Timbs, I am not sure I would have been allowed back in the room. In fact, I am certain - when I blew my knee ( twice) and pretty much missed 2 seasons in a row, my Coach told me to STOP coming to the room in civvies ... does no good for me, does no good for the teammates actually busting their balls on the mats. Go home, join a club after school, get a job, but don't come here until you're cleared back on the mats.

If he was really in jeans & Timbs, he doesn't just have to go, he needs to go to a Psychiatrist. There can be no excuse made for this.

It twas a joke.

but considering how things are going I question that too

[Samson]

It twas a joke.

but considering how things are going I question that too

Fair enough, you had me freaking steamed up.

I saw how Doc and Joel etc. wouldn't talk about what happened, I figured *THIS* was it, and I was like, Oh no, just hell no, this freaking guy has *GOT TO GO*.

[Stanford]

i to love genes n tims

[kriss73]

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The right approch imho. Doesn't matter how it will end...at this point ii's the only approch.
Ball in the court of Simmons and Rich

No one will trade that for him. He's neither a cornerstone to build a team around, nor a player that can get a team over the championship hump. Teams aren't stupid.

So there is no hurry to trade him: a role player for him will always be available.

[NYSixersFan]

Morey must be patient. Nobody is desperate yet. Give it 10-20 games.