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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1261 » by jbent87 » Fri May 26, 2017 5:47 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:But if Okafor is on the team he won't get much playing time. Let's assume Embiid plays 32 minutes. That's 16 minutes left and Holmes is getting all of those minutes. Okafor will get a lot of DNPs. Just get rid of him.


but Embiid isn't playing back to backs. Those games Holmes will take the 32 mpg, so Okafor could come in handy showing glimpses in limited 16 mpg.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1262 » by HotelVitale » Fri May 26, 2017 6:37 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I just don't want Okafor on the team anymore. I hate watching him play too. Just pay another team to take him off our hands.

All due respect, the team don't make strategic decisions based on your aesthetic preferences, and we on the boards can't really argue or engage with them. Not all that helpful to just say that you're just annoyed by someone's existence.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1263 » by Unbreakable99 » Fri May 26, 2017 7:12 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote:I just don't want Okafor on the team anymore. I hate watching him play too. Just pay another team to take him off our hands.

All due respect, the team don't make strategic decisions based on your aesthetic preferences, and we on the boards can't really argue or engage with them. Not all that helpful to just say that you're just annoyed by someone's existence.


Lol. This made me laugh out loud lol. Okafor's existence as a human being doesn't annoy me. Okafor on the Sixers annoys me. I'm just tired of him on the team.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1264 » by TTP » Fri May 26, 2017 8:58 pm

76ciology wrote:FWIW, I think he'll be much better next season as a player and because of team's situation. So I'm not in a hurry to trade him but definitely don't see him on this team long term EVEN IF HE MORE THAN LIVES UP TO HIS POTENTIAL. I'm not in favor of overpaying for centers, except if it's EMBIID.

Let other teams overpay centers and figure their way out to be a LEGIT contender with that roster/cap structure.


You need to realize that at the beginning of the season, we need to decide whether to pick up his 4th year option for the following season. So if you're trying to hold on to him for his potential or to try and trade him later, you're picking that up.

However, I really don't think he's going to be worth the 6.3 million he'd cost next season and I can't see us giving him an extension. If we decline the option though, you lose trade value because a team isn't going to pay for him without receiving the contract upside.

From that perspective, we actually are in a hurry to trade him.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1265 » by TTP » Fri May 26, 2017 9:01 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote:But if Okafor is on the team he won't get much playing time. Let's assume Embiid plays 32 minutes. That's 16 minutes left and Holmes is getting all of those minutes. Okafor will get a lot of DNPs. Just get rid of him.


but Embiid isn't playing back to backs. Those games Holmes will take the 32 mpg, so Okafor could come in handy showing glimpses in limited 16 mpg.


Showing glimpses of being terrible??? We're seriously advocating doing this again after the last two seasons?

Shawn Long and/or some other big prospect we potentially draft should be getting those extra minutes.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1266 » by Kobblehead » Fri May 26, 2017 9:24 pm

Okafor has the most loyal fanbase ever.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1267 » by XtremeDunkz » Fri May 26, 2017 10:06 pm

jbent87 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:But if Okafor is on the team he won't get much playing time. Let's assume Embiid plays 32 minutes. That's 16 minutes left and Holmes is getting all of those minutes. Okafor will get a lot of DNPs. Just get rid of him.


but Embiid isn't playing back to backs. Those games Holmes will take the 32 mpg, so Okafor could come in handy showing glimpses in limited 16 mpg.


Where do you get Embiid isn't playing back to backs? I am pretty sure I heard no one will have restrictions at all next season.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1268 » by Aussiepiston1 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:09 am

while he might not ever develop into a lock down defender or an elite rebounder, I still think he can develop a 3pt shot, play good team defense and be an above average rebounder.
I know a lot of people have given up on him but the YOUNG guy wants to be great and has a good attitude so I'll take my chances with keeping him around to see if He improves once healthy unless We can get fair value for him.
What youre getting now won't have the same upside so theres no need to rush, just let his contract expire if He doesnt improve.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1269 » by LloydFree » Sat May 27, 2017 2:36 am

Kobblehead wrote:Okafor has the most loyal fanbase ever.

He doesn't really have a fanbase. Just a bunch of guys that can't admit they were wrong about their assessment of him.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1270 » by timLH » Sat May 27, 2017 5:03 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:But if Okafor is on the team he won't get much playing time. Let's assume Embiid plays 32 minutes. That's 16 minutes left and Holmes is getting all of those minutes. Okafor will get a lot of DNPs. Just get rid of him.

To be fair, I'm disappointed on Okafor this season performance too, but I rather keep him than give him up for nothing. and I don't think Embiid can play 32 minutes a game. and I think Holmes is more a PF.
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Post#1271 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 1:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Okafor has the most loyal fanbase ever.


That is just flat out untrue. There are few if any of us who supported Okafor who still have the same opinion of him. It's merit based. I do feel that Okafor deserves criticism but as you see in the responses here it rises to another level from lets say how Utah fans feel about Exum or how Laker fans feel about Russell or how Nugget fans feel about Mudiay.

I think there is a very obvious reason for that. He displaced their flattop god. They blame him for the loss of their glorious leader. For me it's due to basketball reasons. I see a guy who is immensely talented but refuses to give effort on the court and do the necessary things to be successful. That makes me angry.

I think we should look to move him if we can get decent value in return if not we should look to see if we can rebuild some of his value. If we are going to get nothing for him then sit him at the end of the bench and make him earn his minutes. It's what whomever traded for him would be doing anyways. I don't really see the reason to trade him for nothing I'd rather just let him flame out if that was going to be the case. If we can get a similarly broken player at a position of need like PG/SG that would be preferable too. For example if the Lakers like Ball draft him and decide to move Russell.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1272 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:10 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Okafor has the most loyal fanbase ever.


That is just flat out untrue. There are few if any of us who supported Okafor who still have the same opinion of him. It's merit based. I do feel that Okafor deserves criticism but as you see in the responses here it rises to another level from lets say how Utah fans feel about Exum or how Laker fans feel about Russell or how Nugget fans feel about Mudiay.

I think there is a very obvious reason for that. He displaced their flattop god. They blame him for the loss of their glorious leader. For me it's due to basketball reasons. I see a guy who is immensely talented but refuses to give effort on the court and do the necessary things to be successful. That makes me angry.

I think we should look to move him if we can get decent value in return if not we should look to see if we can rebuild some of his value. If we are going to get nothing for him then sit him at the end of the bench and make him earn his minutes. It's what whomever traded for him would be doing anyways. I don't really see the reason to trade him for nothing I'd rather just let him flame out if that was going to be the case. If we can get a similarly broken player at a position of need like PG/SG that would be preferable too. For example if the Lakers like Ball draft him and decide to move Russell.


What would you consider getting decent value?
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1273 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 2:13 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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Kobblehead wrote:Okafor has the most loyal fanbase ever.


That is just flat out untrue. There are few if any of us who supported Okafor who still have the same opinion of him. It's merit based. I do feel that Okafor deserves criticism but as you see in the responses here it rises to another level from lets say how Utah fans feel about Exum or how Laker fans feel about Russell or how Nugget fans feel about Mudiay.

I think there is a very obvious reason for that. He displaced their flattop god. They blame him for the loss of their glorious leader. For me it's due to basketball reasons. I see a guy who is immensely talented but refuses to give effort on the court and do the necessary things to be successful. That makes me angry.

I think we should look to move him if we can get decent value in return if not we should look to see if we can rebuild some of his value. If we are going to get nothing for him then sit him at the end of the bench and make him earn his minutes. It's what whomever traded for him would be doing anyways. I don't really see the reason to trade him for nothing I'd rather just let him flame out if that was going to be the case. If we can get a similarly broken player at a position of need like PG/SG that would be preferable too. For example if the Lakers like Ball draft him and decide to move Russell.


What would you consider getting decent value?


Good value would be a mid first pick. Decent value late first.
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Post#1274 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:21 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
That is just flat out untrue. There are few if any of us who supported Okafor who still have the same opinion of him. It's merit based. I do feel that Okafor deserves criticism but as you see in the responses here it rises to another level from lets say how Utah fans feel about Exum or how Laker fans feel about Russell or how Nugget fans feel about Mudiay.

I think there is a very obvious reason for that. He displaced their flattop god. They blame him for the loss of their glorious leader. For me it's due to basketball reasons. I see a guy who is immensely talented but refuses to give effort on the court and do the necessary things to be successful. That makes me angry.

I think we should look to move him if we can get decent value in return if not we should look to see if we can rebuild some of his value. If we are going to get nothing for him then sit him at the end of the bench and make him earn his minutes. It's what whomever traded for him would be doing anyways. I don't really see the reason to trade him for nothing I'd rather just let him flame out if that was going to be the case. If we can get a similarly broken player at a position of need like PG/SG that would be preferable too. For example if the Lakers like Ball draft him and decide to move Russell.


What would you consider getting decent value?


Good value would be a mid first pick. Decent value late first.


I think it's very unlikely any team would give up a midfirst just for Okafor. A team MIGHT give up a pick 25 or later but I think even that is unlikely. I think best case for Okafor in a lone trade just including him would be a high second round pick. Something like pick 38.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1275 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 2:46 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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What would you consider getting decent value?


Good value would be a mid first pick. Decent value late first.


I think it's very unlikely any team would give up a midfirst just for Okafor. A team MIGHT give up a pick 25 or later but I think even that is unlikely. I think best case for Okafor in a lone trade just including him would be a high second round pick. Something like pick 38.


You aren't going get someone at pick 38 with anywhere near the talent of Okafor. Thats not decent value.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1276 » by TTP » Sat May 27, 2017 3:01 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Okafor has the most loyal fanbase ever.


That is just flat out untrue. There are few if any of us who supported Okafor who still have the same opinion of him. It's merit based. I do feel that Okafor deserves criticism but as you see in the responses here it rises to another level from lets say how Utah fans feel about Exum or how Laker fans feel about Russell or how Nugget fans feel about Mudiay.

I think there is a very obvious reason for that. He displaced their flattop god. They blame him for the loss of their glorious leader. For me it's due to basketball reasons. I see a guy who is immensely talented but refuses to give effort on the court and do the necessary things to be successful. That makes me angry.

I think we should look to move him if we can get decent value in return if not we should look to see if we can rebuild some of his value. If we are going to get nothing for him then sit him at the end of the bench and make him earn his minutes. It's what whomever traded for him would be doing anyways. I don't really see the reason to trade him for nothing I'd rather just let him flame out if that was going to be the case. If we can get a similarly broken player at a position of need like PG/SG that would be preferable too. For example if the Lakers like Ball draft him and decide to move Russell.


I'm still waiting for a member of the "hold on and let him rebuild his value" crowd to address the 4th year option situation. You want to invest 6.3 million in a guy for the 2018-19 season that is going to be at best the third string center and is almost certainly never getting an extension? We have to make a decision on that option at the start of this season (one year prior to the option kicking in).

It's even more ridiculous when you claim that you are only willing to give Covington 10-12 million, but you are willing to spend 6.3 million on a guy that isn't going to get minutes and has a chance of being cut.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1277 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat May 27, 2017 3:20 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Good value would be a mid first pick. Decent value late first.


I think it's very unlikely any team would give up a midfirst just for Okafor. A team MIGHT give up a pick 25 or later but I think even that is unlikely. I think best case for Okafor in a lone trade just including him would be a high second round pick. Something like pick 38.


You aren't going get someone at pick 38 with anywhere near the talent of Okafor. Thats not decent value.


Yes you can. Brogdon went in the second round. Holmes was something like pick 39 or something and is better than Okafor. There's a lot of talent in the second round in this draft. I'd rather get a player like Josh Hart with pick 38 than keep Okafor. I'm probably being generous with pick 38 in a draft this deep.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1278 » by J_LA » Sat May 27, 2017 4:33 pm

This kid needs a change of scenery. San Antonio would be great
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Post#1279 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat May 27, 2017 4:36 pm

J_LA wrote:This kid needs a change of scenery. San Antonio would be great


I don't care where he goes. Just get out of here.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1280 » by 76ciology » Sat May 27, 2017 5:00 pm

J_LA wrote:This kid needs a change of scenery. San Antonio would be great


Aside from Spurs, what other teams out there?

Maybe Warriors where he can play David West type role with a Draymond/KD or Iggy at wing? Since Lakers are trying to run a similar system, maybe he also fit with LA? They can run him at C with Ingram/Nance at wings.

Celts can use a similar non-rim protector and offensive C off the bench. Maybe for one of their stash last year?

Bulls also look like a good fit with Jimmy at the wing. Okafor-Mirotic frontcourt with Wade-Butler at the wings? They are 5th worst in ISO ppp. If defense drops, there's always Rondo and Portis to help?

Hornets also a poor ISO scoring team. They already are used to Zeller at C with good defensive wings of Batum&MKG.

Grizz struggles on ISO. Maybe a protege for either one of Gasol or Zach?

Mahinmi was useless in the play-offs. Don't think Jah could do much worse on D.

Rox can use him as substitute for the aging Nene.

Back-up for Nurkic to provide instant scoring whenever their backcourt seats, then just have ET-Aminu-Harkless at wings as support?

Just exploring potential trade partners. Not change of scenery but more of change of role. No more expecting him to be special but more of trying to make him useful which he CAN.
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