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2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1261 » by kriss73 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:05 pm

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BigSleep333 wrote:offtopic, but i reply anyway

rewatch toronto@philly. look at lowry's facial expression when the fans chanted trust the process. i knew since that point, lowry is more than willing to come home and sees that the potential with embiid and simmons is certainly higher here than with toronto.

lowry/butler/covington/simmons/embiid...make it happen BC. nobody will score on us :D


Do you remember which quarter or when exactly in the game the "trust the process" Chants happened in?


I remember that game and the Lowry's face.
Fourth quarter, 20 seconds to end.

minute 4 of this video. What a game, what a moment.

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Post#1262 » by 76ciology » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:06 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:Here's what I think happened:

Lakers were debating Fox and Ball, and then someone gave Jackson a promise at 3.

Lakers thought "if it's boston, then Jackson won't work out for us a second time most likely, so let's have him in again to find out if Boston promised him. And if it was philly, then we want to try to trade down 1 spot and get our pick back (even though thats a no), so let's make it look like we might take Jackson since clearly they love him. Also, let's get Ball and Fultz back in here in case Boston does take Jackson."


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Post#1263 » by rzzzzz » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:11 pm

Jackson was working out in Sacramento when all this may have gone down. also possible that the Kings really want him, and the promise came from Philly, who want to trade back for 5 and 10. 'course now he's going to LA just as Ball is called in for a second time. kind of like the OK4/Russell call backs. it's a fun time.
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Post#1264 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:14 pm

no big money contracts should be added to the payroll until it is known where Lebron is playing in 2018.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1265 » by shawn_hemp » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:16 pm

all of the pre draft talk reminds me of the waterboy when the coach is like "no wait... he thinks about faking"

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Post#1266 » by OleSchool » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:18 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:no big money contracts should be added to the payroll until it is known where Lebron is playing in 2018.


Why? think LBJ is coming here??
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1267 » by kriss73 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:19 pm

kriss73 wrote:
I remember that game and the Lowry's face.
Fourth quarter, 20 seconds to end.

minute 4 of this video. What a game, what a moment.



Off topic, I didn't remember the last play: Cov guarding and blocking Lowry, then Embiid happened.
Cov can definitely guard the #1, maybe not all the game, but he can.
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Post#1268 » by Sixerscan » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:22 pm

kriss73 wrote:
kriss73 wrote:
I remember that game and the Lowry's face.
Fourth quarter, 20 seconds to end.

minute 4 of this video. What a game, what a moment.



Off topic, I didn't remember the last play: Cov guarding and blocking Lowry, then Embiid happened.
Cov can definitely guard the #1, maybe not all the game, but he can.


Arguably the play of the season.
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Post#1269 » by kriss73 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:29 pm

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Arguably the play of the season.


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Stauskas blocks, Saric coast2coast pass, Embiid dunks.

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Post#1270 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:32 pm

OleSchool wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:no big money contracts should be added to the payroll until it is known where Lebron is playing in 2018.


Why? think LBJ is coming here??


"here" is now, who knows the future? Keep the door wide open until it is closed, don't willingly close it by adding big contracts over the next year.
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Post#1271 » by KramerDSP » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:32 pm

OleSchool wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:no big money contracts should be added to the payroll until it is known where Lebron is playing in 2018.


Why? think LBJ is coming here??


I wouldn't put us as the favorites, but the narrative would be really interesting. LeBron has always trusted the process and has been complimentary of the rebuild. He is also the mentor of Ben Simmons, and he's never really played with a stud center who was in his prime.

Durant went to the team that beat him, a team that happened to already be one of the greatest teams ever.

LeBron? He goes the other way, joining the Sixers and winning championships with a team that was the laughingstock of the league? I wouldn't rule it out entirely.
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Post#1272 » by LloydFree » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:49 pm

kriss73 wrote:
kriss73 wrote:
I remember that game and the Lowry's face.
Fourth quarter, 20 seconds to end.

minute 4 of this video. What a game, what a moment.



Off topic, I didn't remember the last play: Cov guarding and blocking Lowry, then Embiid happened.
Cov can definitely guard the #1, maybe not all the game, but he can.

Everytime I see someone post here that Covington's defense isn't​ that great, I think of that play. Look at the footwork. Lowry couldn't go anywhere.
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Post#1273 » by TinyRik » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:04 pm

kriss73 wrote:Anyone but me is surprised that Fultz will have a workout with the Lakers?

He is yet the usual suspect for the #1, but he's far from a lock at this point.

By the way I think that Isaac is the best fit for the Celtics: great potential, he could play as stretch-4 with Horford (or Zizic in the future) and he could be grown as a Durant's stopper.

He would be a reach at #1, but imho he is the best fit for them.


It's weird because Simmons and Kat didn't workout for any team other than the one with the top pick. They were considered the "consensus" top guys like fultz but they knew they were going #1.

I think fultz hasn't been told he's the Celtics pick so he's making sure he doesn't drop out of the top 3,

This is why I think the lakers are sending out all these smokescreens, they don't want to let the Celtics know they really want lonzo and be held hostage if they take him #1. I think it's a real possibility that fultz drops to #3 if Celtics go jackson at #1
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1275 » by 76ciology » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:20 pm

kriss73 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
Arguably the play of the season.


This is my best play of the season: Sam Hinkie's 2014 class delivering:

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Stauskas blocks, Saric coast2coast pass, Embiid dunks.

I cried.


Imagine josh jackson blocking the shot and ben simmons throwing that pass to Embiid
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Post#1276 » by cksdayoff » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:22 pm

Eh...really don't want emboss running the fastbreak.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1277 » by LongLiveHinkie » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:29 pm

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LongLiveHinkie wrote:Jackson with that awful form still shot a better percentage than Fox, Tatum, Smith. That should say as much if not more about those prospects. It tells me at least Jackson has some type of touch and if he corrects his mechanics he could be a league average shooter from distance in the NBA.

However, Fox, Smith, Tatum's forms are pretty good, much better mechanics, but shot worse. That's scary. At least you can look at Jackson and find things to correct. If it's touch, sense of accuracy issues with Fox, Smith, Tatum then that's a bigger issue because that's an innate ability.

Exactly. And for this reason he's still my #1 other than Fultz.


No it does not say more on it's own. Scoring 34 out of 90 attempts is such a small sample size that the percentage isn't conclusive at all. I think that the combination of three point percentage, three point volume, free throw percentage, high school shooting, shooting form, footwork and consistency forms a more educated guess.

Josh Jackson has a terrible form, shooting in two motions, low release point, his footwork (especially off the catch) is atrocious and his volume, FT% and high school history is also really poor.

Fox, has historically bad 3PT% and 3PA and I'm not a fan of his form since he brings it too far back, but I like it better than Jackson's. That said, he's a far better FT shooter, shot nearly 34% out of ~500 attempts at high school from three (just one foot closer to the basket) and his footwork problems are heavily correlated to his lack of lower body strength.

Dennis Smith jr. and Jayson Tatum are overall far better bets on becoming an average three point shooter than Jackson and Fox imo, not even going to discuss their evaluations on the aforementioned points.

Note: I'm not saying that Jackson will become the worst shooter of the four prospects, just that I think the chance(!) him becoming the worst is the most significant.

LongLiveHinkie wrote:If Jackson's shot sucks, at least he'll give you other things. Defense, attack the rim, passing. I think him not shooting impacts his NBA game much less than the others. If Tatum can't shoot in the NBA he's pretty much useless. If Smith can't shoot he'll be a high volume, low efficiency player. If Fox can't shoot, he'll be a quicker faster version of Elfrid Payton.


As a prospect on itself I agree with this, but this is the point where fit matters to me. Since Simmons and Embiid are the superior prospects I don't want an inferior one holding them back. With both Simmons and Jackson on the court the spacing will be absolutely horrible, allowing at least one, probably two opponents to help off their man and clog the lanes.


It's a small sample, but it's the only sample we have. At least he shot decently from 3. Do we know for sure if he say doubled his attempts that he would have shot horribly? That we don't know. We can speculate. FT% is a concern, but not always an indicator of 3 point shooting, and I don't care about 3 point shooting in high school. For all we know he's gradually improving his jumper. I don't think that can even be factored in. All you things you listed can be corrected. That's peace of mind for me. I think he has the touch, the mechanics just need work. Where with Fox I just think the guy has zero natural touch and will never be a good shooter.

I agree Smith and Tatum will probably be better NBA 3 point shooters, but Jackson is so much better at most other key areas, I think it's worth taking the risk. And even if he isn't, I don't care. Take the best player, screw fit. We'll find a way to get players shots. I hate drafting for fit.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1278 » by Ericb5 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:02 pm

I think that fit should come into play only in avoiding players that DON'T fit, instead of just picking the player that fits BEST.

Jackson fits the Sixers very well. I would say that Fox is the worst fit of the top 8, but even he would work if drafted.

Fultz probably fits the best.


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Post#1280 » by Lou_23 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:26 pm

In his latest podcast Woj said that Kings don´t have intention to do a trade up...

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