Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[LongLiveHinkie]

how could you or anyone knew if this was a legit issue. we dont even know there ever was one.

just curious, at what point do you get anxious with fultz? i mean i would die to have that confidence with fultz as i had it with embiid, but i dont know what reasons he or this whole mess gives you to think everything is tuttifrutti.

1) he was a 65% ft-shooter at college..and before you come up with his college 3 numbers..that sample is too **** small. also, its college 3's so basically long 2's.
2) weirdest injury/rehab time for soreness i have EVER witnessed
3) horrible value with the trade. tatum looks like a player and we just handed the **** celtics a top5 pick on top of that.

Because that's what I do. I drink and I know things.

I'm one of those dudes who just knows a lot of **** about a lot of things, not to pat myself on the back or whatever.

You've been, oddly, patting yourself on the back for the past two pages of this thread.

[BigSleep333]

Yep, love the FT form. Haters and trolls won't be about it though.

Not to be bragadocious, but I've pretty much been on the money with everything regarding Fultz in this entire thread. Had his return date pegged to mid January to early Feb. Said all along his shoulder pain was a legit issue.

Just TTP on this one(trust the prophet).

how could you or anyone knew if this was a legit issue. we dont even know there ever was one.

just curious, at what point do you get anxious with fultz? i mean i would die to have that confidence with fultz as i had it with embiid, but i dont know what reasons he or this whole mess gives you to think everything is tuttifrutti.

1) he was a 65% ft-shooter at college..and before you come up with his college 3 numbers..that sample is too **** small. also, its college 3's so basically long 2's.
2) weirdest injury/rehab time for soreness i have EVER witnessed
3) horrible value with the trade. tatum looks like a player and we just handed the **** celtics a top5 pick on top of that.

I think you are letting your pre-draft feelings on Fultz take control of the narrative a bit here.

You never believed in him so of course this whole thing was a farce to add to the pile of reasons you don't like him.

The only concerning thing is that he JUST started practicing and thats kinda lame...but that really doesn't change much.

As much as I poorly joked earlier, I think yet again there is a middle ground here that is much closer to the truth than him being a headcase or the team lying to us all the tiiiime. His jumper looks about the same from summer league in that there is still some tweaking needed which is a bummer since he's been out for this long...but it looks waaaay better than it did preseason and he's actually taking them for one. So some good and some bad. And with this franchise, that is all we can expect at this point lol.

also people need to let the trade **** go....obsessing over it all the time cannot be healthy for you. It happened. It sucks...but it happened. All we can hope for now, is that the Lakers get their **** together OR it lands number 1 or they draft a bustlord w/ it. Only Negrodamus liked Tatum pre draft so I don't want to **** here people whine over not taking him, and the second part of the trade is still an unknown...but regardless...it happened. There is nothing we can do about it but hope Fultz is worth it OR we still get it via the lottery or its a bad pick. Beyond that constantly harping on about it all the time is pointless. (and yes the folks who whine about The Larry Hughes pick or the Turner pick or the Jah pick need to move on too.....**** happens. it blows but you gotta learn to live with it and try to look on the bright side). Yall are often a bunch of emo kids who only expect the worst case scenarios to happen...cheer up.

i wasnt that high as many others on fultz, but i wouldnt say i didnt like him. i just saw him as a prospect with many question marks and not on his own tier of this draft-class that the value we gave up in that trade indicates. i mean people really doesnt recognize how much of an overpay this was. we talkin bout a likely top5 pick, which could land you an allstar as the centerpiece of a package (at the right timing).

you cant say to other fans they should already forget the trade. that trade happened not that long ago. sure, i will get over with it in 5 years, but now? especially with how this saga developed and the as-is state? you ask for too much from a passionate fan.

you wont hear me whining if fultz gets his **** together and is the player we all hope for. until then, i will

[Mik317]

now also look...I wasn't exactly Team Fultz either. Again I was Team Fox and Team Jackson....both of which are playing like hot ass right now. Hell IIRC I think I was more in on Monk than Fultz (what we learn here is that I am very bad at this lol). Now part of it was due to us at the time not having the first pick and thus I never dug deep but even after we made the trade I was iffy. Taking a guard/wing who's skill is taking mid range jumpers is scary....for most perimeter positions you kinda want elite athletes or guys with massive size advantages....but since only Issac really fit that, I guess I was ok with it. My point being that even if my player of choice was doing well right now, and even if I'd take great joy in lambasting Bryan for **** it up royally , I am still going to hope for the best and take the positives of this situation...as **** up and lame as it may be. yeah it will suck if we ended up gifting Ainge his final piece...we'd never hear the end of it, especially as arrogant as many Sixers fans have been...BUT I'd rather cross that bridge when we get to it than obsess over it now....why waste all that energy and angst over something that while probably likely if only due to our bad juju still has not happened yet? I'd rather use that energy hoping that Fultz is as advertised...and despite all of this **** be it mental, Snake based, or actual injury or not....he hasn't played enough to prove that either way. Look at all of the other 1 and done rookies and how they are struggling right now? Tatum and Lauri are the only ones who aren't IIRC...Tatum is in a great spot and Lauri has an NBA ready skill that translated.and as much as I'll admit I enjoyed Lonzo's foibles earlier in the year...he started to figure some things out...which proves to me that nothing is set in stone despite early appearances.

so again I implore you all to look at the bright side of things for once and stop wasting all of your energies expecting the worst to always happen....part of the reason I was mad at myself for my **** joke earlier is because I legit deal w/ this type of issue daily. Being negative and expecting the worse...**** tanks your days let me tell you. This franchise gives us enough ammo for that...lets try some positive thinking in this regard, no?

[LongLiveHinkie]

how could you or anyone knew if this was a legit issue. we dont even know there ever was one.

just curious, at what point do you get anxious with fultz? i mean i would die to have that confidence with fultz as i had it with embiid, but i dont know what reasons he or this whole mess gives you to think everything is tuttifrutti.

1) he was a 65% ft-shooter at college..and before you come up with his college 3 numbers..that sample is too **** small. also, its college 3's so basically long 2's.
2) weirdest injury/rehab time for soreness i have EVER witnessed
3) horrible value with the trade. tatum looks like a player and we just handed the **** celtics a top5 pick on top of that.

I think you are letting your pre-draft feelings on Fultz take control of the narrative a bit here.

You never believed in him so of course this whole thing was a farce to add to the pile of reasons you don't like him.

The only concerning thing is that he JUST started practicing and thats kinda lame...but that really doesn't change much.

As much as I poorly joked earlier, I think yet again there is a middle ground here that is much closer to the truth than him being a headcase or the team lying to us all the tiiiime. His jumper looks about the same from summer league in that there is still some tweaking needed which is a bummer since he's been out for this long...but it looks waaaay better than it did preseason and he's actually taking them for one. So some good and some bad. And with this franchise, that is all we can expect at this point lol.

also people need to let the trade **** go....obsessing over it all the time cannot be healthy for you. It happened. It sucks...but it happened. All we can hope for now, is that the Lakers get their **** together OR it lands number 1 or they draft a bustlord w/ it. Only Negrodamus liked Tatum pre draft so I don't want to **** here people whine over not taking him, and the second part of the trade is still an unknown...but regardless...it happened. There is nothing we can do about it but hope Fultz is worth it OR we still get it via the lottery or its a bad pick. Beyond that constantly harping on about it all the time is pointless. (and yes the folks who whine about The Larry Hughes pick or the Turner pick or the Jah pick need to move on too.....**** happens. it blows but you gotta learn to live with it and try to look on the bright side). Yall are often a bunch of emo kids who only expect the worst case scenarios to happen...cheer up.

i wasnt that high as many others on fultz, but i wouldnt say i didnt like him. i just saw him as a prospect with many question marks and not on his own tier of this draft-class that the value we gave up in that trade indicates. i mean people really doesnt recognize how much of an overpay this was. we talkin bout a likely top5 pick, which could land you an allstar as the centerpiece of a package (at the right timing).

you cant say to other fans they should already forget the trade. that trade happened not that long ago. sure, i will get over with it in 5 years, but now? especially with how this saga developed and the as-is state? you ask for too much from a passionate fan.

you wont hear me whining if fultz gets his **** together and is the player we all hope for. until then, i will

How about waiting until the dude steps foot on a basketball court?

[BigSleep333]

well, he did, looked horrible and is out for over 2 months with SORENESS. i wouldnt cry that loud, if he had an actual injury. players come back earlier from broken bones than fultz with muscle imbalance. its ridiculous.

[Ericb5]

Did the team release those clips or did they just get released by media members who were in attendance? Would seem weird for the team to release clips of him missing shots if they had any sort of agenda at all.

To me, the only thing I take from this is that he is shooting again, and is close to returning. There is no point in critiquing his form in a vacuum. The only thing that we should be hoping for is a return to HIS form, and not some idealized idea of the perfect shot.

His form was very effective in college and summer league, and when he gets back there then he will be fine.


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[PLO]

Footage of Fultz practicing and seemingly moving well and people still find reasons to complain #cannotmakethissh*tup.

[LongLiveHinkie]

well, he did, looked horrible and is out for over 2 months with SORENESS. i wouldnt cry that loud, if he had an actual injury. players come back earlier from broken bones than fultz with muscle imbalance. its ridiculous.

I don't think you can decide on whether to be mad about how long he's been out or to be mad about how he looks. You just want to be mad.

How long he's out is in no one's control, so there's no use at being mad at something that is in the hands of nature and genetics. It's a waste of your energy.

Wait until he steps foot in an NBA arena before wasting your energy. Until then, nothing matters. It's like being mad about how a WR looks in 7 on 7 drills in training camp.

[the_process]

Now that Fultz's jumper is back I suspect game shape is the only thing standing in his way. And general team chemistry and fitting back in with the schemes.

I honestly don't mean to troll another team's board, and just came here to lurk, but really? Some twitter videos are posted of 3 Fultz jumpers, all 3 of them were bricked, and one looked horrendous, another looked bad, and the third looked mediocre despite being from only 12 feet, and from that you declare his jumper back?

Yes, it’s back because you’re a Celtics fan desperately needing to believe the propaganda you’ve been fed, and so you troll Fultz.

Tatum is a glorified Rudy Gay. There. Somebody had to say it. (I had him 4th on my board and I like him and think he will be a good pro, but the hype train is out of control.)

[LordCovington33]

Funny seeing people saying we should have taken Tatum when he was only on a select few's radar. No longer happy with your original choice? I would take Fultz over Jackson, who we would have mostly chosen at 3. I liked Jackson a lot, but he looks like hot garbage and a wasted pick.

[cksdayoff]

well, he did, looked horrible and is out for over 2 months with SORENESS. i wouldnt cry that loud, if he had an actual injury. players come back earlier from broken bones than fultz with muscle imbalance. its ridiculous.

scapular muscle imbalance is an injury though. the guy didnt have a full range of motion in his shoulder, it's cited time and time again that any overhead activity with the arm causes pain and discomfort, to the point where it feels dead and dull. it goes way beyond shoulder soreness but apparently you see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe.

you probably didn't know this but your shoulder is a pretty complex mechanism with several muscle groups working in conjunction to help you move your arm. when you lose your range of motion, especially in your shooting arm, you won't be an effective basketball player on the court. fultz played 4 games with this injury and couldn't shoot the ball and the team shut him down as a result. and the team came up with a rehabilitation plan that has kept him sidelined all this time, not fultz.

the only thing ridiculous about this situation is that the team didn't shut him down sooner and instead let fultz play injured

[Mik317]

yeah again this newfound love for Tatum is bull. Many here called him a iso only type guy....he hasn't been that at all. Maybe ...just maybe, we don't know as much as we think we do? I mean hell during Fultz' short tenure for us his defense, one of his major flaws, looked waaay better than it ever did at UW. Same goes for Ball's defense......

yall need to let these rookies play for long periods of time before deciding what their careers are going to look like....guys can get better..it legit happens every damn year.

[LongLiveHinkie]

People here whine about our biggest weakness being no guys who can create their own shot. Tatum couldn't create his own shot with Sergio Rodriguez defending him. He's an off the ball player, and for an "iso guy" he has very little moves, and all his open looks come off of other players.

[ProcessDoctor]

Thank goodness Markelle has teammates and coaches who support him and are actually rooting for him. I can't imagine what it'd be like to play a team sport with some of you guys. The guy is coming back from an injury and hoping to prove he's the #1 pick, yet you are all putting him down and saying he's still no good? Unreal.

[gdog2004]

There continues to be a huge air of mystery around Fultz and his "injury". I would not be shocked if they shut him down for the year with a "setback". I've been watching hoops a long time, and this is one of the strangest situations ever.

[LloydFree]

There continues to be a huge air of mystery around Fultz and his "injury". I would not be shocked if they shut him down for the year with a "setback". I've been watching hoops a long time, and this is one of the strangest situations ever.

I think they've let this thing play out as well as anyone could expect due to the circumstances Let him sit long enough, that there are little to no expectations normally expected of a #1 overall pick. But don't let him sit out all year and diminish all of his perceived value due to this "injury". If he struggles a bit this year, they got the "injury" to fall back on, and everybody keeps their job.

[Simmons25]

Funny seeing people saying we should have taken Tatum when he was only on a select few's radar. No longer happy with your original choice? I would take Fultz over Jackson, who we would have mostly chosen at 3. I liked Jackson a lot, but he looks like hot garbage and a wasted pick.

Danny Ainge liked Jackson a lot too... and wanted him at #3.... until Jackson bailed him out on the blown pick by being a moron. Have to hand it to Ainge though... he has managed to brainwash an entire Celtics fan base (and some 76er Fultz haters) that Tatum was his pick all along.

[gdog2004]

Funny seeing people saying we should have taken Tatum when he was only on a select few's radar. No longer happy with your original choice? I would take Fultz over Jackson, who we would have mostly chosen at 3. I liked Jackson a lot, but he looks like hot garbage and a wasted pick.

Danny Ainge liked Jackson a lot too... and wanted him at #3.... until Jackson bailed him out on the blown pick by being a moron. Have to hand it to Ainge though... he has managed to brainwash an entire Celtics fan base (and some 76er Fultz haters) that Tatum was his pick all along.

I don't think there are any Sixer fans that "hate" Fultz, he has just been an incredible disappointment so far. His injury seems made up and the fan base is hugely disappointed. He was the consensus number one pick in a loaded draft that the Sixers traded away their top asset for. If he is just "ok" to average he will probably go down as one of the biggest busts in Sixers history when you take into account what they gave up. I am really hoping thats not the case as I was on board too, but until he laces them up and shows high level play, BC is looking like a moron for doing the deal and will probably lose his job over it if things don't work out.

[Simmons25]

Funny seeing people saying we should have taken Tatum when he was only on a select few's radar. No longer happy with your original choice? I would take Fultz over Jackson, who we would have mostly chosen at 3. I liked Jackson a lot, but he looks like hot garbage and a wasted pick.

Danny Ainge liked Jackson a lot too... and wanted him at #3.... until Jackson bailed him out on the blown pick by being a moron. Have to hand it to Ainge though... he has managed to brainwash an entire Celtics fan base (and some 76er Fultz haters) that Tatum was his pick all along.

I don't think there are any Sixer fans that "hate" Fultz, he has just been an incredible disappointment so far. His injury seems made up and the fan base is hugely disappointed. He was the consensus number one pick in a loaded draft that the Sixers traded away their top asset for. If he is just "ok" to average he will probably go down as one of the biggest busts in Sixers history when you take into account what they gave up. I am really hoping thats not the case as I was on board too, but until he laces them up and shows high level play, BC is looking like a moron for doing the deal and will probably lose his job over it if things don't work out.

There are people in here that were dead against the trade or Fultz or Colangelo and hope Fultz fails so they can say "I told you so".

And if I hear again the injury was made up..................

[LordCovington33]

Funny seeing people saying we should have taken Tatum when he was only on a select few's radar. No longer happy with your original choice? I would take Fultz over Jackson, who we would have mostly chosen at 3. I liked Jackson a lot, but he looks like hot garbage and a wasted pick.

Danny Ainge liked Jackson a lot too... and wanted him at #3.... until Jackson bailed him out on the blown pick by being a moron. Have to hand it to Ainge though... he has managed to brainwash an entire Celtics fan base (and some 76er Fultz haters) that Tatum was his pick all along.

Some sixers "fans" want to see him fail to push their own agenda.