The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[eyeatoma]

This needs to become a national spectacle for him to start changing. Also, I have a feeling he'll start performing around the time all-star voting begins. I know he takes a lot of pride in that ****. If you guys want him to change don't vote for him. Seriously! If he sees he didn't make the team, his one excuse, "I'm an all-star" is gone. He raises his game when voting starts, and has a bunch of 17-22 ppg games with near triple double supporting numbers. It's his MO.

[76ciology]

This needs to become a national spectacle for him to start changing. Also, I have a feeling he'll start performing around the time all-star voting begins. i know you takes a lot of pride in that ****. if you guys want him to change don't vote for him. Seriously! If he sees he didn't make the team, his one excuse "I'm an all-star" is gone. He raises his game when voting starts, and has a bunch of 17-22 ppg games with near triple double supporting numbers. It's his MO.

The only way he will change is if Leonardo Dicaprio and his crew starts inceptioning him in his dream.

[downtownpie]

What you see now is what you're going to get.

He's not even close to being any threat from outside 10ft. There's no switch to flick.

Maybe his ego won't let him shoot and shoot badly outside but he has to start somewhere.

[TJ McGODnell]

So who do you want?

Put up or shut up

Booker, Luka, Trey... Not realistic but that's the value you need.

Or someone like CJ McCollum, Bradley Beal.

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lol

Booker and Trey are unplayable in defence while the others haven’t won jack, probably never will and Sixers will need other players to replace his output

At 23, Simmons should get you an old LeBron or Curry

Problem is that they want to play with him

Lebron does not "want to play with" Ben. If he did he would of chose us over that garbage Lakers roster.

Sources at the time even mentioned how his fit with Ben, and not wanting to disrupt his development by taking the ball out of his hands as the major reasons he chose not to come here.

Lebron IS a pg who needs to ball in his hands, and needs shooters to space the floor for him. Why the hell would he want to play with Ben who can't space the floor and would just clog the lane by idling in the dunker spot every time Lebron has the ball?

And if you honestly think that our FO wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Ben for Luka or Booker, then I don't know what to tell you. Just imagine Luka/Embiid PnR's... Embiid can also cover up almost any guards defensive weaknesses just like we saw with the Jojo+Redick combo.

[phillynative]

He has now been relegated to screen and hide on offense. Sad.

Whats even sadder is hes not held accountable

[Tomjas]

Booker, Luka, Trey... Not realistic but that's the value you need.

Or someone like CJ McCollum, Bradley Beal.

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lol

Booker and Trey are unplayable in defence while the others haven’t won jack, probably never will and Sixers will need other players to replace his output

At 23, Simmons should get you an old LeBron or Curry

Problem is that they want to play with him

Lebron does not "want to play with" Ben. If he did he would of chose us over that garbage Lakers roster.

Sources at the time even mentioned how his fit with Ben, and not wanting to disrupt his development by taking the ball out of his hands as the major reasons he chose not to come here.

Lebron IS a pg who needs to ball in his hands, and needs shooters to space the floor for him. Why the hell would he want to play with Ben who can't space the floor and would just clog the lane by idling in the dunker spot every time Lebron has the ball?

And if you honestly think that our FO wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Ben for Luka or Booker, then I don't know what to tell you. Just imagine Luka/Embiid PnR's... Embiid can also cover up almost any guards defensive weaknesses just like we saw with the Jojo+Redick combo.

lol

Name a single player who has improved since being traded away from Simmons other than Shamet

Every single player puts up career stats next to him

Coincidence?

JJ is now a bench player

[Simmons25]

I'll cut to the chase; It's now on the coach.

If Brett Brown wants him to shoot, then demand he shoot. Set plays that demand he shoot.

If he won't, park it on the bench. If he sulks, hit the showers.

If I ignored the wishes of my coach & played like he does as tall for age group point guard back in my junior days, I'd be parked as a SF or benched. Shoot it or lose it.


I also had a decent old school hard arse coach who taught ball skills and shooting form from age 9 onwards. If you didn't do your drills and show improvement in form, or at least try, you ran suicides and did squats for attitude adjustment. Bit late for all that I know. BUT NOT too late for an attitude adjustment.

LOL I've been saying that for over 2 years now. If they want him to shoot jumpers then draw up plays for him to shoot jumpers so that he is forced to take it.

Leaving it up to Ben to take jumpers is like telling a drug addict they should go to rehab but that it's up to them to decide when they feel like it.

[TJ McGODnell]

lol

Booker and Trey are unplayable in defence while the others haven’t won jack, probably never will and Sixers will need other players to replace his output

At 23, Simmons should get you an old LeBron or Curry

Problem is that they want to play with him

Lebron does not "want to play with" Ben. If he did he would of chose us over that garbage Lakers roster.

Sources at the time even mentioned how his fit with Ben, and not wanting to disrupt his development by taking the ball out of his hands as the major reasons he chose not to come here.

Lebron IS a pg who needs to ball in his hands, and needs shooters to space the floor for him. Why the hell would he want to play with Ben who can't space the floor and would just clog the lane by idling in the dunker spot every time Lebron has the ball?

And if you honestly think that our FO wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Ben for Luka or Booker, then I don't know what to tell you. Just imagine Luka/Embiid PnR's... Embiid can also cover up almost any guards defensive weaknesses just like we saw with the Jojo+Redick combo.

lol

Name a single player who has improved since being traded

Btw, JJ is now on the bench with an awful team

Errr, I could name an endless amount of players who have improved since being traded. Are you being serious?

Harden? Oladipo? Lopez? Kawhi (Spurs>Toronto)? Joe Harris? Middleton? Lavine? Nurkic? Dinwiddie? Sabonis? Beverly? Bogdanović? I could literally go on and on and on....
Heck we're already seeing it this year with the likes of Brogdon, Ingram and Oubre Jr..

And JJ sucking now in NOP backs my point up that Embiid can cover for guards defensive weaknesses and make them look MUCH better than they are on that end of the floor.

[TJ McGODnell]

lol

Booker and Trey are unplayable in defence while the others haven’t won jack, probably never will and Sixers will need other players to replace his output

At 23, Simmons should get you an old LeBron or Curry

Problem is that they want to play with him

Lebron does not "want to play with" Ben. If he did he would of chose us over that garbage Lakers roster.

Sources at the time even mentioned how his fit with Ben, and not wanting to disrupt his development by taking the ball out of his hands as the major reasons he chose not to come here.

Lebron IS a pg who needs to ball in his hands, and needs shooters to space the floor for him. Why the hell would he want to play with Ben who can't space the floor and would just clog the lane by idling in the dunker spot every time Lebron has the ball?

And if you honestly think that our FO wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Ben for Luka or Booker, then I don't know what to tell you. Just imagine Luka/Embiid PnR's... Embiid can also cover up almost any guards defensive weaknesses just like we saw with the Jojo+Redick combo.

lol

Name a single player who has improved since being traded away from Simmons other than Shamet

Every single player puts up career stats next to him

Coincidence?

So it seems you edited your comment, but I still fail to understand your point?

Either way there are plenty of players who played better after being traded away from us, Covington, Richaun, Okafor, Shamet, just to name a few, and I can almost guarantee that Jimmy will put up much better numbers in Miami this year too.

Edit: and if you want to play that game, Tobias and Richardson so far are both playing much worse next to Simmons compared to before they came to us.

[Kolkmania]

I've said it before, but it is just a shame that Brett completely abandoned his approach regarding Simmons' off ball movement. He actually was in the corner during preseason. It didn't lead to any shots, but it was a first step. Now he's not even interested in the corner three anymore.

It wouldn't surprise me if Ben said he wasn't feeling comfortable doing it, but if so, I am disappointed in Brett's persuasiveness.

[the_process]

I agree Brett has to start leaning on Ben to shoot it some. He also has to get Ben to stop shying away from contact when he drives.

That's not a coaching thing. Ben has it or he doesn't. The shying away from contact is because he's afraid to go to the line because he knows he's a terrible free throw shooter.

lol

He’s trying to get to the basket by avoiding the defender

Simmons gets called for offensive fouls all the time and knows that the chances of him getting a call are somewhere between zero and sfa

On those nights when he’s assertive, he doesn’t get those calls against him. When he gets called for offensive fouls is when he plays scared, drives in all half-assed with no intention to shoot. Which is much more common for Ben so I’m not surprised you mistake that for all the time.

[the_process]

Lebron does not "want to play with" Ben. If he did he would of chose us over that garbage Lakers roster.

Sources at the time even mentioned how his fit with Ben, and not wanting to disrupt his development by taking the ball out of his hands as the major reasons he chose not to come here.

Lebron IS a pg who needs to ball in his hands, and needs shooters to space the floor for him. Why the hell would he want to play with Ben who can't space the floor and would just clog the lane by idling in the dunker spot every time Lebron has the ball?

And if you honestly think that our FO wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Ben for Luka or Booker, then I don't know what to tell you. Just imagine Luka/Embiid PnR's... Embiid can also cover up almost any guards defensive weaknesses just like we saw with the Jojo+Redick combo.

lol

Name a single player who has improved since being traded away from Simmons other than Shamet

Every single player puts up career stats next to him

Coincidence?

So it seems you edited your comment, but I still fail to understand your point?

Either way there are plenty of players who played better after being traded away from us, Covington, Richaun, Okafor, Shamet, just to name a few, and I can almost guarantee that Jimmy will put up much better numbers in Miami this year too.

Edit: and if you want to play that game, Tobias and Richardson so far are both playing much worse next to Simmons compared to before they came to us.

Leaving Tobias out of this, it is true that Richardson has been struggling so far. Ben’s positioning on the court could have something to do with that.

[eyeatoma]

Ben makes everyone else on the team suck. He does not make players better.

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[VDT]

It's a pity because the team has invested a lot on Simmons. They rejected the Kawhi trade that would allow us to win the title and they went out of the way to acquire Horford who doesnt really fit with Embiid. Possibly more that we dont know.

To me the biggest red flag is that he cant take it all the way to the basket when guarded by wings or pfs. Last night he was locked up by a center. At this rate he doesnt look like a mismatch but the opposite, a player that can be guarded by most players on the floor.

Similarly to his terrible form, when he drives he doesnt go to the basket for a dunk or a layup but throws some low percentage shots while moving away from the basket. No matter how much he practices, if he is doing things the wrong way he is never going to materially improve.

My worry is that this is a physical thing, meaning that he doesn't have the physical advantages over his defenders that Lebron or Giannis gave that allow them to be effective even when the defender doesnt respect their jumpers. If that is the case and he cant force himself to the basket it is hard to see a path forward given his busted shooting form. He is doing everything else well but without increasing his scoring he cant take it to the next level.

[shlo]

It saddens me to say this, but I do not see the Sixers winning a championship with Ben Simmons on the roster or with this group of players. There isn't a single shot creating perimeter player and you can't win without that. There's no perimeter player who puts pressure on a defense. Teams will double Embiid in the playoffs and wear him out over time.

Beyond Simmons being Simmons, I'm frustrated with how this roster was constructed the last couple of years. Tobias is just not worth that contract.

In the 2018 draft, Sixers would have been better off staying put and drafting Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, who is providing a lot of the type of back court play the Sixers could be using now.

Al Horford signing was perfect. He has way more left in the tank than I expected.

Josh Richardson - eh. Solid role player.

Where is the perimeter player who is going to help Embiid in the playoffs the way Jimmy Butler did?

[DaSixers]

Ben simmons is an atrocity and is killing this team. We will NOT make the finals with him on this team and likely wont ever get there

He is so unbelievably inept on offense its almost impossible to be as bad as he is. He is worse mentally than fultz ever was

We wasted the time to trade him last year, its over jow. His value is now accurate around the league and thats as an insanely overated role player with good defense

Hes so bad around the basket, he can not create his own shot AT ALL, he does NOT make players around him better he makes them worse

We need to trade him for jrue holiday NOW before his value tanks even more. Jrue holiday immediately makes this offense 10x better fit while keeping us close to as good on defense

If this front office and or brett fail to do that we r gona blow the best roater weve ever had

Brown is to blame for a lot of this too with his coddling of simmons and also needs to go

[76ciology]

Let me tell you about something.

We love players when they play hard. Reggie Evans.. corey brewer.. and etc.

With Ben, I think what’s frustrating is his motor. Sure, we accept that you can’t shoot better than MCW. But atleast be f’n aggressive and try to get to the line like Corey Maggette, then try to play hard for the entire 24 secs on defense on every possession like gerald wallace. I’m not saying he’s a turnstile on defense (although you can argue that he hasnt shown ability to lock down players like Kawhi or Booker) but his upside on defense is way higher.

He’s not defensive player of the year material or does his offense resemble an star player.

Look at MKG. As awful as he is as a player, Bobcats fans have a love for him because he brings it every second that he’s in the game.

Atleast be like Draymond Green. Atleast.

[DaSixers]

Yep. And with as awful he is on offense, why isnt he guarding the opponents bsst player at all tines? He doesnt need energy for offense obviously

Brett brown is a terrible coach for many reasons

[Bum Adebayo]

Yes please! finally after all those years hyping up Ben Simmons, now Sixers fans are bashing him. Music to my ears!

[Stanford]

Yes please! finally after all those years hyping up Ben Simmons, now Sixers fans are bashing him. Music to my ears!

Reevaluate your life.