Joel Embiid

[DCasey91]

Embiid looking really envious right not

Could not think of a more ideal backcourt (Suns) for an elite center. Job is so easy and simple yet it’s literally the blueprint for any Center to follow.

Roll, Screen, share the ball, Defense orientated, 12-16 FGA’s, highly efficient etc etc.

I’m telling you we are not fair off.

[76ciology]

Embiid looking really envious right not

Could not think of a more ideal backcourt (Suns) for an elite center. Job is so easy and simple yet it’s literally the blueprint for any Center to follow.

Roll, Screen, share the ball, Defense orientated, 12-16 FGA’s, highly efficient etc etc.

I’m telling you we are not fair off.

Not really.

Embiid can’t move like Ayton for high number of games and high number of possessions. It will break him down by mid season. This guy is scaring me with shades of Greg Oden when he’s holding his knee everytime he tries to make wide open emphatic dunks in game 5.

But what’s more telling if you ask me is Suns shows you that you dont need that much ISO skillset that Embiid provides where you see the power of a really good backcourt, and it can make a player once looked like a bust now look like a star.

This is exactly why you dont draft centers that high or overpay them like Al, until atleast you already have a good backcourt in place.

Once you have a really good backcourt you can just place some random good role playing SF,PF and C and you’ll be fine. Because all they have to do is play defense and catch lobs or shoot open 3s, which is the fundamental skills you need to play basketball.

Guards are just too OP right now. It’s just undeniable and even Morey said it himself.

[76ciology]

If you look at the Cavs and the Suns, they did it the right way. Establish the guard position first. Then value hunt for bigs in Jarett Allen and Capela. Mavs is also the same thing. They get Doncic first at 2018, then traded for KP in 2019.

While Jazz and Nuggets lucked into it that they were able to get Murray, MPJ and Mitchell without a high draft pick. BUT it wont be possible if you’re mindset dont shift from just blindly getting a BPA to acknowledging how powerful perimeter players are compared to bigs.

You dont need to tank 5 years to make that happen. And 8 years just to go from rebuild and to just make the second round.

And that is why the league is making guards OP. It’s for parity reason and for teams to have a faster turn around time from rebuild to contend.

In the future, you’ll see teams rebuild and contend for shorter time unlike before because you wouldnt need that much talent to win. This is also what’s Presti is doing.

[DCasey91]

I really think the answer might just be Ben for Ingram and S&T trade for Lowry and move Harris for Barnes.

Lowry
Green
Barnes
Ingram
Embiid

Nice and easy.

The trio synergy between the three Lowry/Ingram/Embiid is enormous here. Lowry PG, Ingram 25/5/5 guy just about pseudo ballhandler and scorer when Embiid sits. Embiid settles nicely in that elite big man 20/10 role. Green for 3&D and Barnes as the stretch switch 3/4. Size and space to operate under.

That blueprint works for me.

[76ciology]

I like Stormi’s trade Idea of getting CJ&Fox.

I think that backcourt could work with Embiid, if we dont land Dame or any top tier star.

[DCasey91]

The CJ & Fox doesn’t work for me both are below average defenders one isn’t a great shooter and there is overlap between the two.

Lowry and Ingram with Barnes added on replacing Harris is sold for me. Vets, the Fit, the whole nine yards it’s a legit starting unit.

The reason why I’m not buying Fox currently as it stands is because the style doesn’t work out pace vs slow.

This setup goes all in on maxing out Embiid and the halfcourt grind game which in the playoffs that’s basically what it is most of the time. Fox will wear Embiid out lmao

[yuuby]

Embiid has made all-NBA second team this season and he is thus eligible to sign the 4 year supermax extension this summer.

Do you think the 76ers have to offer him the full 4 year 190 million extension with no injury protections?

Per Bobby Marks of ESPN:

The five-year, $147.7 million rookie max extension that Embiid signed in 2017 is considered one of the most complex and creative contracts in league history. Because Embiid had missed his first two NBA seasons with a foot injury, the 35-page contract included language that essentially gave the 76ers a way to get out of the deal if Embiid suffered a catastrophic injury to his feet or lower back.

Across each of the final four seasons of the extension, ending with the 2022-23 season, the 76ers could have waived Embiid for a financial benefit if he suffered a contractually agreed upon injury that caused him to miss 25 or more regular-season games and play fewer than 1,650 minutes.

If Embiid played a minimum of 1,650 regular-season minutes in three consecutive years during the extension, or three out of four including the 2017-18 season, it would eliminate the possibility of a reduction in the contract. Embiid reached the minutes benchmark last season, guaranteeing the remaining three seasons of the contract.

This offseason, Embiid is once again extension eligible but at a higher price tag and possible financial risk exposure to the 76ers in the future. By earning All-NBA in 2020-21, Embiid met the supermax criteria and is eligible to sign an extension for four years and up to $190 million. The dollar amount is based off 35% of the projected $121.5 million cap in 2023-24 and could increase.

2021-22 | $31.6M (current contract)

2022-23 | $33.6M (current contract)

2023-24 | $42.5M (supermax starts)

2024-25 | $45.9M

2025-26 | $49.3M

2026-27 | $52.7M

Although both sides can negotiate the total value of the contract (for example the salary in 2023-24 could be 33% of the cap and not 35%), the contract has to be for four seasons.

The body of work since Embiid signed his rookie extension in 2017 is that of a supermax player. He is a four-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA selection, three-time All-Defensive team selection and finished second in MVP voting this season.


Involved in every contract that is signed, the risk would be higher for the 76ers because of Embiid's injury history. A supermax extension would put Embiid -- who is playing through a torn meniscus this postseason -- under contract for six more seasons, and set to make nearly $53 million in 2026-27.

Would the 76ers go back to their notes from 2017 and look to add injury language that protects them in the future? His agents at CAA would likely argue that since 2017-18, the longest stretch of games that Embiid missed in one season was the 11-game stint he missed this season because of his left knee. He also missed 10 because of an orbital fracture in 2018 and nine because of a broken left hand in 2020. Neither of those are recurring-type injuries, and Embiid hasn't had any setbacks with his feet or his back.

The seven supermax contracts that have been signed in recent years have not contained any prior injury language. If the 76ers insist on such language and Embiid decides not to sign, there would be risk for both sides. Embiid would have to earn All-NBA honors again to become supermax eligible next offseason. However, if he waits and does become eligible, the 76ers could be on the hook for a five-year extension that would pay Embiid nearly $57 million in the final season.

Although Bobby Marks mentions that Embiid's agency is CAA that is outdated as Keith Pompey has reported that Embiid parted with his agency CAA that represented him for the past 5 years after the playoffs ended.

Who do you think Embiid hires as his agent to represent him during these negotiations?

By the way the only two options in recent supetmax history is the player either accepts the full supermax or is traded if either the team doesnt want to give the contract or player refuses to sign it.

Players who accepted supermax:

Curry, Wall, Westbrook, Giannis, Gobert, Harden, Lillard

Players who passed on supermax:

Kawhi, AD (both got traded)

Players who werent offered supermax:

Cousins, Butler (both were traded)

Morey has a tough summer ahead. Let's see how great of a GM he is.

[Stanford]

Fox and CJ with Embiid would be amazing but it seems like a stretch

[phillynative]

I wish there was a weight clause in his contract. I think its in his best interest to slim down some.

[Kobblehead]

The supermax is the dumbest idea in NBA history.

[Sixerscan]

Embiid has made all-NBA second team this season and he is thus eligible to sign the 4 year supermax extension this summer.

Do you think the 76ers have to offer him the full 4 year 190 million extension with no injury protections?

Per Bobby Marks of ESPN:

The five-year, $147.7 million rookie max extension that Embiid signed in 2017 is considered one of the most complex and creative contracts in league history. Because Embiid had missed his first two NBA seasons with a foot injury, the 35-page contract included language that essentially gave the 76ers a way to get out of the deal if Embiid suffered a catastrophic injury to his feet or lower back.

Across each of the final four seasons of the extension, ending with the 2022-23 season, the 76ers could have waived Embiid for a financial benefit if he suffered a contractually agreed upon injury that caused him to miss 25 or more regular-season games and play fewer than 1,650 minutes.

If Embiid played a minimum of 1,650 regular-season minutes in three consecutive years during the extension, or three out of four including the 2017-18 season, it would eliminate the possibility of a reduction in the contract. Embiid reached the minutes benchmark last season, guaranteeing the remaining three seasons of the contract.

This offseason, Embiid is once again extension eligible but at a higher price tag and possible financial risk exposure to the 76ers in the future. By earning All-NBA in 2020-21, Embiid met the supermax criteria and is eligible to sign an extension for four years and up to $190 million. The dollar amount is based off 35% of the projected $121.5 million cap in 2023-24 and could increase.

2021-22 | $31.6M (current contract)

2022-23 | $33.6M (current contract)

2023-24 | $42.5M (supermax starts)

2024-25 | $45.9M

2025-26 | $49.3M

2026-27 | $52.7M

Although both sides can negotiate the total value of the contract (for example the salary in 2023-24 could be 33% of the cap and not 35%), the contract has to be for four seasons.

The body of work since Embiid signed his rookie extension in 2017 is that of a supermax player. He is a four-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA selection, three-time All-Defensive team selection and finished second in MVP voting this season.


Involved in every contract that is signed, the risk would be higher for the 76ers because of Embiid's injury history. A supermax extension would put Embiid -- who is playing through a torn meniscus this postseason -- under contract for six more seasons, and set to make nearly $53 million in 2026-27.

Would the 76ers go back to their notes from 2017 and look to add injury language that protects them in the future? His agents at CAA would likely argue that since 2017-18, the longest stretch of games that Embiid missed in one season was the 11-game stint he missed this season because of his left knee. He also missed 10 because of an orbital fracture in 2018 and nine because of a broken left hand in 2020. Neither of those are recurring-type injuries, and Embiid hasn't had any setbacks with his feet or his back.

The seven supermax contracts that have been signed in recent years have not contained any prior injury language. If the 76ers insist on such language and Embiid decides not to sign, there would be risk for both sides. Embiid would have to earn All-NBA honors again to become supermax eligible next offseason. However, if he waits and does become eligible, the 76ers could be on the hook for a five-year extension that would pay Embiid nearly $57 million in the final season.

Although Bobby Marks mentions that Embiid's agency is CAA that is outdated as Keith Pompey has reported that Embiid parted with his agency CAA that represented him for the past 5 years after the playoffs ended.

Who do you think Embiid hires as his agent to represent him during these negotiations?

By the way the only two options in recent supetmax history is the player either accepts the full supermax or is traded if either the team doesnt want to give the contract or player refuses to sign it.

Players who accepted supermax:

Curry, Wall, Westbrook, Giannis, Gobert, Harden, Lillard

Players who passed on supermax:

Kawhi, AD (both got traded)

Players who werent offered supermax:

Cousins, Butler (both were traded)

Morey has a tough summer ahead. Let's see how great of a GM he is.

Gobert didn’t get the full supermax. He got 205 could have gotten 228.

Pretty simple decision especially with him only being eligible for a 4 year extension at this point. Really the question is whether he declines the offer and waits until he can sign a 5 year extension.

[davesilver]

Fox and CJ with Embiid would be amazing but it seems like a stretch

How’s that defense?

[yuuby]

Fox and CJ with Embiid would be amazing but it seems like a stretch

How’s that defense?

We just got run out of the gym by a lineup that had Huerter, Lou and Trae. We couldn't score on them at all for a whole quarter and you are talking about defense?

Newsflash the league is an offense based league in the playoffs. The best offense will win.

[Stanford]

Fox and CJ with Embiid would be amazing but it seems like a stretch

How’s that defense?

Good

[Mik317]

Fox and CJ with Embiid would be amazing but it seems like a stretch

How’s that defense?

We just got run out of the gym by a lineup that had Huerter, Lou and Trae. We couldn't score on them at all for a whole quarter and you are talking about defense?

Newsflash the league is an offense based league in the playoffs. The best offense will win.

we also lost because Huerter could get whatever he wanted against Seth down the stretch of game 7 and Gallo and people did that all series.

I agree that defense can't be the calling card of anyone...doesn't mean we get some sieves on that end either tho

[Bum Adebayo]

Defense doesn't matter, it's literally banned from the NBA, it is all about 3pt spamming, flopping all over the place and driving to the rim. The players that can do this are the players that have more success, this doesn't mean they are the best players, it just means the ruleset is designed to make them shine.
So a player like Embiid is not at fault for being a big guy here, the fault is in the rules. His only blame is that he sucks in crunch time not only because he is a post player, but because his IQ is not that high.
So, if you want to win a championship, you need to find these kind of players, the Hardens, Lukas, Traes, Lowrys, etc. It is necessary to have a player that flops all over the place. Embiid learned a bit from Harden on how to flop, but he is still not bad enough, he doesn't want it as much as Harden or Trae, he is not morally corrupt enough. We need more of these players.

[yuuby]

Embiid had the hisghest free throw attempts per game in the regular sesason and playoffs. He benefits plenty from the foul rules of todays. In fact getting to the free throw line by flopping might be his best offensive skill.

He had the highest fta per 100 possessions in modern NBA history this season. Stop acting like he gets shafted by the current rules. He has all the perimeter tricks in the books (sweep through, run into defender while shooting, rip through etc.).

[76ciology]

Embiid had the hisghest free throw attempts per game in the regular sesason and playoffs. He benefits plenty from the foul rules of todays. In fact getting to the free throw line by flopping might be his best offensive skill.

He had the highest fta per 100 possessions in modern NBA history this season. Stop acting like he gets shafted by the current rules. He has all the perimeter tricks in the books (sweep through, run into defender while shooting, rip through etc.).

But he can’t rely on the refs’ whistle down the stretch. But he’s not the only one, almost every star can’t rely on the refs’ whistle thats why the shots down the stretch are mostly jumpers.

Here lies the problem.

Embiid’s jumper are gonna be contested by a big, sometimes even doubled.

While the opponent star perimeter scorer will either have his shot contested by a player he hunts via screen play, an open shot via the screen play or most times a contested jumper on single coverage.

And between the two, the star perimeter players drives are likely to be less TO prone given their naturally better ball handlers.

[76ciology]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

[yuuby]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Why all the reporters think its so taboo to even mention trading Embiid is weird to me. Shouldnt they learned from Hinkie about selling high?