So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[snoopdogg88]

It amazes me how many people think we can always rely on the buyout market to cover our holes. We got burned last season and the year before assuming that.

The year we got Ersan and Marco was the flukes of flukes.

We will lose out on any top buyout candidates to both of the LA teams and Brooklyn at the very least.

[elchengue20]

Yeah, you never know, but i don't see us getting a meaningful contributor on the buyout market.Too many competitors for a few players. We shoudn't rely on that.

[rzzzzz]

Hey, Doc didn’t hesitate to sign on here, given the talent on hand. The right fit player may dig being the last piece to the championship puzzle.

[Sixerscan]

They didn’t really rely on the buyout market the last two years. They traded for ennis, boban and Scott and then Burks and GRIII to be role players. They didn’t just add an unlimited amount of guys to their roster sure, and yeah it would have nice to add like Wayne Ellington or something two years ago, but they didn’t just like bank on signing guys the way they did with Ersan and Marco.

[youngcrev]

OT: I really really think the Blazers should push for a superstar to pair with Dame. If someone like KAT said 'thanks Minnesota, but I want to try and win' the Blazers should be the first team calling and putting a magnum opus package on the table.

But what do they have of value to trade?

Trent Jr + picks for forever?

And when was the last time a superstar said "get me to Portland!"

[youngcrev]

I think finding a trade that moves our trash expirings plus some type of asset(s) for contributor is a must, and then hoping for additional buyout help as a bonus.

Additional thought on Lonzo: while his free throw percentage has made a huge leap this year, I'm not sure I'm trusting him to hit free throws down the stretch of a game (still want, but it's a factor for those worried about situations like last night)

[ProcessDoctor]

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Any new updates/rumors?

[stormi]

OT: I really really think the Blazers should push for a superstar to pair with Dame. If someone like KAT said 'thanks Minnesota, but I want to try and win' the Blazers should be the first team calling and putting a magnum opus package on the table.

But what do they have of value to trade?

Trent Jr + picks for forever?

And when was the last time a superstar said "get me to Portland!"

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

[kuclas]

MLB teams used to traded major prospects for pending free agents they were unlikely to resign (especially pitchers) at trade deadlines.

That trend has stopped

I do not think nba teams like to trade draft picks or young talent for pending free agents anymore

We traded Dario and Covington. Nice players but nothing special for jimmy.

The most any team will get for a 2 month rental or someone like Lowry is a future heavily protected first (top 25 protected). And that’s being generous.

[youngcrev]

OT: I really really think the Blazers should push for a superstar to pair with Dame. If someone like KAT said 'thanks Minnesota, but I want to try and win' the Blazers should be the first team calling and putting a magnum opus package on the table.

But what do they have of value to trade?

Trent Jr + picks for forever?

And when was the last time a superstar said "get me to Portland!"

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

I dont CJ has value to a rebuilding team. He's got a Tobias contract.

[Sixerscan]

OT: I really really think the Blazers should push for a superstar to pair with Dame. If someone like KAT said 'thanks Minnesota, but I want to try and win' the Blazers should be the first team calling and putting a magnum opus package on the table.

But what do they have of value to trade?

Trent Jr + picks for forever?

And when was the last time a superstar said "get me to Portland!"

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

I don't see a 29 year old shooting guard being very attractive to the Wolves though. And they just traded 2 picks for Covington.

[stormi]

But what do they have of value to trade?

Trent Jr + picks for forever?

And when was the last time a superstar said "get me to Portland!"

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

I dont CJ has value to a rebuilding team. He's got a Tobias contract.

In that scenario he would have tremendous value to a third team. That would give the rebuilding team the opportunity to get even more picks actually, same way Houston flipped Allen to Cleveland for extra draft capital.

Also CJ McCollum is on another level from Tobias Harris.

[Sixerscan]

That third team should probably just trade for Towns. They got a Bucks 1st from the Cavs for Allen that wasn't really moving the needle compared to what you're counting on McCollum to do in that trade.

[youngcrev]

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

I dont CJ has value to a rebuilding team. He's got a Tobias contract.

In that scenario he would have tremendous value to a third team. That would give the rebuilding team the opportunity to get even more picks actually, same way Houston flipped Allen to Cleveland for extra draft capital.

Also CJ McCollum is on another level from Tobias Harris.

If a superstar is available, wouldn't whatever team you're expecting to give up a ton of draft picks for CJ go after that player instead?

As for CJ/Tobias, he's better, but he's a low end All Star type talent (that hasn't actually made an All Star team). I don't think there's a massive gap there. He's also a year older and currently has a broken foot.

[stormi]

But what do they have of value to trade?

Trent Jr + picks for forever?

And when was the last time a superstar said "get me to Portland!"

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

I don't see a 29 year old shooting guard being very attractive to the Wolves though. And they just traded 2 picks for Covington.

It really wasn't specifically about the Wolves. It was just was just me thinking out loud about how I'd love to see Dame play with another superstar. And they have pieces to make a move, the semantics don't really matter.

[stormi]

As for CJ/Tobias, he's better, but he's a low end All Star type talent (that hasn't actually made an All Star team). I don't think there's a massive gap there.

Solely because of the conference he plays in and the overwhelming amount of star guards there are in west. There is a definite gap between CJ McCollum and Tobias Harris, one of them is a shot creator that has proven the ability to get unassisted buckets in takeover playoff games, the other one is a fancy spot up shooter that cannot facilitate or get to the free throw line. Again, not an argument I'm really all that invested in, if you believe Tobias to be equivalent to him or something, feel free.

[youngcrev]

As for CJ/Tobias, he's better, but he's a low end All Star type talent (that hasn't actually made an All Star team). I don't think there's a massive gap there.

Solely because of the conference he plays in and the overwhelming amount of star guards there are in west. There is a definite gap between CJ McCollum and Tobias Harris, one of them is a shot creator that has proven the ability to get unassisted buckets in takeover playoff games, the other one is a fancy spot up shooter that cannot facilitate or get to the free throw line. Again, not an argument I'm really all that invested in, if you believe Tobias to be equivalent to him or something, feel free.

I've heard that said before, yet Trae Young and Bradley Beal didn't make the All Star team in the East this year. Middleton, Lowry and VanVleet are all pretty good too.

If CJ's your main option he'll put up numbers, but your teams probably not good enough for him to get the nod. Maybe if you flipped him and Middleton he'd be there? Regardless, it would take a pretty specific circumstance for him to make it.

[stormi]

As for CJ/Tobias, he's better, but he's a low end All Star type talent (that hasn't actually made an All Star team). I don't think there's a massive gap there.

Solely because of the conference he plays in and the overwhelming amount of star guards there are in west. There is a definite gap between CJ McCollum and Tobias Harris, one of them is a shot creator that has proven the ability to get unassisted buckets in takeover playoff games, the other one is a fancy spot up shooter that cannot facilitate or get to the free throw line. Again, not an argument I'm really all that invested in, if you believe Tobias to be equivalent to him or something, feel free.

I've heard that said before, yet Trae Young and Bradley Beal didn't make the All Star team in the East this year. Middleton, Lowry and VanVleet are all pretty good too.

If CJ's your main option he'll put up numbers, but your teams probably not good enough for him to get the nod. Maybe if you flipped him and Middleton he'd be there? Regardless, it would take a pretty specific circumstance for him to make it.

Team success plays into it too. Young or Beal don't get excluded with some semblance of teams success. It's not a slight that CJM hasn't made an allstar game playing at a time when Steph Curry, James Harden, Damian Lillard, (OKC) Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and Klay Thompson were fighting for spots year in and year out. Someone like Lowry who is a 6x east all star would not have gotten the nod either. The bar is just higher out west.

[Sixerscan]

CJ + picks, imo.

It's not about the location, it's the ability to combine with Damian Lillard, one of the most respected superstars in the league.

I don't see a 29 year old shooting guard being very attractive to the Wolves though. And they just traded 2 picks for Covington.

It really wasn't specifically about the Wolves. It was just was just me thinking out loud about how I'd love to see Dame play with another superstar. And they have pieces to make a move, the semantics don't really matter.

Just feel like you keeping running into this issue though, and it's why people put CJ into fake trades every year but they don't go anywhere. A good team wants him but doesn't want to give up a better player for him, and he's not really a fit on a rebuilding team.

Then again you could have said similar things about Derozan and the Raptors managed to figure out a way to get an upgrade for him. Or like Hornacek for Barkley lol. Common thing is the trade looks pretty bad in retrospect, teams are dumb sometimes though.

[youngcrev]

Solely because of the conference he plays in and the overwhelming amount of star guards there are in west. There is a definite gap between CJ McCollum and Tobias Harris, one of them is a shot creator that has proven the ability to get unassisted buckets in takeover playoff games, the other one is a fancy spot up shooter that cannot facilitate or get to the free throw line. Again, not an argument I'm really all that invested in, if you believe Tobias to be equivalent to him or something, feel free.

I've heard that said before, yet Trae Young and Bradley Beal didn't make the All Star team in the East this year. Middleton, Lowry and VanVleet are all pretty good too.

If CJ's your main option he'll put up numbers, but your teams probably not good enough for him to get the nod. Maybe if you flipped him and Middleton he'd be there? Regardless, it would take a pretty specific circumstance for him to make it.

Team success plays into it too. Young or Beal don't get excluded with some semblance of teams success. It's not a slight that CJM hasn't made an allstar game playing at a time when Steph Curry, James Harden, Damian Lillard, (OKC) Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul and Klay Thompson were fighting for spots year in and year out. Someone like Lowry who is a 6x east all star would not have gotten the nod either. The bar is just higher out west.

Right, but I'm saying he's likely not an All Star in either conference. The West has undoubtedly been stacked at guard, but the East isn't exactly lacking there either. You bring up Lowry as though CJ would have made it over him...

And agree that team success plays a role, which comes back to it taking a pretty unique situation for CJ to both a) be putting up All Star numbers and b) be on a winning team