Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[mjkvol]

Hypothetically, if that rumor from Zach Lowe turns out to be true and the Sixers look to dump Harris and Harden opts out so the Sixers can sign a star free agent and then re-sign Harden to form a Big 3, who do you think it would be? I googled free agents and the only one that makes sense would be LaVine, though he's a Klutch guy and not sure the relationship between them and the Sixers is great at the moment, but not sure that matters, they're all just doing their jobs.

Kyrie obviously would be doubtful if Harden wanted out of Brooklyn in part because of him. Bradley Beal seems like less of a fit with Harden than LaVine. Other than those guys, the drop off seems considerable. I don't think you spend the picks to dump Harris to sign Miles Bridges to close to a max deal. Doesn't seem like a Morey move.

Lavine is the only max player I would want any part of. He would be a perfect fit, and would thrive with the space he'd have here.

Bridges doesn't feel like a Morey move, but him at less than max would be fine as a secondary option to Lavine. He's young, athletic, can rebound and play some defense, and would be a terrific lob weapon for Harden. His 3 pt. shooting is erratic at this point, but he knows how to score and will only improve in this setting.

[LloydFree]

Hypothetically, if that rumor from Zach Lowe turns out to be true and the Sixers look to dump Harris and Harden opts out so the Sixers can sign a star free agent and then re-sign Harden to form a Big 3, who do you think it would be? I googled free agents and the only one that makes sense would be LaVine, though he's a Klutch guy and not sure the relationship between them and the Sixers is great at the moment, but not sure that matters, they're all just doing their jobs.

Kyrie obviously would be doubtful if Harden wanted out of Brooklyn in part because of him. Bradley Beal seems like less of a fit with Harden than LaVine. Other than those guys, the drop off seems considerable. I don't think you spend the picks to dump Harris to sign Miles Bridges to close to a max deal. Doesn't seem like a Morey move.

I don't think they can do that. Wouldn't Harden still count as a caphold? And if they renounced his rights to eliminate the caphold, they wouldn't be able to use his Bird rights.

Lowe said the rumor is Harden would sign at a discount to make it happen, so maybe that's what he was talking about.

That's not happening. Harden's not going to allow the 76ers to sign someone else to a Max, then sign to play for a discount.

At best, the 76ers could hope that Harden decides to take a 2+1 at about 40 million per, instead of opting into his 47 million dollar option.... Then pray they can move Tobias Harris to a team under the cap, for zero incoming money. . Then decline to pick up Danny Green's 10 million dollar option...

I think that would get them to about 20 million in space, in order to get someone just below top tier.

[Stanford]

I think that would get them to about 20 million in space, in order to get someone just below top tier.

20 million doesn't get you someone "just below top tier" in FA though. It gets you Spencer Dinwiddie.

[LloydFree]

I think that would get them to about 20 million in space, in order to get someone just below top tier.

20 million doesn't get you someone "just below top tier" in FA though. It gets you Spencer Dinwiddie.

You never know. That was enough to get Jerami Grant last year and nearly enough to get Zach Lavigne a couple years ago.

[Kobblehead]

Definitely don't need a third big piece. Just need a guy or two that can shoot threes and make plays defensively.

Sign Covington to the MLE to pair with Green and we're golden.

[FireMorey]

I never thought it was realistic either, just saying Zach Lowe, who's pretty good has been saying that's the chatter around the league. Whether Morey has something cooked up remains to be seen.

I think TJ Warren would be a good buy low candidate. Could see him signing a one year 10 mil prove it deal, and the chances he outplays a deal like that coming off a bad injury are pretty substantial IMO.

[Stanford]

I think that would get them to about 20 million in space, in order to get someone just below top tier.

20 million doesn't get you someone "just below top tier" in FA though. It gets you Spencer Dinwiddie.

You never know. That was enough to get Jerami Grant last year and nearly enough to get Zach Lavigne a couple years ago.

Okay, but Zach Lavine wasn't considered a top 50 player that offseason. Was he even considered a top 100 player? In other words, we'd likely be speculating on a player who's worse than Tobias (who we'd be sending out, plus picks) and hoping he gets to an elite level in enough time to compete for a title with Harden and Embiid. Does that player exist in this FA class?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Sexton is the only analogous player I can see on that list. Do we think he'd sign for 20m, and is that a risk you'd be willing to take? Miles Bridges too, I guess. Both teams can match on those players.

Point is, it doesn't make much sense to trade Tobias and a bunch of picks to free up so little space.

[Kobblehead]

I see Warren as being a fairly putrid fit.

He doesn't pass the ball. He doesn't shoot any threes. He doesn't make many plays defensively.

It's hard enough trying to get Maxey and Harris to somehow find synergy in our rotation. Warren is an even less compatible player than those two.

[FireMorey]

He shoots them at a rate a little bit more than Harris, but I believe on a team like the Sixers that rate could jump substantially, and he could be a nice stretch wing type. He shoots them at a 40% clip.

[LloydFree]

20 million doesn't get you someone "just below top tier" in FA though. It gets you Spencer Dinwiddie.

You never know. That was enough to get Jerami Grant last year and nearly enough to get Zach Lavigne a couple years ago.

Okay, but Zach Lavine wasn't considered a top 50 player that offseason. Was he even considered a top 100 player? In other words, we'd likely be speculating on a player who's worse than Tobias (who we'd be sending out, plus picks) and hoping he gets to an elite level in enough time to compete for a title with Harden and Embiid. Does that player exist in this FA class?

I agree. That's why I'm not on the "trade Tobias at all costs" train. You're exactly right. By the time you jump through hoops trying to get rid of Tobias, you'd likely still be in the position of scraping up enough pennies to get someone to replace him who is no better.

All Tobias is doing is costing the owners tax money. I couldn't care less about that.

[Stanford]

I agree. That's why I'm not on the "trade Tobias at all costs" train. You're exactly right. By the time you jump through hoops trying to get rid of Tobias, you'd likely still be in the position of scraping up enough pennies to get someone to replace him who is no better.

Gotcha. Can't tell who/what I'm arguing with on here sometimes.

[Murray_17]

I'm still no sure why people think we can dump Tobias in the summer.

More over, you're pretty deluded if you think you're getting a CJ type package for him.


With Harden on the team, Tobias actually can be the third/fourth scoring option instead of asking him to be our second scorer. I'm more willing to see how he performs in that role than dumping him just because.

Specially when we're starting to run out in assets to use.

[Embiid-MVP]

I'm still no sure why people think we can dump Tobias in the summer.

More over, you're pretty deluded if you think you're getting a CJ type package for him.


With Harden on the team, Tobias actually can be the third/fourth scoring option instead of asking him to be our second scorer. I'm more willing to see how he performs in that role than dumping him just because.

Specially when we're starting to run out in assets to use.

I'm with you.

Also Im one of few that actual likes Tobias and glad we got the right pieces to allow him to be the 3rd/4th option. He's gonna thrive once they gel. Him n maxey are gonna be wide open or getting easy layups

[Murray_17]

I'm with you.

Also Im one of few that actual likes Tobias and glad we got the right pieces to allow him to be the 3rd/4th option. He's gonna thrive once they gel. Him n maxey are gonna be wide open or getting easy layups

I mean even if you don't think so, we have only one pick more to trade and is a 2029 one.

Unless you're willing to depart with Maxey/Thybulle or that pick no one is gonna take Tobias, and we're not getting "pieces" for him.

I'll add, it seems Josh Harris doesn't care about paying the tax as long as we contend, so getting rid of Harris is like a useless conversation in the cap sense. Unless you want to get another max player, which isn't happening anyways.

The summer should be explored seeing what you can get for guys like Shake or Korkmaz who are on super friendly contracts and are easy pieces to move

[zaz102]

I'm with you.

Also Im one of few that actual likes Tobias and glad we got the right pieces to allow him to be the 3rd/4th option. He's gonna thrive once they gel. Him n maxey are gonna be wide open or getting easy layups

I mean even if you don't think so, we have only one pick more to trade and is a 2029 one.

Unless you're willing to depart with Maxey/Thybulle or that pick no one is gonna take Tobias, and we're not getting "pieces" for him.

This is a good point. Its like the Tobias conundrum.

In my opinion:

Not worth the max. Not the best fit. Could probably trade him for an OK player, that's a better fit (C&S player), but it might cost an asset that might not be worth it. Also, I could be wrong, but I think any money they save might not be able to be used on FA any way.

I'm torn.

[Arsenal]

If Tobias was at least a good fit as our "3rd star" that would be one thing.

Unfortunately he's not. He doesn't shoot enough 3's. He isn't a good enough defender.

So if the opportunity arises to dump his contract for "nothing" then sign a better fit like RoCo, it's a must.

[Kobblehead]

He shoots them at a rate a little bit more than Harris, but I believe on a team like the Sixers that rate could jump substantially, and he could be a nice stretch wing type. He shoots them at a 40% clip.

2.6 three point attempts per 36 for his career.

T.J. Warren does not shoot threes.

[mjkvol]

Definitely don't need a third big piece. Just need a guy or two that can shoot threes and make plays defensively.

Sign Covington to the MLE to pair with Green and we're golden.

Agree with this. Clearing Harris' cap space will allow Morey to get pieces that fit around Embiid and Harden and maintain flexibility. Build depth that can shoot and play defense, and as you say, we're golden.

[HotelVitale]

I never thought it was realistic either, just saying Zach Lowe, who's pretty good has been saying that's the chatter around the league. Whether Morey has something cooked up remains to be seen.

I listened to that podcast, he definitely didn’t say it was a credible thing but rather one of a couple ‘fun conspiracy theories’ he was running through throughout the show. Iirc he said it wasn’t totally crazy (like some of the other ones he mentioned) but wasn’t likely.

[HotelVitale]

Definitely don't need a third big piece. Just need a guy or two that can shoot threes and make plays defensively.

Sign Covington to the MLE to pair with Green and we're golden.

Agree with this. Clearing Harris' cap space will allow Morey to get pieces that fit around Embiid and Harden and maintain flexibility. Build depth that can shoot and play defense, and as you say, we're golden.

You guys are still killing me with this. Both the idea that Covington would never think about coming for the tax MLE but would immediately be guaranteed to sign if we had the regular MLE, as well as the idea that Robert Covington is better than Harris.

Clearing Harris for nothing isn’t the worst idea, but it’s incredibly difficult to plan around and it’s at best a risky move that could easily backfire. Best case scenario it gets us like a Jae Crowder type, but we’d need several strokes of luck to get there and that type player is not clearly better than Tobias.