2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft

Negrodamus · Post #1261 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:57 pm

Mik317 wrote:was going to make an Ionian Harrison Barnes joke...but Barnes is literally from Iowa lol

so they will simply have two Harrison Barneses

The Ghost of Keegan Murray's Future.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1262 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:08 pm

It does feel like Hardy is gonna be the pick if he’s available. The way he’s dropped down boards feels a little reminiscent of Maxey who was considered a top 10ish talent but people got scared away by his college efficiency. Hardy’s shot is good but he played on a bad team with terrible spacing against experienced vets.

I think he could still give us 15 mins a game this year because of his shooting and his PnR ability. Give him Shake’s minutes, have him develop come playoff time, and hope for a year 2 leap.

Kobblehead · Post #1263 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:10 pm

The Kings demolished their team skill level by moving Haliburton and Hield for Sabonis. All the consensus guys at pick #4 are deficient from a skill perspective so I don't see them rectifying that with this pick.

They HAVE TO go off board or roll the dice with someone like Shaedon Sharpe. If they stay the course and just select a consensus guy, they're still going nowhere as a franchise.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1264 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:10 pm

Seems like Moore is most consistently mocked in the early 2nd round too. I’d love to trade Matisse for an unspectacular rotation player + an early 2nd so we can try to grab both Hardy & Moore.

Kobblehead · Post #1265 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:16 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Revision of a previous trade I suggested:

Tobi, Matisse, 23rd

for

Hayward, PJ Washington, #15 (Malaki Branham)

Charlotte gets a veteran, a 2nd team all defense, and keeps a first.

We get a quality C&S 3 point shooter with some playmaking ability, a high effort PF with some remaining untapped potential, and Malaki Branham, a guy who should probably be the fifth pick in this draft.

Definitely do that. And I'll even give them another future pick if they want it.

Branham is my top guy in this draft and I think he's going to be the next great SG in this league

I like Hayward enough as a ancillary scoring option. At this point in his career, he's probably slight downgrade for Tobias but totally worth it.

Kobblehead · Post #1266 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:19 pm

How do you think Jabari Smith feels about Jalen Suggs lobbying for Chet Holmgren so hard? I get that they're longtime friends, but still.

Negrodamus · Post #1267 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:30 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

I guess the Hayward deal will only be a fantasy. They want to get cap room so they can overpay someone like Tobias Harris in FA.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1268 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:36 pm

Negrodamus wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267477/Hornets-Trying-To-Trade-Gordon-Hayward-With-One-Draft-Pick

I guess the Hayward deal will only be a fantasy. They want to get cap room so they can overpay someone like Tobias Harris in FA.

Sounds like the Hornets are making an open plea to Presti to take a FRP off their hands.

Kobblehead · Post #1269 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:43 pm

Portland should be all over that.

Bledsoe and Hart can equal $30m for Hayward.

Hayward is a respected vet to help keep Lillard's ire at bay and the 1st round pick is added ammo for them to acquire a big piece.

Negrodamus · Post #1270 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:44 pm

I think the Pacers are pretty brilliant right now. They are seemingly the only team that's trying to blow it up right now and have some cap flexibility. I could definitely see them raking in some firsts or future firsts in the next 24 hours.

DCasey91 · Post #1271 » by **DCasey91** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:07 pm

Yeah if the Pacers play their cards right they should have a good future imo. They have their PG which took us eons to get lmao.

That Pacers team in 2018 was hugely underrated and would have been better than any iteration of the paper tiger Jazz but Lebron was magical that year (shame about Oladipo’s injuries dude was a two way stud).

Prime Oli/Turner/Sabonis would have been awesome imo.

ZarcMumoff · Post #1272 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:33 pm

I know Detroit dropped to #5 but I like either outcome of them ending up with Ivey or Mathurin. Ivey with more scoring punch, but a trio of Cade/Mathurin/Bey...that's a really versatile wing group.

Kobblehead · Post #1273 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:42 pm

Would love to see Detroit play it smart and take Branham. Pair my two favorite players in back to back drafts and then run the East in 3 years.

Negrodamus · Post #1274 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:17 pm

I wonder how pissed Jaden Hardy is that he didn't just practice with a college team for half a year and then go pro. Would probably be a top 10 pick right now without doing combine things or struggling on a team full of kids against grown men for a year.

Kobblehead · Post #1275 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:27 pm

Dyson Daniels was on that same team and is projected Top 10. Hardy should have just played better if he wanted to get drafted higher. Dude has shown no ancillary traits and all his shooting percentages are below par, across the board. Bret screwed Bret on this one.

Negrodamus · Post #1276 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:35 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Dyson Daniels was on that same team and is projected Top 10. Hardy should have just played better if he wanted to get drafted higher. Dude has shown no ancillary traits and all his shooting percentages are below par, across the board. Bret screwed Bret on this one.

Why do you like Dyson Daniels? Dude shot 52% from FT. Shot worse from 3 (27%). I mean, you want to talk about a dreadful shooting profile, Dyson has it.

Kobblehead · Post #1277 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:38 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Dyson Daniels was on that same team and is projected Top 10. Hardy should have just played better if he wanted to get drafted higher. Dude has shown no ancillary traits and all his shooting percentages are below par, across the board. Bret screwed Bret on this one.

Why do you like Dyson Daniels? Dude shot 52% from FT. Shot worse from 3 (27%). I mean, you want to talk about a dreadful shooting profile, Dyson has it.

I don't like Dyson Daniels, I'm just saying that being on that Ignite team didn't affect his draft stock. They were bad, but if you're flashing certain traits, teams will see value and take you high. Hardy's issue was he was an offense-only player that showed poor skill level.

Negrodamus · Post #1278 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:54 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Dyson Daniels was on that same team and is projected Top 10. Hardy should have just played better if he wanted to get drafted higher. Dude has shown no ancillary traits and all his shooting percentages are below par, across the board. Bret screwed Bret on this one.

Why do you like Dyson Daniels? Dude shot 52% from FT. Shot worse from 3 (27%). I mean, you want to talk about a dreadful shooting profile, Dyson has it.

I don't like Dyson Daniels, I'm just saying that being on that Ignite team didn't affect his draft stock. They were bad, but if you're flashing certain traits, teams will see value and take you high. Hardy's issue was he was an offense-only player that showed poor skill level.

Right, which is why I think this is a misstep of many teams in the league. Despite Hardy's inefficiencies, he's still a natural scorer who will likely turn a corner as he gets groomed, physically and mentally, on a professional team. Dyson being so high is confusing to me as he's an alluring 2-way player, but nothing really pops off offensively about him to me. If Hardy hits, which I completely acknowledge he could sputter out, then he can be the elite scorer he was projected to be out of HS and would be a massive steal.

I'd rather take that chance than a lot of these projects that are littered in the draft before him.

mjkvol · Post #1279 » by **mjkvol** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:12 pm

Kobblehead wrote:The Kings demolished their team skill level by moving Haliburton and Hield for Sabonis. All the consensus guys at pick #4 are deficient from a skill perspective so I don't see them rectifying that with this pick.

They HAVE TO go off board or roll the dice with someone like Shaedon Sharpe. If they stay the course and just select a consensus guy, they're still going nowhere as a franchise.

I think they are so shell shocked at this point and scared schiitless of blowing this pick they will just take the safest guy (Murray) if they can't move the pick, which they seem to be desperately trying to do.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1280 » by **Jailblazers7** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:15 pm

I think Hardy dropped because his finishing was so poor in the G League. His shot looks good so some of his inefficiency can be explained away by poor shot selection. But the real red flag is that his future becomes murky if he can’t finish over length given his rep as an iso scorer.

I think he figures it out given age and the experience he received in the G League. It’s a big jump to go from HS to running the show in a pro league so it’s not surprising he struggled.