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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1281 » by 76ciology » Sat May 27, 2017 5:05 pm

Trade Okafor for Harry Giles as hedge?
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1282 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat May 27, 2017 5:12 pm

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J_LA wrote:This kid needs a change of scenery. San Antonio would be great


Aside from Spurs, what other teams out there?

Maybe Warriors where he can play David West type role with a Draymond/KD or Iggy at wing? Since Lakers are trying to run a similar system, maybe he also fit with LA? They can run him at C with Ingram/Nance at wings.

Celts can use a similar non-rim protector and offensive C off the bench. Maybe for one of their stash last year?

Bulls also look like a good fit with Jimmy at the wing. Okafor-Mirotic frontcourt with Wade-Butler at the wings? They are 5th worst in ISO ppp. If defense drops, there's always Rondo and Portis to help?

Hornets also a poor ISO scoring team. They already are used to Zeller at C with good defensive wings of Batum&MKG.

Grizz struggles on ISO. Maybe a protege for either one of Gasol or Zach?

Mahinmi was useless in the play-offs. Don't think Jah could do much worse on D.

Rox can use him as substitute for the aging Nene.

Back-up for Nurkic to provide instant scoring whenever their backcourt seats, then just have ET-Aminu-Harkless at wings as support?

Just exploring potential trade partners


I think Okafor would be a horrible fit with the Warriors. They already have their scorers. They need their bigs to defend and Okafor is not useful unless he's scoring and he would not be even a 4th option to score. If you're a big for GS and can't defend or rebound they have no use for you.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1283 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 5:17 pm

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I think it's very unlikely any team would give up a midfirst just for Okafor. A team MIGHT give up a pick 25 or later but I think even that is unlikely. I think best case for Okafor in a lone trade just including him would be a high second round pick. Something like pick 38.


You aren't going get someone at pick 38 with anywhere near the talent of Okafor. Thats not decent value.


Yes you can. Brogdon went in the second round. Holmes was something like pick 39 or something and is better than Okafor. There's a lot of talent in the second round in this draft. I'd rather get a player like Josh Hart with pick 38 than keep Okafor. I'm probably being generous with pick 38 in a draft this deep.


Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1284 » by MR28 » Sat May 27, 2017 5:28 pm

I can't believe we're still wasting our time talking about this guy.
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Post#1285 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 5:41 pm

Agreed I'm sort of at the point whatever will be will be. I just don't see any value in 2nd round picks. I mean we already have 40 of them. Lets get some players
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1286 » by TTP » Sat May 27, 2017 6:21 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Agreed I'm sort of at the point whatever will be will be. I just don't see any value in 2nd round picks. I mean we already have 40 of them. Lets get some players


I don't see any value in dollars. I mean, we already have XXX,XXX of them.

See how ridiculous this logic is? Draft picks are currency. They can be used to purchase things. You can never have enough currency.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1287 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat May 27, 2017 6:58 pm

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You aren't going get someone at pick 38 with anywhere near the talent of Okafor. Thats not decent value.


Yes you can. Brogdon went in the second round. Holmes was something like pick 39 or something and is better than Okafor. There's a lot of talent in the second round in this draft. I'd rather get a player like Josh Hart with pick 38 than keep Okafor. I'm probably being generous with pick 38 in a draft this deep.


Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.


What's your point? There are a lot of players who probably have more value in this draft in the 2nd round vs value for Okafor. Would you rather see what Josh Hart can do for your team or get Okafor? What if Jawun Evans falls to the 2nd round. Do you think teams would take a chance on him or trade for Okafor? I don't know about you but I would rather draft an unproven talent like Josh Hart or Jawun Evans than keep Okafor. I think it would be tough to trade Okafor for pick 35 in this draft.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1288 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 6:59 pm

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spikeslovechild wrote:Agreed I'm sort of at the point whatever will be will be. I just don't see any value in 2nd round picks. I mean we already have 40 of them. Lets get some players


I don't see any value in dollars. I mean, we already have XXX,XXX of them.

See how ridiculous this logic is? Draft picks are currency. They can be used to purchase things. You can never have enough currency.


Currency for what who are we going to get for 2nd round picks? Stop with this bull. We have FOUR 2nd round picks this draft.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1289 » by spikeslovechild » Sat May 27, 2017 7:15 pm

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Yes you can. Brogdon went in the second round. Holmes was something like pick 39 or something and is better than Okafor. There's a lot of talent in the second round in this draft. I'd rather get a player like Josh Hart with pick 38 than keep Okafor. I'm probably being generous with pick 38 in a draft this deep.


Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.


What's your point? There are a lot of players who probably have more value in this draft in the 2nd round vs value for Okafor. Would you rather see what Josh Hart can do for your team or get Okafor? What if Jawun Evans falls to the 2nd round. Do you think teams would take a chance on him or trade for Okafor? I don't know about you but I would rather draft an unproven talent like Josh Hart or Jawun Evans than keep Okafor. I think it would be tough to trade Okafor for pick 35 in this draft.


My point is there is success stories everywhere if you look hard enough. You have to look at the odds mathematically and not cherry pick success stories.

For example I could find HOF'ers who struggled their sophomore year. EASY. Does that mean Okafor is going to be one? I once got into argument with a roommate who was convinced Kyle Boller was going to the next payton manning they both struggled their rookie years you see.

As far as the rest goes no I would not prefer to take a longshot stab on NBADL level talent hoping to get lucky. I'd rather watch Okafor flame out averaging 5 minutes a game because at least with him I know the talent is there to play in the NBA even if I never get it out of him.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1290 » by TTP » Sat May 27, 2017 7:31 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
TTP wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:Agreed I'm sort of at the point whatever will be will be. I just don't see any value in 2nd round picks. I mean we already have 40 of them. Lets get some players


I don't see any value in dollars. I mean, we already have XXX,XXX of them.

See how ridiculous this logic is? Draft picks are currency. They can be used to purchase things. You can never have enough currency.


Currency for what who are we going to get for 2nd round picks? Stop with this bull. We have FOUR 2nd round picks this draft.


They can be used for many different purposes. One obvious use (other than using them) is for moving up in the draft.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1291 » by J_LA » Sat May 27, 2017 7:51 pm

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J_LA wrote:This kid needs a change of scenery. San Antonio would be great


Aside from Spurs, what other teams out there?

Maybe Warriors where he can play David West type role with a Draymond/KD or Iggy at wing? Since Lakers are trying to run a similar system, maybe he also fit with LA? They can run him at C with Ingram/Nance at wings.

Celts can use a similar non-rim protector and offensive C off the bench. Maybe for one of their stash last year?

Bulls also look like a good fit with Jimmy at the wing. Okafor-Mirotic frontcourt with Wade-Butler at the wings? They are 5th worst in ISO ppp. If defense drops, there's always Rondo and Portis to help?

Hornets also a poor ISO scoring team. They already are used to Zeller at C with good defensive wings of Batum&MKG.

Grizz struggles on ISO. Maybe a protege for either one of Gasol or Zach?

Mahinmi was useless in the play-offs. Don't think Jah could do much worse on D.

Rox can use him as substitute for the aging Nene.

Back-up for Nurkic to provide instant scoring whenever their backcourt seats, then just have ET-Aminu-Harkless at wings as support?

Just exploring potential trade partners. Not change of scenery but more of change of role. No more expecting him to be special but more of trying to make him useful which he CAN.[/quote

I agree. I can see Celtics, Bulls or Grizzlies. I can definitely see him replacing Z-bo if they continue to play that style.

I said change of scenery because I think a fresh start would also be good for him. Seems like Philly fans and the coaching staff are ready to move on.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1292 » by HotelVitale » Sat May 27, 2017 8:49 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
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Unbreakable99 wrote:I just don't want Okafor on the team anymore. I hate watching him play too. Just pay another team to take him off our hands.
All due respect, the team don't make strategic decisions based on your aesthetic preferences, and we on the boards can't really argue or engage with them. Not all that helpful to just say that you're just annoyed by someone's existence.
Lol. This made me laugh out loud lol. Okafor's existence as a human being doesn't annoy me. Okafor on the Sixers annoys me. I'm just tired of him on the team.

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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1293 » by man-t-snow » Sat May 27, 2017 11:25 pm

Go with offer for jabari parker? After to acl injuries looks like another patient for our general hospistal

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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1294 » by spikeslovechild » Sun May 28, 2017 2:01 am

TTP wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
TTP wrote:
I don't see any value in dollars. I mean, we already have XXX,XXX of them.

See how ridiculous this logic is? Draft picks are currency. They can be used to purchase things. You can never have enough currency.


Currency for what who are we going to get for 2nd round picks? Stop with this bull. We have FOUR 2nd round picks this draft.


They can be used for many different purposes. One obvious use (other than using them) is for moving up in the draft.


Sigh. Once again we already have FOUR second rounders in the draft do you really think a fifth will be a required component of any trade. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see us sell some.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1295 » by Aussiepiston1 » Sun May 28, 2017 7:56 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
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Yes you can. Brogdon went in the second round. Holmes was something like pick 39 or something and is better than Okafor. There's a lot of talent in the second round in this draft. I'd rather get a player like Josh Hart with pick 38 than keep Okafor. I'm probably being generous with pick 38 in a draft this deep.


Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.


What's your point? There are a lot of players who probably have more value in this draft in the 2nd round vs value for Okafor. Would you rather see what Josh Hart can do for your team or get Okafor? What if Jawun Evans falls to the 2nd round. Do you think teams would take a chance on him or trade for Okafor? I don't know about you but I would rather draft an unproven talent like Josh Hart or Jawun Evans than keep Okafor. I think it would be tough to trade Okafor for pick 35 in this draft.

Josh Hart is older than Okafor :lol: WE can trade up to get him without Okafor.
He is an outstanding offensive weapon and had a nagging injury last year.
We get it, you can't stand watching him play but the FO isn't going to trade him for scraps because they know he's young and has upside if he can improve his D.
Imagine grizzlies giving up Gasol that early.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1296 » by jbent87 » Tue May 30, 2017 1:13 pm

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Unbreakable99 wrote:But if Okafor is on the team he won't get much playing time. Let's assume Embiid plays 32 minutes. That's 16 minutes left and Holmes is getting all of those minutes. Okafor will get a lot of DNPs. Just get rid of him.


but Embiid isn't playing back to backs. Those games Holmes will take the 32 mpg, so Okafor could come in handy showing glimpses in limited 16 mpg.


Where do you get Embiid isn't playing back to backs? I am pretty sure I heard no one will have restrictions at all next season.


just common sense. if this team has healthy embiid and simmons they are playoff bound. But to get to the playoffs, they need to remain that way. keeping embiid out of back to backs increases the chances of him staying healthy so just do it. embiid playing 60 games gets you to the playoffs.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1297 » by Simmons25 » Tue May 30, 2017 1:28 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
TTP wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Currency for what who are we going to get for 2nd round picks? Stop with this bull. We have FOUR 2nd round picks this draft.


They can be used for many different purposes. One obvious use (other than using them) is for moving up in the draft.


Sigh. Once again we already have FOUR second rounders in the draft do you really think a fifth will be a required component of any trade. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see us sell some.


We could package up pick 36 and 39 and do a swap with a team that is looking to rebuild and want young talent.

Brooklyn are in rebuild and need young talent. They may be ok with dropping down 9 spots to give away pick 27 to get 36 and 39.

Toronto only have 1 pick in the draft at 28. Would they move down 8 spots to get pick 36 and 30 from us. Maybe/Maybe not.

All picks have some value. Throw in Okafor and you may actually get a 1st rounder.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1298 » by CptCrunch » Tue May 30, 2017 2:33 pm

If Okafor is as bad and not-so-valuable as this board believes, the front office might as well waive him and give him his freedom.

#FreeOkafor #WaiveOkafor
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1299 » by agiaco » Tue May 30, 2017 3:28 pm

man-t-snow wrote:Go with offer for jabari parker? After to acl injuries looks like another patient for our general hospistal

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The Bucks already have Greg Monroe who is much better than Okafor. Plus the Bucks have invested in Jabari and I think they want to see his recovery out and keep him.
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Re: Where is Jahlil Okafor? 

Post#1300 » by spikeslovechild » Tue May 30, 2017 4:05 pm

paulbball wrote:If Okafor is as bad and not-so-valuable as this board believes, the front office might as well waive him and give him his freedom.

#FreeOkafor #WaiveOkafor


Yeah, pretty much but I find it extremely unlikely he is only worth a 2nd. Maybe the fall was that far I just have a hard time believing it.

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