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2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

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Post#1281 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:30 pm

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Please let this trade happen.

I mean, it makes too much sense for both squads to not happen. My guess is Okafor goes with #3. Also makes sense to add him to the deal.

I could see:

1. Fultz
2. Ball or Jackson
3. Fox
4. Ball or Jackson
5. Monk to Philly
6. Isaac
7. Markk
8. DSJ

If Tatum is sitting there at 9, and you've got 10....do you try to use a bunch of 2nds to try to get that pick from Dallas, now that you've made friends by letting them steal Noel?

Walking away from the draft with Monk and Tatum minus Okafor, I would be pretty happy.

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Post#1282 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:43 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
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Please let this trade happen.

I mean, it makes too much sense for both squads to not happen. My guess is Okafor goes with #3. Also makes sense to add him to the deal.

I could see:

1. Fultz
2. Ball or Jackson
3. Fox
4. Ball or Jackson
5. Monk to Philly
6. Isaac
7. Markk
8. DSJ

If Tatum is sitting there at 9, and you've got 10....do you try to use a bunch of 2nds to try to get that pick from Dallas, now that you've made friends by letting them steal Noel?

Walking away from the draft with Monk and Tatum minus Okafor, I would be pretty happy.

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I think it make sense sense for both teams to not do. Why would the Kings trade up? Fox is not going to go before 5. The Kings don't need to trade up for 3 to get Fox. Phoenix won't draft Fox. And why trade 2 picks just to move up to 2 spots for a guy who will be there at 5? Not happening. And why should the Sixers trade back when we can get one of Ball or Jackson? I can understand the Sixers trading back and I did think about it but after looking over everything I think it's best to stay at 3.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1283 » by BowlRips » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:47 pm

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hmmmm

at the same time the Kings rumors are swirling.
5th pick would put the 6ers in prime position to pick DSJ before the Magic take him
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1284 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:50 pm

Do you build to beat the best teams or do you build according to what you believe will best accommodate Simmons playing PG? Having a fast PG like Fox will cause GSW and the CAVS problems, having a short off ball SG like Monk will be easy money for them to compete against. Josh Jackson and Tatum are simple players for GSW and the CAVS to compete against. You have to make Kyrie and Curry play defense.
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Post#1285 » by jbent87 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:52 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Read on Twitter


Please let this trade happen.

I mean, it makes too much sense for both squads to not happen. My guess is Okafor goes with #3. Also makes sense to add him to the deal.

I could see:

1. Fultz
2. Ball or Jackson
3. Fox
4. Ball or Jackson
5. Monk to Philly
6. Isaac
7. Markk
8. DSJ

If Tatum is sitting there at 9, and you've got 10....do you try to use a bunch of 2nds to try to get that pick from Dallas, now that you've made friends by letting them steal Noel?

Walking away from the draft with Monk and Tatum minus Okafor, I would be pretty happy.

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I think it make sense sense for both teams to not do. Why would the Kings trade up? Fox is not going to go before 5. The Kings don't need to trade up for 3 to get Fox. Phoenix won't draft Fox. And why trade 2 picks just to move up to 2 spots for a guy who will be there at 5? Not happening. And why should the Sixers trade back when we can get one of Ball or Jackson? I can understand the Sixers trading back and I did think about it but after looking over everything I think it's best to stay at 3.


for all we know maybe this whole time "De'Aaron Fox" has really been Josh Jackson. It's smoke screen season.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1286 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:57 pm

#5 & #10 shouldn't get you as high as #3. #10 pick is too much of a gamble, especially in this draft the talent falls off at around #8 IMO.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1287 » by Kobblehead » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:00 pm

I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1288 » by City of Trees » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:15 pm

Today, Woj said the Kings have no interest in a 5/10 trade for 3. Trading both picks doesn't make sense for Sac when they can sit at 5 and still get one of Fox, DSJ, Tatum.

56:30 mark or a little past it I think
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Post#1289 » by sixerhp3 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:24 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


It would benefit us because we could still get who we are possibly eyeing at 5 and still have another possible stud available at 10. If it's been jackson this whole time then stay at 3 but otherwise it would be a smart move.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1290 » by Chris76 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:31 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


3 is a great spot, thx Hinkie. Players are having good workouts and teams are getting nervous about getting their best prospect. For example, Isaac is moving up. A 6'11 capable perimeter defender and shooter. Every team will need a player or few to guard the elite playmakers like Durant, Lebron, and Giannis. Isaac's defensive potential is very undervalued.

TLC 6'7 SG, defend PGs
Covington 6'9 SG,SF, defend SG
Simmons 6'10 PG, defend PF
Isaac 6'11 PF, defend SF
Embiid 7'2. C Rim protector

All two-way players that are mostly good shooters and matchup well on defense.
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Post#1291 » by LloydFree » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:44 pm

Lou_23 wrote:In his latest podcast Woj said that Kings don´t have intention to do a trade up...

There is no reason for them to trade up. Both Dennis Smith and De'Aaron Fox are likely to be available on the board when they pick at #5. Unless they want Ball or Jackson they should keep their picks.
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Post#1292 » by City of Trees » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:50 pm

Chris76 wrote:TLC 6'7 SG, defend PGs
Covington 6'9 SG,SF, defend SG
Simmons 6'10 PG, defend PF
Isaac 6'11 PF, defend SF
Embiid 7'2. C Rim protector


If Embiid and Simmons can stay healthy that's an interesting squad. I like it.

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Post#1293 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


If we had 5 and 10 I wouldn't want to trade up for 3. I don't think either team should trade. It's best for both to just stay where they are.
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Post#1294 » by Winejk » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:52 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


It would benefit us because we could still get who we are possibly eyeing at 5 and still have another possible stud available at 10. If it's been jackson this whole time then stay at 3 but otherwise it would be a smart move.



I'm fine with #3 for #5 and #10 because I think Dennis Smith may end up being the best player of this draft and he should be around at #5. I also think he's a good fit with Simmons and gives our roster a lot of flexibility. However, I'm not so enamored with #10 pick. I'd like to see if the #10 pick could be packaged with something to get to #8 or so. If BC can figure a way to get DSJ and Monk by trading down for #5 and #10, I'd be on board. Don't know if it is possible.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1295 » by Mik317 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:54 pm

The Kings just need bodies at this point. Too early in their "rebuild" to go all in IMO.
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Post#1296 » by LloydFree » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:05 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


If we had 5 and 10 I wouldn't want to trade up for 3. I don't think either team should trade. It's best for both to just stay where they are.


If I were the Kings and Lonzo Ball was available at #3, I'd trade 5-10 to move up. I wouldn't do it for anybody else.
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Post#1297 » by XtremeDunkz » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:17 pm

I don't wanna trade back. Take your guy at 3 and keep it moving. Whoever we would theoretically pick at 10 probably wouldn't find minutes for a good while anyway.
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Post#1298 » by sixerswillrule » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:17 pm

Chris76 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


3 is a great spot, thx Hinkie. Players are having good workouts and teams are getting nervous about getting their best prospect. For example, Isaac is moving up. A 6'11 capable perimeter defender and shooter. Every team will need a player or few to guard the elite playmakers like Durant, Lebron, and Giannis. Isaac's defensive potential is very undervalued.

TLC 6'7 SG, defend PGs
Covington 6'9 SG,SF, defend SG
Simmons 6'10 PG, defend PF
Isaac 6'11 PF, defend SF
Embiid 7'2. C Rim protector

All two-way players that are mostly good shooters and matchup well on defense.


That lineup needs another playmaker.
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Post#1299 » by freshie2 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:33 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I just don't see the point in deconsolidating. If we had two top 10 picks, we'd all be begging to trade into the Top 3. Now we're right where we want to be and people want to trade out?


3 is a great spot, thx Hinkie. Players are having good workouts and teams are getting nervous about getting their best prospect. For example, Isaac is moving up. A 6'11 capable perimeter defender and shooter. Every team will need a player or few to guard the elite playmakers like Durant, Lebron, and Giannis. Isaac's defensive potential is very undervalued.

TLC 6'7 SG, defend PGs
Covington 6'9 SG,SF, defend SG
Simmons 6'10 PG, defend PF
Isaac 6'11 PF, defend SF
Embiid 7'2. C Rim protector

All two-way players that are mostly good shooters and matchup well on defense.


That lineup needs another playmaker.


Embiid is a good passer and his ability to score from the post lessens the need for another playmaker. It's a lineup that can work for stretches with Saric, Sauce, and Bayless providing other offensive combinations.
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Post#1300 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:40 pm

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sixerswillrule wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
3 is a great spot, thx Hinkie. Players are having good workouts and teams are getting nervous about getting their best prospect. For example, Isaac is moving up. A 6'11 capable perimeter defender and shooter. Every team will need a player or few to guard the elite playmakers like Durant, Lebron, and Giannis. Isaac's defensive potential is very undervalued.

TLC 6'7 SG, defend PGs
Covington 6'9 SG,SF, defend SG
Simmons 6'10 PG, defend PF
Isaac 6'11 PF, defend SF
Embiid 7'2. C Rim protector

All two-way players that are mostly good shooters and matchup well on defense.


That lineup needs another playmaker.


Embiid is a good passer and his ability to score from the post lessens the need for another playmaker. It's a lineup that can work for stretches with Saric, Sauce, and Bayless providing other offensive combinations.


Embiid is beyond turnover prone. The people that want Ben Simmons at PG always suggest low BBall IQ starting lineups. It's mandatory that the starters collectively are dumb if Simmons is the starting "PG." I'm starting to believe that these people actually believe that Simmons will be "Lebron" because he's the only guy that could make these low Bball IQ lineups work.
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