Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Arsenal]

Tobias Harris is a way better running mate for Joel Embiid than Ben Simmons or Jimmy Butler.

Who cares if we overpay for him? He's 26, low maintenance personality, and can score from every level.

You've become completely obsessed with "3 level scoring" to the exclusion of everything else.

Tobias Harris is a good player, but he's not an all-star, he's not elite and he's mediocre on the defensive end. He's not even close to being worth $32M/yr and up which he'll get on his next contract.

Every dollar paid to him above his value is a dollar not available elsewhere to help the team.

False. We will be over the cap with our without him. If we only paid him his true value we'd pay less luxury tax and have no more money for other players.

You're wrong. The team has a set budget for payroll that they're not willing to go over, regardless of the cap and the tax. That is true for any organization in any business.

That means $10M wasted on a bad Tobias contract is $10M less available to fill out the rest of the roster.

This is the real world not a fantasy utopia.

[Sixerscan]

Don’t waste time with Kawhi.

[papajoe]

Stephen A seems convicned Tobias ended season unhappy with Role...

watch us lose both our Free agents.

[Negrodamus]

Great news everybody!

Read on Twitter

[Arsenal]

Swapping out Tobias for Kawhi would be fantastic, as a MAX for Kawhi is a positive value contract while a MAX for Tobias is a negative value contract.

Then hopefully Redick comes back for the vet min with the promise to make him whole with a large contract w/Bird rights next year (ala the Spurs w/Duncan, Manu, etc.).

Use the Room Exception for a backup wing, perhaps Mike Scott.

Grab a backup Center for the minimum who wants to ring chase, like Kyle O'Quinn or Ekpe Udoh.

Resign TJ for the minimum. Can promise him a bigger deal w/Bird Rights next year also if needed.

Convert Shake into a regular deal. Sign Shayok.

PG Redick | McConnell | Milton
SG Butler | Smith | ??
SF Leonard | Thybulle | Shayok
PF Simmons | Scott | ??
CE Embiid | Udoh | Bolden

You could just hand us the next 3 chips.

[Sixerscan]

You've become completely obsessed with "3 level scoring" to the exclusion of everything else.

Tobias Harris is a good player, but he's not an all-star, he's not elite and he's mediocre on the defensive end. He's not even close to being worth $32M/yr and up which he'll get on his next contract.

Every dollar paid to him above his value is a dollar not available elsewhere to help the team.

False. We will be over the cap with our without him. If we only paid him his true value we'd pay less luxury tax and have no more money for other players.

You're wrong. The team has a set budget for payroll that they're not willing to go over, regardless of the cap and the tax. That is true for any organization in any business.

That means $10M wasted on a bad Tobias contract is $10M less available to fill out the rest of the roster.

This is the real world not a fantasy utopia.

How would they access this $10 million?

If they let one of theses guys walk, and they sign people with cap space, the team salary is going to be lower than if they bring people back. There’s no getting around that.

[Arsenal]

Really hoping we can get Tobias for 5 yrs / $150M. That means a first year salary of $26M w/max raises, instead of the $32M max first year salary. That $6M difference would go a LONG way to helping us fill out the roster and stay under the luxury this year.

[BullyKing]

Swapping out Tobias for Kawhi would be fantastic, as a MAX for Kawhi is a positive value contract while a MAX for Tobias is a negative value contract.

Then hopefully Redick comes back for the vet min with the promise to make him whole with a large contract w/Bird rights next year (ala the Spurs w/Duncan, Manu, etc.).

Use the Room Exception for a backup wing, perhaps Mike Scott.

Grab a backup Center for the minimum who wants to ring chase, like Kyle O'Quinn or Ekpe Udoh.

Resign TJ for the minimum. Can promise him a bigger deal w/Bird Rights next year also if needed.

Convert Shake into a regular deal. Sign Shayok.

PG Redick | McConnell | Milton
SG Butler | Smith | ??
SF Leonard | Thybulle | Shayok
PF Simmons | Scott | ??
CE Embiid | Udoh | Bolden

You could just hand us the next 3 chips.

It's not possible to open up Kawhi's max while keeping Butler's hold.

[Arsenal]

False. We will be over the cap with our without him. If we only paid him his true value we'd pay less luxury tax and have no more money for other players.

You're wrong. The team has a set budget for payroll that they're not willing to go over, regardless of the cap and the tax. That is true for any organization in any business.

That means $10M wasted on a bad Tobias contract is $10M less available to fill out the rest of the roster.

This is the real world not a fantasy utopia.

How would they access this $10 million?

If they let one of theses guys walk, and they sign people with cap space, the team salary is going to be lower than if they bring people back. There’s no getting around that.

Making trades to bring back more salary. Using exceptions they wouldn't use otherwise. I'm sure you know this.

[Slacktard]

False. We will be over the cap with our without him. If we only paid him his true value we'd pay less luxury tax and have no more money for other players.

You're wrong. The team has a set budget for payroll that they're not willing to go over, regardless of the cap and the tax. That is true for any organization in any business.

That means $10M wasted on a bad Tobias contract is $10M less available to fill out the rest of the roster.

This is the real world not a fantasy utopia.

How would they access this $10 million?

[Arsenal]

Swapping out Tobias for Kawhi would be fantastic, as a MAX for Kawhi is a positive value contract while a MAX for Tobias is a negative value contract.

Then hopefully Redick comes back for the vet min with the promise to make him whole with a large contract w/Bird rights next year (ala the Spurs w/Duncan, Manu, etc.).

Use the Room Exception for a backup wing, perhaps Mike Scott.

Grab a backup Center for the minimum who wants to ring chase, like Kyle O'Quinn or Ekpe Udoh.

Resign TJ for the minimum. Can promise him a bigger deal w/Bird Rights next year also if needed.

Convert Shake into a regular deal. Sign Shayok.

PG Redick | McConnell | Milton
SG Butler | Smith | ??
SF Leonard | Thybulle | Shayok
PF Simmons | Scott | ??
CE Embiid | Udoh | Bolden

You could just hand us the next 3 chips.

It's not possible to open up Kawhi's max while keeping Butler's hold.

My bad, we'd have to give away Zhaire Smith also. Which would be very easy to do.

[VDT]

It seemed to me that throughout last year there never was a point when all players were satisfied with their roles. Embiid and Butler's complaints went public, i am sure Simmons was not satisfied with his role during the playoffs now it is mentioned that Harris was not also satisfied.

It will be interesting to see whether they will choose to come back and sign a multi year contract and whether Brown has a better plan to utilize them.

[fl311]

Really hoping we can get Tobias for 5 yrs / $150M. That means a first year salary of $26M w/max raises, instead of the $32M max first year salary. That $6M difference would go a LONG way to helping us fill out the roster and stay under the luxury this year.

He's going to be offered 4/140 from other teams. He's not going to take 5/150

[Sixerscan]

You're wrong. The team has a set budget for payroll that they're not willing to go over, regardless of the cap and the tax. That is true for any organization in any business.

That means $10M wasted on a bad Tobias contract is $10M less available to fill out the rest of the roster.

This is the real world not a fantasy utopia.

How would they access this $10 million?

If they let one of theses guys walk, and they sign people with cap space, the team salary is going to be lower than if they bring people back. There’s no getting around that.

Making trades to bring back more salary. Using exceptions they wouldn't use otherwise. I'm sure you know this.

And I’m sure you’re aware that you have to match salaries, so there’s only so high you can go. And who are we trading? Bolden? Everyone beside Jo on the roster is on rookie deals.

There’s one $4 million exception available for teams that use cap space. There is either a 5 or 9 million exception for teams that don’t, as well as the BAE if you stay under the apron.

A team that uses cap space can realistically have a team salary of 113, the cap plus the 4 for the room exception. That’s just a lot lower than the alternative.

[Arsenal]

How would they access this $10 million?

If they let one of theses guys walk, and they sign people with cap space, the team salary is going to be lower than if they bring people back. There’s no getting around that.

Making trades to bring back more salary. Using exceptions they wouldn't use otherwise. I'm sure you know this.

And I’m sure you’re aware that you have to match salaries, so there’s only so high you can go. And who are we trading? Bolden? Everyone beside Jo on the roster is on rookie deals.

There’s one $4 million exception available for teams that use cap space. There is either a 5 or 9 million exception for teams that don’t, as well as the BAE if you stay under the apron.

A team that uses cap space can realistically have a team salary of 113, the cap plus the 4 for the room exception. That’s just a lot lower than the alternative.

You're changing the issue. We could have operated as an over the cap team if we hadn't done the Tobias deal in order to keep all those exceptions.

Having $10M extra also means you can resign guys you'll otherwise have to let walk, along with trading for more salary, and using exceptions that you otherwise wouldn't.

I really can't believe people are arguing against this. Every team has a CASH BUDGET for payroll that they won't go over. Every dollar wasted somewhere is a dollar that can't be used within that cash budget.

This is the very simple concept of "Opportunity Cost" from Economics 101.

[Arsenal]

Really hoping we can get Tobias for 5 yrs / $150M. That means a first year salary of $26M w/max raises, instead of the $32M max first year salary. That $6M difference would go a LONG way to helping us fill out the roster and stay under the luxury this year.

He's going to be offered 4/140 from other teams. He's not going to take 5/150

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

[fl311]

Really hoping we can get Tobias for 5 yrs / $150M. That means a first year salary of $26M w/max raises, instead of the $32M max first year salary. That $6M difference would go a LONG way to helping us fill out the roster and stay under the luxury this year.

He's going to be offered 4/140 from other teams. He's not going to take 5/150

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

[Negrodamus]

We're going to end up offering Brogdon the max 2 years after the Sixers community anointed him the "Process Enemy" because he beat Joel in the ROY race.

It's in the prophecy.

[Arsenal]

He's going to be offered 4/140 from other teams. He's not going to take 5/150

What do you think we're going to offer - the full 5/190?

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

Everyone knew this would be the situation because of all the teams with cap space. Yet this front office stupidly traded for him anyway. Doesn't inspire confidence.

We either lose him for nothing or overpay by $8-10M per year.

Good GM's are the ones who avoid this type of situation.

Bad GM's are the ones who put themselves into this type of situation.

[Sixerscan]

Making trades to bring back more salary. Using exceptions they wouldn't use otherwise. I'm sure you know this.

And I’m sure you’re aware that you have to match salaries, so there’s only so high you can go. And who are we trading? Bolden? Everyone beside Jo on the roster is on rookie deals.

There’s one $4 million exception available for teams that use cap space. There is either a 5 or 9 million exception for teams that don’t, as well as the BAE if you stay under the apron.

A team that uses cap space can realistically have a team salary of 113, the cap plus the 4 for the room exception. That’s just a lot lower than the alternative.

You're changing the issue. We could have operated as an over the cap team if we hadn't done the Tobias deal in order to keep all those exceptions.

Having $10M extra also means you can resign guys you'll otherwise have to let walk, along with trading for more salary, and using exceptions that you otherwise wouldn't.

I really can't believe people are arguing against this. Every team has a CASH BUDGET for payroll that they won't go over. Every dollar wasted somewhere is a dollar that can't be used within that cash budget.

This is the very simple concept of "Opportunity Cost" from Economics 101.

But if they operate as an over the cap team they can’t use cap space... it would be the same team with those exceptions only you don’t have Harris... would you really rather have Boban and the BAE over him?