The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

Bum Adebayo · Post #1281 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:50 pm

I seriously thought this time he changed and put in hard work in summer, and was fully committed to improve his shot. Clearly not the case, he deserves zero sympathy with all the talent he has.
I compared him with Kyrgios, but he is not even funny like him. Kyrgios serves a purpose, which is to entertain, Simmons does nothing like that, aside from coasting on talent.

phillynative · Post #1282 » by **phillynative** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:56 pm

Your not being practical why would we trade injury prone jrue (im a fan) for a young ben simmons?

DaSixers · Post #1283 » by **DaSixers** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:08 pm

Because ben simmons is the worst half court offensive player in the entire NBA. And we have championship aspirations. Thats why

Toby_White · Post #1284 » by **Toby_White** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 3:57 pm

DaSixers wrote:Because ben simmons is the worst half court offensive player in the entire NBA. And we have championship aspirations. Thats why

Okay so now he is the WORST Halfcourt Player in the League?

I´m with you, he needs to shoot the Ball and go hard to the Basket. Theres no excuse for not doing this. There no reason, to not shoot 2 Threes a Game!

Other than that, theres no need to Bash him right now. Were 6 Games in, 2 of those Games witout Jo. Were 5-1 and he is improved on the defensive end. Also I like seeing him beeing used as a screener more. He created a lot of open looks for Tobias in the PnR. Hopefully this is something we do more often and get better at. The lack of Ballhandlers in this team really sucks for that matter. Tobias and Josh, are not the best passers. Ben could be really good in those Roll Situations.
Id like to see some Neto/Simmons PnR and less J Rich as Ballhandler.

Wich brings me to my main Point. It for sure looks like he´s regressed on Offense. I think we need to consider, that with the new Team, it even got tougher for him. The losss of Redick is a big Issue. We simply lack Shooting. Whos our best Shooter? Honestly, I dont know. Tobias is Streaky af and takes way les threes than we need from him. Can J Rich shoot at all? Maybe it´s just a slump and his ugly form makes me doubt him, but right now he´s not a real threat from outside. Also both of them, are not really good at coming of screens or shooting out of the PnR. The only thing that seems to work, is Horford as a Trailor and as a Popper.
Furkans last two games give me a bit of Hope tough. His release is quicker, and Brett and his Teammates trust him to shoot. He looks way more confident. But hoping for Korkmaz to become a real Threat is not the best thing.

I think losing Redick really hurts us (and him too btw). His gravity, is something we simply dont have anymore. He could start a Run for us at all Times, and he helped Ben and Jo so much. I think this is a Big Part of Ben´s struggle right now. Its just tough and maybe we need to give him a lil more Time.

People that wanna Trade him, what do you have in Mind? Overpaying DLo is not the Answer. As much as I´d love Jrue, he´s Old and way to Injury Prone. If we Trade Ben, we need to get more Value!

GWPhilly34 · Post #1285 » by **GWPhilly34** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 4:45 pm

Agree with a lot of what is being said just not as drastically. When Hezonja was sagging off by ten feet on Saturday he needed to take shots. He needs to start taking these shots or he is hurting our teams length by allowing double teams. His finishing is also not where it was. The fade away hook shots need to stop.

It is the coaches responsibility to hold him accountable so I hope Brett keeps pushing Neto when Ben isn't getting the job done.

He is still an All-Star he just needs to push through some mental barriers. It is hard to fail when he's been so good his whole life but the coaching staff needs to preach break it down to build it up.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1286 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 6:04 pm

I agree though it is not entirely his fault, this starts with Brett, his coddling has been denied here many times but it has been evident. Brett is a yes man coach, and while he did a solid job overall in Raptors series, nothing will change that. Raptors series saved his Sixers career, but unfortunately will cost us our championship aspirations.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1287 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 6:10 pm

Toby_White wrote:
DaSixers wrote:Because ben simmons is the worst half court offensive player in the entire NBA. And we have championship aspirations. Thats why

Okay so now he is the WORST Halfcourt Player in the League?

I´m with you, he needs to shoot the Ball and go hard to the Basket. Theres no excuse for not doing this. There no reason, to not shoot 2 Threes a Game!

Other than that, theres no need to Bash him right now. Were 6 Games in, 2 of those Games witout Jo. Were 5-1 and he is improved on the defensive end. Also I like seeing him beeing used as a screener more. He created a lot of open looks for Tobias in the PnR. Hopefully this is something we do more often and get better at. The lack of Ballhandlers in this team really sucks for that matter. Tobias and Josh, are not the best passers. Ben could be really good in those Roll Situations.
Id like to see some Neto/Simmons PnR and less J Rich as Ballhandler.

Wich brings me to my main Point. It for sure looks like he´s regressed on Offense. I think we need to consider, that with the new Team, it even got tougher for him. The losss of Redick is a big Issue. We simply lack Shooting. Whos our best Shooter? Honestly, I dont know. Tobias is Streaky af and takes way les threes than we need from him. Can J Rich shoot at all? Maybe it´s just a slump and his ugly form makes me doubt him, but right now he´s not a real threat from outside. Also both of them, are not really good at coming of screens or shooting out of the PnR. The only thing that seems to work, is Horford as a Trailor and as a Popper.
Furkans last two games give me a bit of Hope tough. His release is quicker, and Brett and his Teammates trust him to shoot. He looks way more confident. But hoping for Korkmaz to become a real Threat is not the best thing.

I think losing Redick really hurts us (and him too btw). His gravity, is something we simply dont have anymore. He could start a Run for us at all Times, and he helped Ben and Jo so much. I think this is a Big Part of Ben´s struggle right now. Its just tough and maybe we need to give him a lil more Time.

People that wanna Trade him, what do you have in Mind? Overpaying DLo is not the Answer. As much as I´d love Jrue, he´s Old and way to Injury Prone. If we Trade Ben, we need to get more Value!

Gotta say Booker would've been a good option, I've been very critical of him because of his horrendous defense and his winning impact is still suspect, but looking at it, Simmons is not even a great defender to justify his terrible halfcourt offense, at least Booker gives you good offense and something we need. Too late though.
BTW, all this talk about how we've lost shooters, well, he is not good enough right now to worry about fitting pieces, we should be more worried about how our pieces fit with Embiid because, you know, he is our best player. Trying to build around both Embiid and Simmons is a futile effort. It is one or another, you can keep both no problem but the other will then have to be relegated to being a role player.

youngcrev · Post #1288 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 6:33 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:BTW, all this talk about how we've lost shooters, well, he is not good enough right now to worry about fitting pieces, we should be more worried about how our pieces fit with Embiid because, you know, he is our best player. Trying to build around both Embiid and Simmons is a futile effort. It is one or another, you can keep both no problem but the other will then have to be relegated to being a role player.

Well, you need shooters regardless. I don't really get the building around one or the other mantra though. I see how Ben gets in the way of Embiid, but not the other way around. I don't really see any scenario where a guy with Embiid's skillset doesn't fit. Figuring out what to do with Ben in the half court is something that exists independently of Joel IMO. I don't think he's someone that can carry you if you just surround him with shooters.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1289 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 6:41 pm

youngcrev wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:BTW, all this talk about how we've lost shooters, well, he is not good enough right now to worry about fitting pieces, we should be more worried about how our pieces fit with Embiid because, you know, he is our best player. Trying to build around both Embiid and Simmons is a futile effort. It is one or another, you can keep both no problem but the other will then have to be relegated to being a role player.

Well, you need shooters regardless. I don't really get the building around one or the other mantra though. I see how Ben gets in the way of Embiid, but not the other way around. I don't really see any scenario where a guy with Embiid's skillset doesn't fit. Figuring out what to do with Ben in the half court is something that exists independently of Joel IMO. I don't think he's someone that can carry you if you just surround him with shooters.

It does because you could have a good shot creator instead of ben, who can be a huge threat and make it much easier for Embiid to operate in the post, much less double teams, etc. With Simmons double teams are constant.
With Simmons, you would theoretically put 4 shooters around him at all times and see how it goes. But here it's not gonna happen because Embiid is much better.

DaSixers · Post #1290 » by **DaSixers** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 7:10 pm

Name a worse half court bball player than simmons. Plz do

Our pg can not create his own shot, that is a DEATH KNELL in the nba..

youngcrev · Post #1291 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 5, 2019 7:54 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:BTW, all this talk about how we've lost shooters, well, he is not good enough right now to worry about fitting pieces, we should be more worried about how our pieces fit with Embiid because, you know, he is our best player. Trying to build around both Embiid and Simmons is a futile effort. It is one or another, you can keep both no problem but the other will then have to be relegated to being a role player.

Well, you need shooters regardless. I don't really get the building around one or the other mantra though. I see how Ben gets in the way of Embiid, but not the other way around. I don't really see any scenario where a guy with Embiid's skillset doesn't fit. Figuring out what to do with Ben in the half court is something that exists independently of Joel IMO. I don't think he's someone that can carry you if you just surround him with shooters.

It does because you could have a good shot creator instead of ben, who can be a huge threat and make it much easier for Embiid to operate in the post, much less double teams, etc. With Simmons double teams are constant.
With Simmons, you would theoretically put 4 shooters around him at all times and see how it goes. But here it's not gonna happen because Embiid is much better.

Double teams are constant for Embiid whether Simmons is out there or not, but yes, I obviously get how Ben hurts Embiid at times.

I just don't see it the other way. Even if we are building around Ben similar to Giannis... Do we think the Bucks wouldn't kill to have Embiid?

TheBallsDeeper · Post #1292 » by **TheBallsDeeper** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 12:26 am

GWPhilly34 wrote:Agree with a lot of what is being said just not as drastically. When Hezonja was sagging off by ten feet on Saturday he needed to take shots. He needs to start taking these shots or he is hurting our teams length by allowing double teams. His finishing is also not where it was. The fade away hook shots need to stop.

It is the coaches responsibility to hold him accountable so I hope Brett keeps pushing Neto when Ben isn't getting the job done.

He is still an All-Star he just needs to push through some mental barriers. It is hard to fail when he's been so good his whole life but the coaching staff needs to preach break it down to build it up.

Simmons does not need to take shots - because he can't shoot. It's just throwing the ball away. For every cherry-picked Instagram video that was posted over the break, there is ten of him in the background of other videos missing shot after shot under no pressure.

There is no point just giving the ball away because we want Simmons to shoot. He either needs to start shooting with his correct hand or head to the bench.

Simmons25 · Post #1293 » by **Simmons25** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 12:50 am

Read on Twitter

LOL at this point I am not sure who is trolling us more. Pompey or Simmons.

I hope next home game Simmons is jeered every time he fails to take an open shot.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1294 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 1:35 am

The Sixers are in a very difficult spot with Simmons now, because of the position he plays, his rookie deal and how the team is built there isn't a realistic package out there for him even if they wanted to move him right now, because they'd have to get a starting level PG back + young player in return. Like the ideal trade would probably be Jrue Holiday and Brandon Ingram for him & Smith, but because he's still on his rookie deal you'd have to do Ingram for him and then you'd have no PG or you'd have to wait until the offseason. If you play out the season and he's not shooting or has a bad playoffs then his value drops, obviously the best case scenario is he starts shooting pull up jumpers from the foul line ala Westbrook and taking corner threes, but that just doesn't seem likely.

youngcrev · Post #1295 » by **youngcrev** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 1:41 am

DaSixers wrote:Name a worse half court bball player than simmons. Plz do

Our pg can not create his own shot, that is a DEATH KNELL in the nba..

Matise Thybulle?

DaSixers · Post #1296 » by **DaSixers** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 2:07 am

Thybulle will take and make an open 3, ben wont

Holiday and ingram for simmons would make us instant title favorites.. and ive been an ingram hater but i am now worried ingram is gona turn out better. Problem is NO probly says no.. simmons is killing his value

DaSixers · Post #1297 » by **DaSixers** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 2:18 am

SGA for simmons. Okc probablu says no too.. but id do it in a heartbeat

76ciology · Post #1298 » by **76ciology** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 2:30 am

He doesnt even need to take those jumpers. He just needs to be relentless in attacking to the basket and getting to the line. He’s a star and he will get calls.

Jumper will just be a bonus because nobody expects him to be an average shooter at this point.

He has this Iguodala syndrome that he’s too good physically to be a scorer but its not in his mentality.

sodmoraes · Post #1299 » by **sodmoraes** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 4:01 am

I would probably trade simmons for fultz,broken jumper and all. Atleast he has the balls to shoot.

DaSixers wrote:SGA for simmons. Okc probablu says no too.. but id do it in a heartbeat

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Sasashi · Post #1300 » by **Sasashi** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 4:02 am

The whole fanbase is starting to turn on him and rightfully so. Brett Brown has a lot to do with this as well....a mentally weak player being managed by a mentally weak coach. They coddled fultz, they are now coddling simmons. Make him shoot 5 times a game or be benched. It’s as simple as that.

This team wont do jack with the current version of Simmons. I never thought I’d see the day, but ship him off to the west coast already. This guy is not fit to play here.

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