Joel Embiid

[76ciology]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Why all the reporters think its so taboo to even mention trading Embiid is weird to me. Shouldnt they learned from Hinkie about selling high?

You’ll lose followers if you dont say something popular or according to most beliefs. This lead to beliefs and ideas can’t get stress tested.

Another thing is imagine how Embiid would treat him next time he asks for info or question during interview

[zaz102]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Why all the reporters think its so taboo to even mention trading Embiid is weird to me. Shouldnt they learned from Hinkie about selling high?

I think it's because it doesn't happen. Stars aren't typically traded for stars. Also history- I can't think of a time a star was traded unless they asked out or some other weird situation.

Let's say a star is available like Harden. Giving up the Nets package/proposed Sixers package (and Sixers kept Embiid) gives you a legitimate shot at winning the title.

You can argue for rebuilding, but it's so hard to get to this point, not sure why management would entertain that or why fans would want that.

For reporters, the thought can be brought up, but it's more mental masturbatory than anything. It's the same why they might not go on about other hypotheticals (what if X player was drafted instead, what if X player from past was on the team, etc.).

[zaz102]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Why all the reporters think its so taboo to even mention trading Embiid is weird to me. Shouldnt they learned from Hinkie about selling high?

You’ll lose followers if you dont say something popular or according to most beliefs. This lead to beliefs and ideas can’t get stress tested.

Another thing is imagine how Embiid would treat him next time he asks for info or question during interview

Thats not true. Controversy creates cash. SAS, Skip Bayless, Eskin, Howard Stern, politics, etc. You can bring in viewers with controversy.

IMO, Bodner specifically, discusses what he believes is true (positive and negative). He might not be right, but he doesn't come off as someone just trying to get listeners/readers.

[Sixerscan]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Why all the reporters think its so taboo to even mention trading Embiid is weird to me. Shouldnt they learned from Hinkie about selling high?

You’ll lose followers if you dont say something popular or according to most beliefs. This lead to beliefs and ideas can’t get stress tested.

Another thing is imagine how Embiid would treat him next time he asks for info or question during interview

Or he just actually thinks it's a dumb idea.

Also "taboo" lol he literally picked the question and talked about it on his podcast.

[XtremeDunkz]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Why all the reporters think its so taboo to even mention trading Embiid is weird to me. Shouldnt they learned from Hinkie about selling high?

You sell high on prospects not top mvp level players in their prime. Some of you guys are **** dumb and shouldn't even watch sports.

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[yuuby]

Embiid stans gets so emotional when you point out his flaws.

2018: outplayed by rozier, tatum and horford

2019: outplayed by siakam, butler and kawhi

2020: outplayed by kemba, brown and tatum

2021: outplayed by a 3rd year midget

Embiid is not an MVP caliber player in a normal year he had a fluke run in a covid season just like Paul George had a fluke campaign in 2019.

There are at least 15+ players anyone who thinks rationally would have over Embiid in the playoffs:

KD
Harden
Giannis
Lebron
Jokic
AD
Lillard
Luka
Curry
Kawhi
PG
Booker
CP3
Mitchell
Tatum
Trae
Kyrie
Butler (who outplayed him as teammates)

Embiid is not as special as our fanbase wants you to believe. He plays dinosaur ball on both ends.

His offense is post up and midrange isos which is prehostoric ball.

His defense is non switchable drop coverage which is exploited by any decent guard in the playoffs.

And thats before we even get into the injury concerns. Whats not to like eh?

[sodmoraes]

I think Yuuby is Syntax burner account.

[XtremeDunkz]

I think Yuuby is Syntax burner account.

Its 100% a burner/troll account from someone. no reason for anyone to respond.

[eyeatoma]

I was listening to bodner’s latest podcast about the Sixers.

Someone asked why we shouldnt trade Embiid.

He answer simply was “because he’s a top 5 player” and he says how there should be optimism about a top level creative GM working with Embiid.

I feel he also knows the problem and he’s just hoping Morey can do his magic.

I also dont like the “because he’s a top 5 NBA player” it’s like if some asks me why we shouldnt trade Ben and my response is “because he’s an ALL nba team player and a runner up for DPOY, how many players in the league are on that level?”

I just feel like if you want to discuss or solve a problem, you have to be more thorough in dissecting the problem rather than just see things in face value, and this is why we keep losing by shielding the problem with “but Ben and Jojo are a good fit”.

Those two kind of players are very different you know that right? Top 5 player is an MVP calibre player. An all-star who can be a DPOY is a much wider spectrum. Simmons gets voted in by the coaches every time so he's barely making it after he has his month averaging 20 ppg or so, before he goes back to playing like he's thinking about the next gaming tournament he can join. The chasm between these two is so vast that your analogy does not work in any universe. At this point Simmons is a top 30 to 40 player. They are far easier to acquire via trades, than top 5 players. The only way you can acquire a top 5 player is if they are disgruntled or you drafted them. They are generally generational and are the most important piece to a championship team. Despite his injuries and efficiency drop in the 4th ( mainly because of supporting cast), Joel is someone you don't trade unless you have to. And no, we are not at that stage yet.

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[eyeatoma]

Embiid stans gets so emotional when you point out his flaws.

2018: outplayed by rozier, tatum and horford

2019: outplayed by siakam, butler and kawhi

2020: outplayed by kemba, brown and tatum

2021: outplayed by a 3rd year midget

Embiid is not an MVP caliber player in a normal year he had a fluke run in a covid season just like Paul George had a fluke campaign in 2019.

There are at least 15+ players anyone who thinks rationally would have over Embiid in the playoffs:

KD
Harden
Giannis
Lebron
Jokic
AD
Lillard
Luka
Curry
Kawhi
PG
Booker
CP3
Mitchell
Tatum
Trae
Kyrie
Butler (who outplayed him as teammates)

Embiid is not as special as our fanbase wants you to believe. He plays dinosaur ball on both ends.

His offense is post up and midrange isos which is prehostoric ball.

His defense is non switchable drop coverage which is exploited by any decent guard in the playoffs.

And thats before we even get into the injury concerns. Whats not to like eh?

Is there a way to turn this guy off?

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[Hal_Greer]

For one thing, stop quoting him.

[yuuby]

If you actually believe Embiid is a top 5 player there is no point in discussing Embiid trades since you don't actually see the NBA for what it is.

Forget the debateable guys like Butler and Mitchell does anyone think Embiid is actually better than a single guy in this top 10 list in a normal regular season + playoffs?

My Top 10 (not in order):

KD
Curry
Kawhi
Luka
Lebron
Harden
Jokic
AD
Lillard
Giannis

[eyeatoma]

If you actually believe Embiid is a top 5 player there is no point in discussing Embiid trades since you don't actually see the NBA for what it is.

Forget the debateable guys like Butler and Mitchell does anyone think Embiid is actually better than a single guy in this top 10 list in a normal regular season + playoffs?

My Top 10 (not in order):

KD
Curry
Kawhi
Luka
Lebron
Harden
Jokic
AD
Lillard
Giannis

He was the MVP until the all star game and you have him outside the top 10. Think about that.


Joel Embiid was better than Lillard, Ad, Luka, Kawhi, Giannis, LeBron and KD/Harden this year.
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[yuuby]

He was the MVP until the all star game and you have him outside the top 10. Think about that.


Joel Embiid was better than Lillard, Ad, Luka, Kawhi, Giannis, LeBron and KD/Harden this year.

He may have had a better regular season due to it being a weird covid year but no one seriously believes he is better than a single player on my top 10 list if they are being honest.

Westbrook won MVP and he wasnt even a top 5 player in the league.

PG was 3rd place in MVP 2 years ago and no one considered him top 10 in the league.

Embiid has never been a top 10 player in the league let alone a top 5 player. If you value him like that then there is no point in trading him. I would never trade a top 5 player in the league.

[eyeatoma]

He was the MVP until the all star game and you have him outside the top 10. Think about that.


Joel Embiid was better than Lillard, Ad, Luka, Kawhi, Giannis, LeBron and KD/Harden this year.

He may have had a better regular season due to it being a weird covid year but no one seriously believes he is better than a single player on my top 10 list if they are being honest.

Westbrook won MVP and he wasnt even a top 5 player in the league.

PG was 3rd place in MVP 2 years ago and no one considered him top 10 in the league.

Embiid has never been a top 10 player in the league let alone a top 5 player. If you value him like that then there is no point in trading him. I would never trade a top 5 player in the league.

Lol actually they do, he was that good.


And yes I do value him that high. The only player I would trade him for is Luka because he'll get better. That's it.

So end of discussion right? You'll stop broaching the subject?
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[phillynative]

Joel Embiid hasnt even had a chance to play with a legit PG/Peremiter player yet. Lets maybe explore that first before shipping him off to rebuild.

[DCasey91]

All in for Ingram!!! just call up the Pels and say you need defense, Thybulle is part of our trade package we just gave you a DPOY next year, give us Kmart KD lol.

[syntax]

Joel Embiid hasnt even had a chance to play with a legit PG/Peremiter player yet. Lets maybe explore that first before shipping him off to rebuild.

Jimmy Butler?

Embiid shot 37% 17,9 for the series against Raptors.

[Tomjas]

Joel Embiid hasnt even had a chance to play with a legit PG/Peremiter player yet. Lets maybe explore that first before shipping him off to rebuild.

Jimmy Butler?

Embiid shot 37% 17,9 for the series against Raptors.

Jimmy is not an elite playmaker and was pretty ordinary when asked to perform that role here

[Mik317]

None of those guys in your top 10 won by themselves.

Thats it thats all.

Giannis is trying to solo two of those guys ffs....and can't.

Embiid is not perfect. Still needs to be in better health. Still needs to improve his passing. Still needs to improve his shooting. And yes potentially his style of play could be hard to win with.

However the fact is that the one time he had someone who could consistantly create for themselves, the team took the eventual champs to 7 and was stated to be the hardest test they had that run...and lost on a all time shot. And that shot creator didn't even take 3s and Embiid is a much better player today than he was then.

and yet your bright idea is to trade him and start over.

That is why people think its stupid. The fact that you can come out of that series and somehow come to the conclusion that it all falls on Embiid (note he has a role in it too; he started to try to get bailed out too much and settling) is nuts to me when Tobias was missing point blank layups and Ben was running away from the ball and Doc was still running all bench lineups.

But the fact that you have come to the "everyone who doesn't agree with me is a stan" point of the argument shows it is a waste of time and you have ulterior reasons.

I'm done.