Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[Kobblehead]

Being great at something and bad at others is still more valuable than being great at nothing and subpar at several things.

Niang > Crowder

Crowder only provides tangible value when he's shooting well. And he's far too streaky to gamble on. He shot 32% for the Cavs, 32% for the Jazz, 29% for the Grizzlies.

He's only shot well in the bubble for Miami and in one of his two seasons in Phoenix.

You end up with egg on your face if you trade for him and he's in one of his low 30s shooting seasons.

Marcus Morris has a much more established track record of consistent shooting. If you're going to burn assets on a vet tough guy, he'd be the one. Crowder is more like a buyout market addition that you don't even guarantee a rotation spot to.

[mjkvol]

Very surprised that Glenn didn't think of this, innovator that he is.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-the-boston-celtics-new-game-clock-trick-is-confusing-referees-and-frustrating-opponents/

[Kobblehead]

You wanted this guy over Tobi

D'Angelo Russell has talked about being in a shooting slump. He's now shooting 30.7% (23/75) this season through 12.5 games

But it's also a slump that goes back to last season, where Russell shot 29.1% (32/110) the final 20 games of last season

So 29.7% over the last 32.5 games

Think about where Russell was in 2019, though.

22 year old allstar.
41.3% assist
21.1 ppg
36.9% from three on 2.9 makes per game

That's some ELITE playmaking and solid shooting.

[mjkvol]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269342/Bucks-Exploring-Trade-Market-Of-Grayson-Allen

Successful, well run teams cut bait on players that don't fit their plans (in this case, no defense) before they become worthless to the league. Less successful ones hold on to them and continue to climb the steeper and steeper 'slope of hope', to coin a stock trading term.

Sound familiar?

[spikeslovechild]

Being great at something and bad at others is still more valuable than being great at nothing and subpar at several things.

Niang > Crowder

Crowder only provides tangible value when he's shooting well. And he's far too streaky to gamble on. He shot 32% for the Cavs, 32% for the Jazz, 29% for the Grizzlies.

He's only shot well in the bubble for Miami and in one of his two seasons in Phoenix.

You end up with egg on your face if you trade for him and he's in one of his low 30s shooting seasons.

Marcus Morris has a much more established track record of consistent shooting. If you're going to burn assets on a vet tough guy, he'd be the one. Crowder is more like a buyout market addition that you don't even guarantee a rotation spot to.

That simply is false and it's one of the reasons why I would prefer to move Niang for him.

Crowder plays good defense, and is a good rebounder, and he won't take bad shots. Niang when his shot isn't falling is totally unplayable he kills you on both ends of the floor. If Doc learned to use Niang more in moderation I wouldn't be so down on him but I don't want games in the playoffs decided by Niang like they were last year and looking at Doc rotation where we have him playing the most bench minutes most nights that is exactly where we currently are.

There are also other issues that aren't really getting discussed here that he kills us too. He kills us on the boards he is an atrocious rebounder he also kills us with fouls because he can't guard anyone which leads to being in the penalty which leads to even more points and Marcus Morris plays for the Clippers they aren't moving him for what essentially amounts to spare parts in Korkmaz and Niang if at all.

So why bring him up? The reason to trade for Crowder is he is available and he'd help us. Too often I see GM's and fans worry about perfection and it being the enemy of the good. I too would love for the perfect player to come available that would check all the boxes and I'd love to be able to trade for him with our poo platter of assets but lets just be real here that isn't happening. So why not just take any opportunities that come available? Who knows if the Suns are even interested in Niang or what other offers they are receiving but I'd make the move and not think twice about it.

[Bum Adebayo]

Defense doesn't matter in the modern NBA, or at least the value of defense is minimal, what matters is outscoring the opponent. That's why guys like Embiid are so valuable and guys like Simmons, Thybulle will be headed to China very soon.

[Kobblehead]

Nah, it's true. Look at his rebounding and block numbers. They're bad for the PF position. So going from garbage to bad is not upgrading the team. Especially when you'd be going from great to subpar in terms of shooting.

Trying to figure out when Niang's shot isn't falling. He's a career 40% shooter.

The only way to upgrade Niang is to find a good shooter who is superior at rebounding and contesting shots. Crowder DEFINITELY is not it.

[76ciology]

Defense doesn't matter in the modern NBA, or at least the value of defense is minimal, what matters is outscoring the opponent. That's why guys like Embiid are so valuable and guys like Simmons, Thybulle will be headed to China very soon.

Another problem with context.

Yes, offense is way more valuable in general.

But context has to be considered for instance, how is the offense is scored? How much are you sacrificing or gaining for that offense?

At the C position, do you need scoring that sacrifices your defense and rebounding?

I’d rather have an elite defensive and rebounding C with average scoring than an average defensive and rebounding C with elite scoring. The later is very hard to build around.

Look at PEAK demarcus cousins.

Watch on YouTube

Who cares if he’s scoring that much? I’d rather have my guards doing the scoring then have my bigs handle the defense.

If my C is scoring to death, then that is very likely means he is relaxing on the other end.

[76ciology]

Crowder is OK if you have someone like Paul George or Kawhi or Scottie Barnes at the 3 or you have Myles Turner, Gobert or Robert Williams at the 5. Where those guys elite deflections.

But if you are just going to surround the team with PJ, Harden, Maxey and Embiid, you’re just going nowhere.

[Jailblazers7]

Very surprised that Glenn didn't think of this, innovator that he is.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-the-boston-celtics-new-game-clock-trick-is-confusing-referees-and-frustrating-opponents/

This strikes me as a rule that will definitely get changed once it’s abused enough.

[mjkvol]

Being great at something and bad at others is still more valuable than being great at nothing and subpar at several things.

Niang > Crowder

Crowder only provides tangible value when he's shooting well. And he's far too streaky to gamble on. He shot 32% for the Cavs, 32% for the Jazz, 29% for the Grizzlies.

He's only shot well in the bubble for Miami and in one of his two seasons in Phoenix.

You end up with egg on your face if you trade for him and he's in one of his low 30s shooting seasons.

Marcus Morris has a much more established track record of consistent shooting. If you're going to burn assets on a vet tough guy, he'd be the one. Crowder is more like a buyout market addition that you don't even guarantee a rotation spot to.

That simply is false and it's one of the reasons why I would prefer to move Niang for him.

Crowder plays good defense, and is a good rebounder, and he won't take bad shots. Niang when his shot isn't falling is totally unplayable he kills you on both ends of the floor. If Doc learned to use Niang more in moderation I wouldn't be so down on him but I don't want games in the playoffs decided by Niang like they were last year and looking at Doc rotation where we have him playing the most bench minutes most nights that is exactly where we currently are.

There are also other issues that aren't really getting discussed here that he kills us too. He kills us on the boards he is an atrocious rebounder he also kills us with fouls because he can't guard anyone which leads to being in the penalty which leads to even more points and Marcus Morris plays for the Clippers they aren't moving him for what essentially amounts to spare parts in Korkmaz and Niang if at all.

So why bring him up? The reason to trade for Crowder is he is available and he'd help us. Too often I see GM's and fans worry about perfection and it being the enemy of the good. I too would love for the perfect player to come available that would check all the boxes and I'd love to be able to trade for him with our poo platter of assets but lets just be real here that isn't happening. So why not just take any opportunities that come available? Who knows if the Suns are even interested in Niang or what other offers they are receiving but I'd make the move and not think twice about it.

You make a solid argument except that unless I could get Crowder for Shake and/or Korkmaz, I have no interest. Niang will be a valuable piece in certain spots when (if) we get a coach in here that understands how and when to use specialty pieces like Niang.

Maybe it's irrational, but I'm sick of making moves based on what this coach wants, because you're discarding potentially valuable situational players that the next coach will understand how to utilize. If Glenn remains, we know how the story will turn out anyway, so what's the point?

[Kobblehead]

There's also no reason to be interested in a guy just because he's available.

Interest in a player should arise from whether or not he can help sure up a weakness.

The Sixers are 29th in rebounding, 24th in assists, and 20th in blocks. Does Jae Crowder help in any of those areas? I'd say a resounding no.

Jae Crowder for his career: 9.3% rebounder, 9% assist, 1.1% block
P.J. Tucker for his career: 10.7% rebounder, 7.1% assist, 0.9% block
Georges Niang for his career: 7.5% rebounder, 9% assist, 0.6% block

So a worse rebounder than Tucker, an equal passer to Niang. So the only clear upgrade is his shot contesting ability? But he's a clear downground in shooting. Just not worth it.

[Kobblehead]

Read on Twitter

Wow, how did I miss this from earlier in the week. Ant Man ain't it.

[Mik317]

Crowder would help in that he isn't washed but his skillset is a better version of like half the wings we already have lol.

we need athletes, size, and movement IMO. And still some shot creation...at the very least someone who can get into the paint off the bounce. Like Niang somehow has done it over the last few games and it opened up so much ha...but thats not his game.

Crowder is best on teams who already have that...

of course not sure if the above is on the market right now lol.

[Bum Adebayo]

Defense doesn't matter in the modern NBA, or at least the value of defense is minimal, what matters is outscoring the opponent. That's why guys like Embiid are so valuable and guys like Simmons, Thybulle will be headed to China very soon.

Another problem with context.

Yes, offense is way more valuable in general.

But context has to be considered for instance, how is the offense is scored? How much are you sacrificing or gaining for that offense?

At the C position, do you need scoring that sacrifices your defense and rebounding?

I’d rather have an elite defensive and rebounding C with average scoring than an average defensive and rebounding C with elite scoring. The later is very hard to build around.

Look at PEAK demarcus cousins.

Watch on YouTube

Who cares if he’s scoring that much? I’d rather have my guards doing the scoring then have my bigs handle the defense.

If my C is scoring to death, then that is very likely means he is relaxing on the other end.

It doesn't matter Embiid scores a lot he is very valuable

[DCasey91]

It’s pretty easy you just go for Josh Hart . Look I love him and would solve a whole bunch of problems and to be honest he could be available due to Blazers cap. I wanted Simons please just get Hart or at least try to lol

[Jailblazers7]

Read on Twitter

Wow, how did I miss this from earlier in the week. Ant Man ain't it.

The vibes are terrible in Minnesota. Seems like everybody is unhappy and disengaged with the current team. Something has to change imo.

If I’m Toronto, I’m putting out a line to see if the Wolves are interested in a KAT for FVV/OG/picks trade. I kinda like it for both teams.

Minny:
FVV
Edwards
Jaden McDaniels
OG
Gobert

Toronto:
?
Gary Trent
Barnes
Siakim
Towns

[spikeslovechild]

Being great at something and bad at others is still more valuable than being great at nothing and subpar at several things.

Niang > Crowder

Crowder only provides tangible value when he's shooting well. And he's far too streaky to gamble on. He shot 32% for the Cavs, 32% for the Jazz, 29% for the Grizzlies.

He's only shot well in the bubble for Miami and in one of his two seasons in Phoenix.

You end up with egg on your face if you trade for him and he's in one of his low 30s shooting seasons.

Marcus Morris has a much more established track record of consistent shooting. If you're going to burn assets on a vet tough guy, he'd be the one. Crowder is more like a buyout market addition that you don't even guarantee a rotation spot to.

That simply is false and it's one of the reasons why I would prefer to move Niang for him.

Crowder plays good defense, and is a good rebounder, and he won't take bad shots. Niang when his shot isn't falling is totally unplayable he kills you on both ends of the floor. If Doc learned to use Niang more in moderation I wouldn't be so down on him but I don't want games in the playoffs decided by Niang like they were last year and looking at Doc rotation where we have him playing the most bench minutes most nights that is exactly where we currently are.

There are also other issues that aren't really getting discussed here that he kills us too. He kills us on the boards he is an atrocious rebounder he also kills us with fouls because he can't guard anyone which leads to being in the penalty which leads to even more points and Marcus Morris plays for the Clippers they aren't moving him for what essentially amounts to spare parts in Korkmaz and Niang if at all.

So why bring him up? The reason to trade for Crowder is he is available and he'd help us. Too often I see GM's and fans worry about perfection and it being the enemy of the good. I too would love for the perfect player to come available that would check all the boxes and I'd love to be able to trade for him with our poo platter of assets but lets just be real here that isn't happening. So why not just take any opportunities that come available? Who knows if the Suns are even interested in Niang or what other offers they are receiving but I'd make the move and not think twice about it.

You make a solid argument except that unless I could get Crowder for Shake and/or Korkmaz, I have no interest. Niang will be a valuable piece in certain spots when (if) we get a coach in here that understands how and when to use specialty pieces like Niang.

Maybe it's irrational, but I'm sick of making moves based on what this coach wants, because you're discarding potentially valuable situational players that the next coach will understand how to utilize. If Glenn remains, we know how the story will turn out anyway, so what's the point?

That is also a good argument can't really argue against it.

Niang could be lethal if used properly but I just know doc is going to overuse him in key situations like last year.

[MoeGreene]

Hart + get Bridges back from the Suns.

Then we get Tim Thomas and maybe Paul Arizin...

[MoeGreene]

Sixers actually winning against the Hawks tonight. Crazy.