Joel Embiid

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The fact is this team has had adequate coaching and staff for one season. The talent is there. Winning in the playoffs ain't easy.

[76thBearCub]

We've had some pretty good trolls over the years. I'm not impressed.

[76ciology]

I dont think we should necessarily trade Embiid.
I dont think exploring to trade embiid is necessarily stupid.
I dont think trading an asset when its value is high is stupid.
I think we should explore all options.

[yuuby]

I dont think we should necessarily trade Embiid.
I dont think exploring to trade embiid is necessarily stupid.
I think we should explore all options.

That's our main disagreement. I think our hands are forced into trading him since its either trade him or supermax him (4 years 200 million for his age 30-33 seasons) this offseason. There is no middle ground.

One of those options will kill the future of the franchise imo. One can re-ignite hope.

[Tomjas]

Embiid will not be traded this off season

Simmons will be

Harris might be collateral damage

That’s our starting point

Who can we get for Simmons and Harris that can improve the roster?

[yuuby]

Embiid will not be traded this off season

Simmons will be

Harris might be collateral damage

That’s our starting point

Who can we get for Simmons and Harris that can improve the roster?

I don't think Morey is a dumb GM and only a dumb GM would supermax a heavy post up center who has bad knees, bad feet and a bad back through his age 30-33 seasons.

[Tomjas]

Once more for the dummies down the back

There’s ZERO chance of Embiid being traded

Klutch has already been in the building so Simmons is gone

There’s no “Play it back” or “Pump Ben’s value before the trade deadline”

He’s gone

Hell, Morey wanted to trade him earlier this season and that was before the playoffs meltdown

[Tomjas]

Embiid will not be traded this off season

Simmons will be

Harris might be collateral damage

That’s our starting point

Who can we get for Simmons and Harris that can improve the roster?

I don't think Morey is a dumb GM and only a dumb GM would supermax a heavy post up center who has bad knees, bad feet and a bad back through his age 30-33 seasons.

Morey will be crucified if he traded Joel and kept Ben NOW

Joel MIGHT be gone after next season at the very earliest

[yuuby]

Once more for the dummies down the back

There’s ZERO chance of Embiid being traded

Klutch has already been in the building so Simmons is gone

There’s no “Play it back” or “Pump Ben’s value before the trade deadline”

He’s gone

Hell, Morey wanted to trade him earlier this season and that was before the playoffs meltdown

There is a higher chance that Embiid is traded this offseason than Simmons is.

You have no idea that the ownership and front office (other than Morey) were unanimous that Simmons > Embiid for the future (A take I have never agreed with since Ben will never be a great player).

They even shipped the guy Embiid wanted to keep in Butler out and insulted him by not offering him a full max and brought in a center (Horford) who was perfect for inflating Simmons stats when Embiid was on the bench.

[yuuby]

Embiid will not be traded this off season

Simmons will be

Harris might be collateral damage

That’s our starting point

Who can we get for Simmons and Harris that can improve the roster?

I don't think Morey is a dumb GM and only a dumb GM would supermax a heavy post up center who has bad knees, bad feet and a bad back through his age 30-33 seasons.

Morey will be crucified if he traded Joel and kept Ben NOW

Joel MIGHT be gone after next season at the very earliest

Embiid will never be traded if he isn't traded this summer because that will mean he is on the supermax which means he can't be traded for a full season according to the CBA and his contract will be an albatross after that.

[76ciology]

I dont think we should necessarily trade Embiid.
I dont think exploring to trade embiid is necessarily stupid.
I think we should explore all options.

That's our main disagreement. I think our hands are forced into trading him since its either trade him or supermax him (4 years 200 million for his age 30-33 seasons) this offseason. There is no middle ground.

One of those options will kill the future of the franchise imo. One can re-ignite hope.

Yeah because i believe neither of us can predict the future so it’s not rational to have a close ended decision, specially at this early of the offseason.

Like I said, we can still win with Embiid. You just need to have way more talent and re-structure the team’s hierarchy from Embiid being your 1A into Embiid being a 1B.

It would be prudent to explore BOTH trading Embiid and not trading Embiid. So you’re ready to this two possibilities when the opportunity comes

[phillynative]

Embiid will not be traded this off season

Simmons will be

Harris might be collateral damage

That’s our starting point

Who can we get for Simmons and Harris that can improve the roster?

I don't think Morey is a dumb GM and only a dumb GM would supermax a heavy post up center who has bad knees, bad feet and a bad back through his age 30-33 seasons.

Lol are we talking about greg monroe here. If embiid eventually breaks down than its just an end of a era and you eventually rebuild. Its in Moreys and the team best interest to pair the most talented player we have had here since Iverson with a legit PG/Peremiter threat. Morrey shuffled the deck the whole time with Harden and the rockets and pretty much explored all avenues of pairings with Harden. I just dont see him not exploring that with Embiid atleast once.

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

0:35, he’s as stubborn as the other one. They don’t learn because look who is actual the authoritarian. No one

Dudes my favorite player (I just don’t favor Supermaxes at all. MJ got a 100mill equivalent for one year, LBJ/Curry should get those sums and no one else, market royalty).

[phillynative]

Watch on YouTube

0:35, he’s as stubborn as the other one. They don’t learn because look who is actual the authoritarian. No one

Dudes my favorite player (I just don’t favor Supermaxes at all. MJ got a 100mill equivalent for one year, LBJ/Curry should get those sums and no one else, market royalty).

What are you trying to say in the bolded???

[76ciology]

Watch on YouTube

0:35, he’s as stubborn as the other one. They don’t learn because look who is actual the authoritarian. No one

Dudes my favorite player (I just don’t favor Supermaxes at all. MJ got a 100mill equivalent for one year, LBJ/Curry should get those sums and no one else, market royalty).

What are you trying to say in the bolded???

Exactly hahaha

[Black Mage]

If you look at the Cavs and the Suns, they did it the right way. Establish the guard position first. Then value hunt for bigs in Jarett Allen and Capela. Mavs is also the same thing. They get Doncic first at 2018, then traded for KP in 2019.

While Jazz and Nuggets lucked into it that they were able to get Murray, MPJ and Mitchell without a high draft pick. BUT it wont be possible if you’re mindset dont shift from just blindly getting a BPA to acknowledging how powerful perimeter players are compared to bigs.

You dont need to tank 5 years to make that happen. And 8 years just to go from rebuild and to just make the second round.

And that is why the league is making guards OP. It’s for parity reason and for teams to have a faster turn around time from rebuild to contend.

In the future, you’ll see teams rebuild and contend for shorter time unlike before because you wouldnt need that much talent to win. This is also what’s Presti is doing.

Value hunt for bigs??? WTH you talking about, Ayton was the first ******* overall pick! That's not value hunting. Not only that, but the KEY piece that made the team non-lottery bound was finding a legitimate HOF PG to run the entire team. That happened LAST. (FYI, I lobbied and begged Sixers to move Horford for PointGod, if we had done that and told Ben to suck it about being a PG we'd be in the finals and 2 wins away).

The Cavs have WON NOTHING without Lebron on the freaking team and had Kyrie for years and were stuck in the early lottery.

The Hawks get a gentlemen's sweep at worst if Embiid is healthy or Ben decides to you know play basketball. We lost sever games by less than 10 points, if our freaking PG scores better than the 9th guy off the bench we win the series easily.

I'm gonna also address the peeps from the trade thread that said maybe move the MVP runner-up for a trade package that they'd take for freaking Ben Simmons except we get some picks back. Here's a news flash, whatever team gets Embiid is playoff bound and with him and Zion they go deep, so those precious picks you think make this a good trade would be late 1st rounders.

As for the peep who said trade Joel now so we can run fast and inflate Ben's value. Total rubbish. Here's a heavy dose of reality for your Ben stooges. If Ben still can't/won't shoot come the start of next season his value is ZERO and there won't be anything that will increase it. Ben has to be traded in the off-season b/c there are still owners foolish enough to believe they can unlock him and teams have time to get them into their "coaching system."

Dude, these peeps turning on Embiid have lost touch with logic and reality. I'm embarrassed that there's fans on here who are so stuck on Ben Simmons that they have decided to turn on the only legitimate best player in the league candidate we've had in 3-4 decades. Is giving Joel the supermax with risk? Absolutely, but this idea that we can just create a brand new competitive team without holding onto him or getting a #1 overall pick is absurd.

[Black Mage]

Once more for the dummies down the back

There’s ZERO chance of Embiid being traded

Klutch has already been in the building so Simmons is gone

There’s no “Play it back” or “Pump Ben’s value before the trade deadline”

He’s gone

Hell, Morey wanted to trade him earlier this season and that was before the playoffs meltdown

There is a higher chance that Embiid is traded this offseason than Simmons is.

You have no idea that the ownership and front office (other than Morey) were unanimous that Simmons > Embiid for the future (A take I have never agreed with since Ben will never be a great player).

They even shipped the guy Embiid wanted to keep in Butler out and insulted him by not offering him a full max and brought in a center (Horford) who was perfect for inflating Simmons stats when Embiid was on the bench.

The bolded makes absolutely no sense. If you meant that Ownership and FO wanted Ben over Embiid then you also aren't living in the reality the rest of us have lived in. Ownership already okay'd a trade shipping Ben Simmons out and keeping Embiid. The trade fell through, but that does not change reality that Ben and Matisse's agents were both put on notice they were about to be traded.

Yes, the team moved on from JJ and Butler, those were decisions by Brett, Elton and a few others. Since those decisions, Brett is gone, Elton demoted, Scott O'Neill resigned and Andrews shipped off to Chicago. Literally EVERY idiot involved in moving Embiid's favorite teammates are GONE. Every move Morey, FO and Ownership have tried last season was to find a PG...which is what Ben's role is supposed to be. Read those tea leaves.

Good god, the revisionist histories people are creating to justify moving Embiid. This is nuts.

[kuclas]

If embijd is smart. He will agree to the 4 year super max extension. With his injury history. It would be idiotic to turn down 200 million guarantee to age 33. He will do something similar to Bradley Beal with opt out after year 3 of the super max.

If Sixers put injury clause in the contract. Embiid won’t agree on it. Than things will get interesting this off season. I do think Embiid best fit is with golden state. Even with Klay not returning to his normal self. He just needs to camp out 25 feet to shoot. And he’s gonna to be open all day. Someone is gonna to be open all day with Embiid in the paint and curry (steph) with the ball.

We have reach the end of Embiid and Simmons. I love Embiid. He’s my favorite player. But I love the Sixers. We got to do what’s best for the team. 4 years of playoff failures. Yes they are still relatively young. 25/27. We can run it back one more year. While the defensive fit is amazing. The offensive fit in the playoffs is horrible.

[Black Mage]

If embijd is smart. He will agree to the 4 year super max extension. With his injury history. It would be idiotic to turn down 200 million guarantee to age 33. He will do something similar to Bradley Beal with opt out after year 3 of the super max.

If Sixers put injury clause in the contract. Embiid won’t agree on it. Than things will get interesting this off season. I do think Embiid best fit is with golden state. Even with Klay not returning to his normal self. He just needs to camp out 25 feet to shoot. And he’s gonna to be open all day. Someone is gonna to be open all day with Embiid in the paint and curry (steph) with the ball.

We have reach the end of Embiid and Simmons. I love Embiid. He’s my favorite player. But I love the Sixers. We got to do what’s best for the team. 4 years of playoff failures. Yes they are still relatively young. 25/27. We can run it back one more year. While the defensive fit is amazing. The offensive fit in the playoffs is horrible.

Compromise, injury clause with partial guarantee for salary cap relief.

[kuclas]

If embijd is smart. He will agree to the 4 year super max extension. With his injury history. It would be idiotic to turn down 200 million guarantee to age 33. He will do something similar to Bradley Beal with opt out after year 3 of the super max.

If Sixers put injury clause in the contract. Embiid won’t agree on it. Than things will get interesting this off season. I do think Embiid best fit is with golden state. Even with Klay not returning to his normal self. He just needs to camp out 25 feet to shoot. And he’s gonna to be open all day. Someone is gonna to be open all day with Embiid in the paint and curry (steph) with the ball.

We have reach the end of Embiid and Simmons. I love Embiid. He’s my favorite player. But I love the Sixers. We got to do what’s best for the team. 4 years of playoff failures. Yes they are still relatively young. 25/27. We can run it back one more year. While the defensive fit is amazing. The offensive fit in the playoffs is horrible.

Compromise, injury clause with partial guarantee for salary cap relief.

Embiid holds all the power.

What 4 time all star. 3x all nba. Player age 27 has agreed to injury clause in their contract. There will be no injury clause.

He only agreed to injury clause with his rookie extension cause he had played 31 games in 3 years.