NBA General Discussion: 24-25

[Murray_17]

This Indiana team might be the most fun team i have watched in years, dude.

[Mik317]

pacers have a bunch of legit dudes that play the majority of their minutes. TJ also allows Hali to have poop quarters by virtue of just being a solid backup PG who he can also play next to. But like Thomas Byrant and maybe Ben Sheppard are the only players I wouldn't consider good that play for them...thats important.

the days of top heavy rosters is dead

[76ciology]

Big difference between SGA and Haliburton when it comes to being a go-to guy in crunch time.

[Murray_17]

Big difference between SGA and Haliburton when it comes to being a go-to guy in crunch time.

lol, you had this one saved for like 3 weeks

[76ciology]

Big difference between SGA and Haliburton when it comes to being a go-to guy in crunch time.

lol, you had this one saved for like 3 weeks

I didn’t realize I had to spell it out, I thought it was common knowledge. You’re only learning this now?

SGA’s averaging almost double the points per game of Hali.

[Murray_17]

I didn’t realize I had to spell it out, I thought it was common knowledge. You’re only learning this now?

No, it's common knowledge but it's kind of funny to say this while Hali has took 5 go home shots this run.

You have tried this in all of the other series Haliburton has played and have said that he's been carried by Siakam and co.

So, yes, it's also obvious you have some hate bone for the guy. Why don't you just admit it, who knows.

[76ciology]

I didn’t realize I had to spell it out, I thought it was common knowledge. You’re only learning this now?

No, it's common knowledge but it's kind of funny to say this while Hali has took 5 go home shots this run.

You have tried this in all of the other series Haliburton has played and have said that he's been carried by Siakam and co.

So, yes, it's also obvious you have some hate bone for the guy. Why don't you just admit it, who knows.

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[Murray_17]

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Personally, I don’t think it’s about market size, it’s more about the talent level. I actually enjoyed the Nuggets-Thunder series. But with Indy, let’s be honest.. there isn’t a ton of excitement around watching Haliburton play and being carried by Nesmith, Siakam, and Nembhard. Maybe it’s just not my cup of tea, but I don’t think I’m alone in that.

[76ciology]

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Personally, I don’t think it’s about market size, it’s more about the talent level. I actually enjoyed the Nuggets-Thunder series. But with Indy, let’s be honest.. there isn’t a ton of excitement around watching Haliburton play and being carried by Nesmith, Siakam, and Nembhard. Maybe it’s just not my cup of tea, but I don’t think I’m alone in that.

Yup, I’m not denying that. But I’ve been a long-time fan of Carlisle, and I’ve been pretty vocal here about wanting to add Siakam to this team and playing double big for the past two seasons.

We’re all entitled to our own preferences. I’m not asking you to share mine, and I’m not claiming my view is the absolute right one. You might be right, I might be wrong.

At the end of the day, it’s all pretty subjective.

[Murray_17]

We’re all entitled to our own preferences. I’m not asking you to share mine, and I’m not claiming my view is the absolute right one. You might be right, I might be wrong.

At the end of the day, it’s all pretty subjective.

You're on your right but there is a difference between that and just doing this for the hate game, you have compared Haliburton with Dejounte Murray.


Look, again, you're right, subjective views and whatever. But by the same token, you can admit you're on a hate watch, it's not gonna hurt you or your opinions.

Acting like this is just a preference at this point it's kind of baffling but whatever makes you feel better i guess.

[okboomer]

That loss by the Pacers is probably going to be felt by their fanbase for a very long time.

[mjkvol]

Haliburton is one of the weakest best player and I would say the supporting cast seems average at best when compared to other Finals teams.

I mean, outside of playing Siakam at the nail. All of those adjustments are possible because OKC need to keep a man on Hali at all times and because he can play off ball. It's obviously not Curry's level gravity but it's the same concept.

At this point i think is easy to say Hali is, at worst, a top 12 guy in the league and he's not in his prime yet

I agree, but who are you putting current Haliburton above from these teams?

'24 Celtics (Tatum)
'23 Nuggets (Jokic)
'22 Warriors (Curry)
'21 Bucks (Giannis)
'20 Lakers (James)
'19 Raptors (Leonard)
'17-'18 Warriors (Curry)

I would say only Tatum is close, but I consider the Celtics a super team.

Who cares? Indy built the perfect group around Haliburton and Carlisle designed a scheme that fits what he does perfectly. The kid is a baller who has to be accounted for and just makes plays when it matters.

This series is a referendum on the importance of scheme, quality depth and team defense in building a championship contender instead of top loading with "stars", a trend I would love to see continue. This is a real basketball fan's series, the most enjoyable one to watch since at least the first Warriors chip. Probably why the ratings will be in the tank.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah this is by far the best series since 2016 imo. The reason ratings are low is because the NBA has done a bad job of succession planning & promotion of the younger generation. The on court product this year in the playoffs has been excellent.

[mjkvol]

Big difference between SGA and Haliburton when it comes to being a go-to guy in crunch time.

Big difference between SGA and most 'stars', not just Haliburton. That fourth quarter by OKC was incredibly impressive, but even more so when you consider how young they still are, so much so that people were still questioning if they were "ready" to win after 68 regular season wins. I think they're ready.

[zaz102]

I mean, outside of playing Siakam at the nail. All of those adjustments are possible because OKC need to keep a man on Hali at all times and because he can play off ball. It's obviously not Curry's level gravity but it's the same concept.

At this point i think is easy to say Hali is, at worst, a top 12 guy in the league and he's not in his prime yet

I agree, but who are you putting current Haliburton above from these teams?

'24 Celtics (Tatum)
'23 Nuggets (Jokic)
'22 Warriors (Curry)
'21 Bucks (Giannis)
'20 Lakers (James)
'19 Raptors (Leonard)
'17-'18 Warriors (Curry)

I would say only Tatum is close, but I consider the Celtics a super team.

Who cares? Indy built the perfect group around Haliburton and Carlisle designed a scheme that fits what he does perfectly. The kid is a baller who has to be accounted for and just makes plays when it matters.

This series is a referendum on the importance of scheme, quality depth and team defense in building a championship contender instead of top loading with "stars", a trend I would love to see continue. This is a real basketball fan's series, the most enjoyable one to watch since at least the first Warriors chip. Probably why the ratings will be in the tank.

That was literally the point of my original post...

[mjkvol]

Yeah this is by far the best series since 2016 imo. The reason ratings are low is because the NBA has done a bad job of succession planning & promotion of the younger generation. The on court product this year in the playoffs has been excellent.

You might be right about the NBA, but I think it's as much to do with it being the worst possible kind of series to attract casual fans, who want to see big stars and highlight reel plays. Grinding physical defense and half court offense isn't much of a ratings magnet, and even SGA's game is predicated on mid-range magic more than 3's and dunks, which is what the casual fan wants to see.

Another problem for the league is that the biggest stars are not strident, divisive figures like James, who as many love to hate as like him, or even Curry, but guys like SGA, Luka, Brunson, and Jokic, who are pretty much invisible off the court.

[mjkvol]

Big difference between SGA and Haliburton when it comes to being a go-to guy in crunch time.

lol, you had this one saved for like 3 weeks

I didn’t realize I had to spell it out, I thought it was common knowledge. You’re only learning this now?

SGA’s averaging almost double the points per game of Hali.

And it's a 2-2 series and Haliburton has been phenomenal in the two IND wins and played great last night.

What's your point, that SGA is better as an individual player? Fine, you win.

[mjkvol]

That loss by the Pacers is probably going to be felt by their fanbase for a very long time.

Yeah, that's the one they'll look back at if they lose the series. It was theirs for the taking, but we found out that there's a lot more to this OKC team than blowout wins.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah this is by far the best series since 2016 imo. The reason ratings are low is because the NBA has done a bad job of succession planning & promotion of the younger generation. The on court product this year in the playoffs has been excellent.

You might be right about the NBA, but I think it's as much to do with it being the worst possible kind of series to attract casual fans, who want to see big stars and highlight reel plays. Grinding physical defense and half court offense isn't much of a ratings magnet, and even SGA's game is predicated on mid-range magic more than 3's and dunks, which is what the casual fan wants to see.

Another problem for the league is that the biggest stars are not strident, divisive figures like James, who as many love to hate as like him, or even Curry, but guys like SGA, Luka, Brunson, and Jokic, who are pretty much invisible off the court.

I think you’re right in some ways but I feel like real basketball fans love this series because it’s legitimately fun to watch. Indiana pushing pace, both teams guarding 94 feet with physicality, leads changing hands all game, etc. The on ball defensive pressure makes the action relentless & engaging for viewers.

I think the NBA just wanted to ride the LeBron & Steph gravy train for too long and now they’re a little lost on how to market the game. Neither of these teams played on Christmas - egregious when it comes to OKC who was a preseason WC favorite and SGA was a clear MVP contender. Halliburton is a big personality with real charm and charisma.

It shouldn’t be that hard to get fans interested in these teams and this play style. But the NBA has continued to put LeBron, Steph, KD, etc at the forefront of their marketing materials past their primes.

[Arsenal]

Yeah this is by far the best series since 2016 imo. The reason ratings are low is because the NBA has done a bad job of succession planning & promotion of the younger generation. The on court product this year in the playoffs has been excellent.

You might be right about the NBA, but I think it's as much to do with it being the worst possible kind of series to attract casual fans, who want to see big stars and highlight reel plays. Grinding physical defense and half court offense isn't much of a ratings magnet, and even SGA's game is predicated on mid-range magic more than 3's and dunks, which is what the casual fan wants to see.

Another problem for the league is that the biggest stars are not strident, divisive figures like James, who as many love to hate as like him, or even Curry, but guys like SGA, Luka, Brunson, and Jokic, who are pretty much invisible off the court.

I think you’re right in some ways but I feel like real basketball fans love this series because it’s legitimately fun to watch. Indiana pushing pace, both teams guarding 94 feet with physicality, leads changing hands all game, etc. The on ball defensive pressure makes the action relentless & engaging for viewers.

I think the NBA just wanted to ride the LeBron & Steph gravy train for too long and now they’re a little lost on how to market the game. Neither of these teams played on Christmas - egregious when it comes to OKC who was a preseason WC favorite and SGA was a clear MVP contender. Halliburton is a big personality with real charm and charisma.

It shouldn’t be that hard to get fans interested in these teams and this play style. But the NBA has continued to put LeBron, Steph, KD, etc at the forefront of their marketing materials past their primes.

Let's face it, Adam Slither has done a terrible job marketing the new generation of stars. You're right they continue to cling to the LeBron/Steph/KD era of dinosaurs.