Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Arsenal]

we talking about Vince Carter and Joakim Noah in 2019 as important bench pieces.

That's because we're about to overpay Tobias Harris by $10M/yr so our finances are strained.

[Gulfwang]

I cant get a read on what they are going to offer, but it will probably take the full max to retain him.

Lots of talk about him taking a 4 year deal so he can then sign another big deal when he's 30.

The 5th year at max value could be what is needed to keep him.

I've heard a lot of different rumors over the past few weeks and i honestly cant say what will happen.

I am very nervous that their plans will not work out and could be left scrambling. I sure hope to be wrong

Do you have any idea why is Houston so confident in chasing Butler when they need to clear about $45 million to sign JImmy? Sign and trade could work for the SIxers, either that or they bring Horford in in case JImmy leaves.

Who said they were confident?

On Clutchfans forum, there is a proven insider who said few times that Rockets feel confident about getting Jimmy, and IIRC it's a 8-years-old account and everbody trusts him.

All of the Rockets media (Chronicle, The Athletic Hou) are talking about chasing Jimmy which seems absurd given their cap situation.

Also, one of the Lakers insiders, who has Horford opting out news hours before Woj, said Horford is most likely signing with us so I'msuper confused right now. Rooting for Horford + Harris at this point.

[nycphils]

In what world is a good but not elite, never been an all-star Tobias Harris worth anywhere near a MAX of 5 yrs / $190M?

Somehow this dude has magically morphed into a "Star" player by front office apologists.

In a world where we are unlikely to get anyone better and it isn’t my money.

[mhunt]

friday afternoon silliness...would you like to see them sign kawhi if it meant losing both butler & harris?

i'm probably off...but i came up with them having around $30 mill in cap room if they signed kawhi & renounced everyone else. are you in?

[fl311]

Do you have any idea why is Houston so confident in chasing Butler when they need to clear about $45 million to sign JImmy? Sign and trade could work for the SIxers, either that or they bring Horford in in case JImmy leaves.

Who said they were confident?

On Clutchfans forum, there is a proven insider who said few times that Rockets feel confident about getting Jimmy, and IIRC it's a 8-years-old account and everbody trusts him.

All of the Rockets media (Chronicle, The Athletic Hou) are talking about chasing Jimmy which seems absurd given their cap situation.

Also, one of the Lakers insiders, who has Horford opting out news hours before Woj, said Horford is most likely signing with us so I'msuper confused right now. Rooting for Horford + Harris at this point.

Considering they are almost $20m over the cap and would also need to complete a sign and trade, I highly doubt it.

Nobody is taking Chris Paul and his $38m

[FlyingArrow]

we talking about Vince Carter and Joakim Noah in 2019 as important bench pieces.

That's because we're about to overpay Tobias Harris by $10M/yr so our finances are strained.

Overpay by about $5M. He's a little bit better than Bojan Bogdanvoic, who is probably going to get about $22-$25M. Tobias should get $26-$29M. Paying him $32-33 isn't the end of the world.

[sixerswillrule]

we talking about Vince Carter and Joakim Noah in 2019 as important bench pieces.

That's because we're about to overpay Tobias Harris by $10M/yr so our finances are strained.

Overpay by about $5M. He's a little bit better than Bojan Bogdanvoic, who is probably going to get about $22-$25M. Tobias should get $26-$29M. Paying him $32-33 isn't the end of the world.

If he'll take 5/160. His max is 38M.

[FireMorey]

Elton Brand better have the summer of all summers after he pissed away those picks last night. Talking adding key bench guys at good rates. If not, last night was all for nothing and would make him and the entire FO/ownership look embarrassingly bad. Just amateurish.

[Gulfwang]

Who said they were confident?

On Clutchfans forum, there is a proven insider who said few times that Rockets feel confident about getting Jimmy, and IIRC it's a 8-years-old account and everbody trusts him.

All of the Rockets media (Chronicle, The Athletic Hou) are talking about chasing Jimmy which seems absurd given their cap situation.

Also, one of the Lakers insiders, who has Horford opting out news hours before Woj, said Horford is most likely signing with us so I'msuper confused right now. Rooting for Horford + Harris at this point.

Considering they are almost $20m over the cap and would also need to complete a sign and trade, I highly doubt it.

Nobody is taking Chris Paul and his $38m

I would think so too, just weird how they keep getting mentioned.

I'm just confused with all the rumors Sixers are mentioned in- Woj about meeting Kawhi, Shams mentioning us as a Horford destination, signing Terry Harris to lure Tobias, then there is TJ McConnell still working out at Sixers facility

[SixthStreet]

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[FlyingArrow]

That's because we're about to overpay Tobias Harris by $10M/yr so our finances are strained.

Overpay by about $5M. He's a little bit better than Bojan Bogdanvoic, who is probably going to get about $22-$25M. Tobias should get $26-$29M. Paying him $32-33 isn't the end of the world.

If he'll take 5/160. His max is 38M.

Is that a 35% max? Why is he eligible for 35% instead of 30%?

[Sixerscan]

Overpay by about $5M. He's a little bit better than Bojan Bogdanvoic, who is probably going to get about $22-$25M. Tobias should get $26-$29M. Paying him $32-33 isn't the end of the world.

If he'll take 5/160. His max is 38M.

Is that a 35% max? Why is he eligible for 35% instead of 30%?

He means AAV

Thing is the cap will go up with the contract. 40 in 5 years will be like 32 now.

[kingofthecourt67]

Completely short sighted. 2-3 stars get traded EVERY YEAR. We could be in position to trade for any of them if we hadn't blown our wad on a soon to be overpaid Tobias Harris.

Oh so now you wouldn't even want to use that cap space? You'd want to hold onto it in case some other star is available? Hate to say it but this is kind of what Danny Ainge has been doing. Second, again as I've stated in another post, last year was absolutely worth a shot to go for it. Second of all, you're missing the part where we literally just did what you're asking for--trading for high level talent. He's a borderline all-star which is fine given we have Embiid, Simmons, and hopefully Butler.

Genuinely asking, what are some names of players you anticipate becoming available?

Who knows who comes available? 2-3 stars come available every year that no one expects. If you have assets then you can go after them.

If you've blown most/all your assets for the privilege of handing out a bad contract, then you're stuck.

We should have waited to trade for a star who at least would not be grossly overpaid on his next contract as Tobias will be.

Again, you refuse to address parts of my argument. What about making a run for it last year? Does that not have play into the value proposition? Also are you trying to punt on free agency so you can wait? And we discussed opportunity cost the other day--what is the opportunity cost of his somewhat bloated contract if we are over the cap anyway and our owner has indicated he is fine paying the luxury tax?

And "Who knows who comes available" is proving my point. You can keep waiting for this magical perfect contract or you can pounce on a high-end talent when he becomes available.

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It's because we didn't ask him for a meeting.

[Kobblehead]

Chris Carter was also told Kawhi wasn't going to report to Toronto. He's repped by the same agency, but he's had no inside info on any of this Kawhi stuff from day 1.

[Kobblehead]

Nah, I ain't handing out bad contracts with the hope of being able to move them down the line. Especially not to a combustible personality with wear and tear on his body like Jimmy. Renounce.

You need an actual plan before you do that. Otherwise, you end up passing up what you think is a bad contract for Butler to end up giving up bad contracts to worse players.

I think we're in a unique situation where getting a chef out of the kitchen can be beneficial.

[Bum Adebayo]

Jimmy contract would not be worse than Harris, as he is a better player. Yes he is older, but it is offset by being a better player. His fault is apparently being a "relic of the past" type of player, being a better player doesn't matter it seems.

[FireMorey]

They aren't renouncing Butler, dude. You can want that all you want and I'll disagree strongly on it, I think that take is absurd, but regardless of what you want, I think we all know they will offer the max, the only question is does it take it. And I think we all expect he takes it too. So just be prepared for it.

[Kobblehead]

And be prepared for him to be an immovable albatross like Chris Paul and John Wall in less than 3 years. I don't get why you're all okay with retaining Jimmy on the max. He doesn't fit and can't impact the game off the ball. Not to mention he's old, worn down and tough to deal with.

[FireMorey]

Cap space is going to be out the window for us after this season anyway. Signing bench players, re-signing Simmons, re-signing Harris, this team is going to be over the cap within a year. So Butler's contract is not really going to affect us all that much, he will just affect luxury tax stuff mainly. It's not like it was a few years ago where if we sign Butler we will destroy our cap. This is it for our cap dreams, after this summer it's pretty much done anyway. And it's not like any stars want to come here, so Butler is the best you're gonna get.

Butler fits just fine, we wouldn't have gotten to a game 7 without him, I don't think he's worn down at all, he showed that vs Toronto and has not been a locker room issue here. He's our best chance to win a title over the next 3 seasons, and if we're being perfectly honest with ourselves, that may be our window period. I don't wanna get morbid, but I've long thought Embiid isn't gonna even make it to 30 with his conditioning and injuries and already having several surgeries. The window to win is now before he breaks down. Telling you that knee is arthritic, wearing an unloader brace on that knee, you only do that for arthtiris typically.

I don't think we really have some long-term window where we can play it cool. Embiid could break down at any moment. Run it back, try and get our parade the next 3 seasons and whatever happens after that happens.