The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

Bum Adebayo · Post #1321 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 5:44 pm

Fultz has shown he is not afraid to take 3pt shots, and he has made some of them.

76ciology · Post #1322 » by **76ciology** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 5:45 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Stanford wrote:
What does it mean to be mentally weak?

Like if they play chess, who do you think will win?

Ben has been known to use the Ponziani Opening but can never seal the deal.

I heard when he uses the queen he never let that piece move long distance, he uses it like a pawn.

76ciology · Post #1323 » by **76ciology** » Wed Nov 6, 2019 5:47 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Fultz has shown he is not afraid to take 3pt shots, and he has made some of them.

Yeah because he has a scorer’s mentality.

ConstableChaos · Post #1324 » by **ConstableChaos** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 7:12 am

Simmons playing the ultimate long con on the league - Don't shoot at all then when 6ers hit the ECF launch a barrage of jumpers on an unsuspecting Bucks team #fofofo

Tomjas · Post #1325 » by **Tomjas** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 10:48 am

lol
Losing to the Jazz is somehow the fault of Ben?
GTFOH

Simmons25 · Post #1326 » by **Simmons25** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 11:52 am

Tomjas wrote:lol
Losing to the Jazz is somehow the fault of Ben?
GTFOH

Quite honestly the way Ben was playing in that first half... that shoulder injury was the only thing stopping him having the worst nights of his professional life.

I really don't know where to go to from here with Ben.

kio80 · Post #1327 » by **kio80** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 11:57 am

Let’s give him a break here, most other fans from other teams will be worried if a player from their team is hurt and wish him the best... let’s be normal.

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51X3RF4N · Post #1328 » by **51X3RF4N** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 12:37 pm

I'm starting to think the bigger problem is not that he is unwilling to shoot an open 3, but rather 2 fold:

1. He cannot actually recognize when he is open because his focus out there is to initiate the offensive play being called and find his teammates open then get them the ball in a position to score. Therefore, his eyes are not looking at his own defender and he has trouble realizing that he is actually wide open himself and should just step into a 3 in rhythm. Miss or make, I'll take that possession 2 or 3 times per game to keep the defense honest, and chances are he is talented enough for it to go in a few times.

2. He is too cocky with thinking he can get to the rim or into the paint any time he wants, which generates open looks for his teammates or easier buckets for himself by throwing up a layup.

So in my opinion this is partially on Ben for not being the alpha scorer mentality, rather he has the opposite wanting to get his teammates into the flow and hitting shots. He's not wrong in this regard. The rest of the game will be much easier if all his teammates have gotten hot and taken a number of open shots. You saw that last night when he wasn't playing. Sixers didn't get a lot of open looks, and they struggled because of it.

But also, this is partially on the coaching staff for not properly simulating these situations in practice, and then pointing it out real time to Ben, and teaching him that he cannot simply drive and kick or drive and layup every time out there. It's on the coaches for not CALLING A PLAY WHERE BEN WALKS UP AND SHOOTS A 3. I mean, if Ben truly is just trying to "run the offense", then I'm putting in a play where everyone else spreads the floor, 4 corners style. And Ben brings up the ball. 1 of 2 things can happen. Either the defender is sagging off and the play calls for Ben to shoot the 3, or his man is up on him and he drives past them.

But, if he doesn't stick to the script, you bench him at that point. If he tries to drive when his defender is sitting on the foul line, it's going to go poorly for him, and then Brett can say in the film room., "hey what were you seeing on this one? Clearly he was sagging. Next time you don't follow the play call, you're going to sit."

I think a big part of this is Brett's stubbornness and wanting his idea of Ben playing PG to work out. He's unwilling to make changes when its obvious and even he has said, Ben needs to shoot 3s. But yet when it hasn't happened, you don't make adjustments?

I would tell Ben, "I'm calling your number 3 times per game going forward. You will catch and shoot a corner 3, you will step into a top of the key 3, and you will come off a pick with 1 dribble and step into a slightly off center top of the key 3. I don't care if you make or miss the shots. We won't win or lose the game because of 3 missed shots. If you refuse to take the shots when I call the plays, you will be benched."

End of rant.

DaSixers · Post #1329 » by **DaSixers** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 12:59 pm

Thats what a good coach would do. You can bet your life that will not be what Brett does

ProcessDoctor · Post #1330 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 2:55 pm

Simmons is going to be suddenly traded this summer. There aren’t going to be any rumblings or public requests. We’re going to wake up one day to a Shams/Woj tweet and that’ll be that. This happens win or lose this year IMO.

51X3RF4N · Post #1331 » by **51X3RF4N** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 4:14 pm

If this happens, I would bet money that Brett is also fired that day or soon after. He is Simmons biggest fan. No way he agrees with Elton that Simmons should be traded.

Elton would have to do it knowing Brett is out.

ProcessDoctor wrote:Simmons is going to be suddenly traded this summer. There aren’t going to be any rumblings or public requests. We’re going to wake up one day to a Shams/Woj tweet and that’ll be that. This happens win or lose this year IMO.

76ciology · Post #1332 » by **76ciology** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 4:45 pm

To be fair, i think his injury played a big part for his passiveness.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1333 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 4:58 pm

76ciology wrote:To be fair, i think his injury played a big part for his passiveness.

His passiveness is one of his weaknesses as a player. It's in his DNA, but playing for Brett makes it much worse, there is nothing worse than a yes man + passive player.

Toby_White · Post #1334 » by **Toby_White** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:52 pm

If I understand this correctly, it would be better to Trade him in the Off Season, because of the Bigger Salary. Right now it would be tough, to get the right Value for him.

Would you guys do this one:

Sixer get
Spencer Dinwiddie/ Caris Levert/ Rodions Kurucs

Nets get
Ben Simmons

We would get a good PG, that can Run the PnR and can get hot from Outside. Levert would be the badly needed Shot creator, that can also shoot the Ball. I like both Players and the Fit. They both fit perfectly into our Timeline and are on good Contracts.

What do you guys think?

ProcessDoctor · Post #1335 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 7:36 pm

Toby_White wrote:If I understand this correctly, it would be better to Trade him in the Off Season, because of the Bigger Salary. Right now it would be tough, to get the right Value for him.

Would you guys do this one:

Sixer get
Spencer Dinwiddie/ Caris Levert/ Rodions Kurucs

Nets get
Ben Simmons

We would get a good PG, that can Run the PnR and can get hot from Outside. Levert would be the badly needed Shot creator, that can also shoot the Ball. I like both Players and the Fit. They both fit perfectly into our Timeline and are on good Contracts.

What do you guys think?

I'd probably trade him out of the conference. I imagine there'd be a lot of suitors...

-Denver (Murray +)
-Phoenix (Booker, but I doubt they'd want Rubio/Ben)
-San Antonio (Murray +)
-Golden State (DLO +)
-Sacramento (Fox +)
-New Orleans (Jrue +)

If we trade him we have to remember that star power = championships. Ben is a ~top 25 player, and if we're trading him, we need someone back who can be our 2nd star.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1336 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 7:36 pm

Toby_White wrote:If I understand this correctly, it would be better to Trade him in the Off Season, because of the Bigger Salary. Right now it would be tough, to get the right Value for him.

Would you guys do this one:

Sixer get
Spencer Dinwiddie/ Caris Levert/ Rodions Kurucs

Nets get
Ben Simmons

We would get a good PG, that can Run the PnR and can get hot from Outside. Levert would be the badly needed Shot creator, that can also shoot the Ball. I like both Players and the Fit. They both fit perfectly into our Timeline and are on good Contracts.

What do you guys think?

Best return on him would be Jrue Holiday and Ingram, in hoping that the Pelicans don't want to give Ingram an extension and don't want to give Holiday one after the next season is up.

DaSixers · Post #1337 » by **DaSixers** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 8:21 pm

Toby_White wrote:If I understand this correctly, it would be better to Trade him in the Off Season, because of the Bigger Salary. Right now it would be tough, to get the right Value for him.

Would you guys do this one:

Sixer get
Spencer Dinwiddie/ Caris Levert/ Rodions Kurucs

Nets get
Ben Simmons

We would get a good PG, that can Run the PnR and can get hot from Outside. Levert would be the badly needed Shot creator, that can also shoot the Ball. I like both Players and the Fit. They both fit perfectly into our Timeline and are on good Contracts.

What do you guys think?

In a **** heartbeat

DaSixers · Post #1338 » by **DaSixers** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 8:24 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
Toby_White wrote:If I understand this correctly, it would be better to Trade him in the Off Season, because of the Bigger Salary. Right now it would be tough, to get the right Value for him.

Would you guys do this one:

Sixer get
Spencer Dinwiddie/ Caris Levert/ Rodions Kurucs

Nets get
Ben Simmons

We would get a good PG, that can Run the PnR and can get hot from Outside. Levert would be the badly needed Shot creator, that can also shoot the Ball. I like both Players and the Fit. They both fit perfectly into our Timeline and are on good Contracts.

What do you guys think?

I'd probably trade him out of the conference. I imagine there'd be a lot of suitors...

-Denver (Murray +)
-Phoenix (Booker, but I doubt they'd want Rubio/Ben)
-San Antonio (Murray +)
-Golden State (DLO +)
-Sacramento (Fox +)
-New Orleans (Jrue +)

If we trade him we have to remember that star power = championships. Ben is a ~top 25 player, and if we're trading him, we need someone back who can be our 2nd star.

I guarantee u, as in 100%, phx would not trade booker for him a nor shoukd they. I also 100% guarantee that denver would not trade murray for him

Jrue and ingram would be a blessing fornus but if ingram keeps playing well they will never do that even. Jrue for simmons we can probably get as he fits their age better than jrue. Jrue in place of simmons makes this team EASILY better. Way better offensively and probably roughly the same on defense since simmons rarely guards the best player anyways.. cuz u know, hes to valuable offensively to use his energy doing things like that

Get rid of him and brown at the same time and cleanse this team

Mik317 · Post #1339 » by **Mik317** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 8:46 pm

Booker is off the table; if anything they'd rather pair the two. So not likely. DLo sucks and people would quickly turn on him. Jrue is neat but Ben and Zion is a terrible fit lol. Both Murrays are imnteresting. The Spurs have asked for Ben before for Kawhii...but you just know he'd start shooting once he got there lol. D.Murray seems more like JRich replacement tho...and isn't exactly a killer from deep either... J. Murray is the perfect fit and Ben would fit great w/ Jokic. Probably the best target but it would have to come after both teams flame out and will probably require one team to overpay a bit.

Fox is a nice idea and Vlade is a bad enough GM to do it.

Negrodamus · Post #1340 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Nov 7, 2019 9:34 pm

Toby_White wrote:If I understand this correctly, it would be better to Trade him in the Off Season, because of the Bigger Salary. Right now it would be tough, to get the right Value for him.

Would you guys do this one:

Sixer get
Spencer Dinwiddie/ Caris Levert/ Rodions Kurucs

Nets get
Ben Simmons

We would get a good PG, that can Run the PnR and can get hot from Outside. Levert would be the badly needed Shot creator, that can also shoot the Ball. I like both Players and the Fit. They both fit perfectly into our Timeline and are on good Contracts.

What do you guys think?

Um, yea, I'd do this, but I don't think the Nets would. They have LeVert and Dinwiddie on excellent contracts for their value.