Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[PhilasFinest]

I think all the talk about Simmons's ability to shoot the ball is really over-blown. Let's hope the Sixers don't over think things.

This prospect review is REALLY ridiculous.....

"I think, he'll come in and play and help us."

"The knock on him is that he can't shoot the ball,"he just drives the ball to the basket and he doesn't need a shot. But he's so smart, he may learn from taking some mighty licks."

But when we look at him for the draft the biggest thing about him is, can he make a shot? We wonder what kind of shooter he'd be."

Read the COMPLETE prospect profile here: http://www.nbadraft.net/node/16360

After you read it you'll see how dumb this really is.

NBAdraft.net might be the worst draft website out there.

[HartfordWhalers]

i was always team simmons but its funny to me how ingram was dominating this poll then we get number 1 and so many people flip lol

I wonder if that is because before we got the number 1 pick them it was an abstract concept. Ingram clearly fits better so it is easier to jump to him on first blush.

Once we got the first pick then it became real.

It still surprises me though because it isn't close for me. Simmons is a great player that isn't a perfect fit, and Ingram is a good player that is a perfect fit. Two different levels for me.

I reset the poll after the lottery. It was still Ingram tied or up one to two votes for a the first 100+ votes.

I stay off watching a ton of the guys until post lottery and I know I'm not psyching myself up over a guy that goes 3 picks ahead of us. My knee jerk with little film was Ingram. But I'm willing to being sold on Simmons being the better prospect, and if he is, I go on that and screw fit because at this level talent is what matters.

I'm still slowly starting to look at stuff and move more informed, but it is interesting to see how may people have the take that Simmons is a full (half?) tier above Ingram. I wonder if he really is, or if there is an echo chamber effect going on.

[Philly Phanatic]

I think all the talk about Simmons's ability to shoot the ball is really over-blown. Let's hope the Sixers don't over think things.

This prospect review is REALLY ridiculous.....

"I think, he'll come in and play and help us."

"The knock on him is that he can't shoot the ball,"he just drives the ball to the basket and he doesn't need a shot. But he's so smart, he may learn from taking some mighty licks."

But when we look at him for the draft the biggest thing about him is, can he make a shot? We wonder what kind of shooter he'd be."

Read the COMPLETE prospect profile here: http://www.nbadraft.net/node/16360

After you read it you'll see how dumb this really is.

NBAdraft.net might be the worst draft website out there.

That may be true but did you READ the profile?

[freshie2]

Simmons is a tier (half tier) above in terms of a star quality player. Ingram is a better shooter and has great length, but I'm not sold on the star quality. The Sixers assessment process may put Ingram higher, but I don't see him as a 'star'...all that being said, I'm not upset with either name.

[Sportfan73]

Simmons is a tier (half tier) above in terms of a star quality player. Ingram is a better shooter and has great length, but I'm not sold on the star quality. The Sixers assessment process may put Ingram higher, but I don't see him as a 'star'...all that being said, I'm not upset with either name.

I think for me it's the fact that if they both hit their ceilings it's not even close with Simmons being a top 5 or even top 2-3 player in the league.

[76ciology]

Simmons is a tier (half tier) above in terms of a star quality player. Ingram is a better shooter and has great length, but I'm not sold on the star quality. The Sixers assessment process may put Ingram higher, but I don't see him as a 'star'...all that being said, I'm not upset with either name.

Not necessarily stars but you can also put KP, George, Middleton, Rodney Hood and Kawhi in there. These type of players are better in the NBA. It's just we don't know how good they're gonna be.

There are other guys who didn't translate like Porter. But I do think Ingram's a much better prospect. He's much longer and skilled.

In the end you just need to recalculate the value of both guys in terms of NBA value.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Simmons is a tier (half tier) above in terms of a star quality player. Ingram is a better shooter and has great length, but I'm not sold on the star quality. The Sixers assessment process may put Ingram higher, but I don't see him as a 'star'...all that being said, I'm not upset with either name.

I think for me it's the fact that if they both hit their ceilings it's not even close with Simmons being a top 5 or even top 2-3 player in the league.

I wouldn't go that far. Even if he reaches his potential, top 2-3 would have to surpass some damn good all-time talents.

[76ciology]

I think all the talk about Simmons's ability to shoot the ball is really over-blown. Let's hope the Sixers don't over think things.

This prospect review is REALLY ridiculous.....

"I think, he'll come in and play and help us."

"The knock on him is that he can't shoot the ball,"he just drives the ball to the basket and he doesn't need a shot. But he's so smart, he may learn from taking some mighty licks."

But when we look at him for the draft the biggest thing about him is, can he make a shot? We wonder what kind of shooter he'd be."

Read the COMPLETE prospect profile here: http://www.nbadraft.net/node/16360

After you read it you'll see how dumb this really is.

NBAdraft.net might be the worst draft website out there.

That may be true but did you READ the profile?

Let's say Jordan didn't develop his midrange jumper, I don't think he'd be as good as he was.

This Jordan reference was also the same story Wolves fans and Raptors fans use to confort themselves with Wiggins and Derozan.

Jordan shot almost 80% from FT line. Had one of the best shooting mechanics of all time. Comparing his shooting and ben simmons' is unfair.

Jordan also played in a different era. Say he was guarded by the wing defenders who can match-up his length and athleticism like Kawhi, LBJ or KD, he will need to have a 3pt shot.

[Mik317]

Derozan has become a much better shooter. He's not lights out by no means but he can be effective from mid range...and his real skill is getting to the line.

[76ciology]

Ben Simmons' biggest strength in scoring is his 75% FG% around the rim. Do you guys think he can sustain it against long wing defenders + rim protector bigs around the rim?

[CoreyGallagher]

Ben Simmons' biggest strength in scoring is his 75% FG% around the rim. Do you guys think he can sustain it against long wing defenders + rim protector bigs around the rim?

Also, free throw rate.

[freshie2]

Simmons is a tier (half tier) above in terms of a star quality player. Ingram is a better shooter and has great length, but I'm not sold on the star quality. The Sixers assessment process may put Ingram higher, but I don't see him as a 'star'...all that being said, I'm not upset with either name.

Not necessarily stars but you can also put KP, George, Middleton, Rodney Hood and Kawhi in there. These type of players are better in the NBA. It's just we don't know how good they're gonna be.

There are other guys who didn't translate like Porter. But I do think Ingram's a much better prospect. He's much longer and skilled.

In the end you just need to recalculate the value of both guys in terms of NBA value.

Agree on the NBA translation, which is where Simmons should flourish. 6'10" with that handle and athleticism is rarified air, and in the NBA game he's a very unique talent. Watching him in the open court and distributing the ball is what makes you excited.

Interesting to watch Frye in the playoffs...Ingram has to extend his range to the NBA 3 to make a lot of these discussions relevant. No indication he won't, but if he's only able to consistently hit the 20' jumper and not extend further. If his hallmark is a long NBA 3 pts shooter, is that worth the #1 overall pick, or a few seconds or late first in a trade heading into the playoffs?

[76ciology]

Simmons is a tier (half tier) above in terms of a star quality player. Ingram is a better shooter and has great length, but I'm not sold on the star quality. The Sixers assessment process may put Ingram higher, but I don't see him as a 'star'...all that being said, I'm not upset with either name.

Not necessarily stars but you can also put KP, George, Middleton, Rodney Hood and Kawhi in there. These type of players are better in the NBA. It's just we don't know how good they're gonna be.

There are other guys who didn't translate like Porter. But I do think Ingram's a much better prospect. He's much longer and skilled.

In the end you just need to recalculate the value of both guys in terms of NBA value.

Agree on the NBA translation, which is where Simmons should flourish. 6'10" with that handle and athleticism is rarified air, and in the NBA game he's a very unique talent. Watching him in the open court and distributing the ball is what makes you excited.

Interesting to watch Frye in the playoffs...Ingram has to extend his range to the NBA 3 to make a lot of these discussions relevant. No indication he won't, but if he's only able to consistently hit the 20' jumper and not extend further. If his hallmark is a long NBA 3 pts shooter, is that worth the #1 overall pick, or a few seconds or late first in a trade heading into the playoffs?

Rare makes you unique. Doesn't necessarily means you have high value.

Frye is also a good example of a player who fits the way the game is played nowadays shown by his surprisingly good ORPM&RPM.

Yes, Ingram would need to be able to shoot 3s to be relevant for no.1 pick discussion. He's the 3rd best catch and shoot player in the draft. But make no mistake that he's just a shooter, he also can drive and create for his teammates while also long enough to protect the rim shown by his consistent block numbers since HS.

[PhilasFinest]

Ben Simmons' biggest strength in scoring is his 75% FG% around the rim. Do you guys think he can sustain it against long wing defenders + rim protector bigs around the rim?

You can flip this type of question on Ingram and a majority of other prospects as well.

Can Ingram improve his ability to finish around the rim against stronger, athletic defenders and rim protectors?

Can he create his own shot and beat those long athletic wings?

[PhilasFinest]

Frye is also excelling by getting wide open shots because or LeBron's ability to pass and collapse a defense.

[76ciology]

Ben Simmons' biggest strength in scoring is his 75% FG% around the rim. Do you guys think he can sustain it against long wing defenders + rim protector bigs around the rim?

You can flip this type of question on Ingram and a majority of other prospects as well.

Can Ingram improve his ability to finish around the rim against stronger, athletic defenders and rim protectors?

Can he create his own shot and beat those long athletic wings?

Around the rim should take a dip, until he gain strength.

That jumper will still be there just like CJ or Booker. Too much height advantage (2nd heighest standinch reach for a SF since KD, if I'm not mistaken) for defender not to close out at him that should allow him to drive. Similar to how hawks/spurs bigs are able to dribble drive.

Ability to score 3, mid and eventually finish around the rim would give him more options and score where there's less pressure. And that is how SFs like Kawhi and Paul George are able to be efficient scorers despite not having great ball handling skills.

[76ciology]

Who's got a higher upside between Embiid and Simmons?

[Mik317]

Embiid. The main issue with him is health. He has all the other tools you ask for in a big. Simmons has the shot and motor questions.

However, I think because of the injuries it is a lot closer than most think. Like yes the foot is the big deal...but he also had back issues too. People shouldn't get ahead of themselves with Embiid...he isn't out of danger yet. Won't be for a few years

[Ericb5]

Who's got a higher upside between Embiid and Simmons?

Embiid obviously. He has no weaknesses, and is an equal athlete, and way bigger.


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[Ericb5]

Embiid. The main issue with him is health. He has all the other tools you ask for in a big. Simmons has the shot and motor questions.

However, I think because of the injuries it is a lot closer than most think. Like yes the foot is the big deal...but he also had back issues too. People shouldn't get ahead of themselves with Embiid...he isn't out of danger yet. Won't be for a few years

Agree that he definitely isn't out of danger yet, but the back problems were really the same issue in a different place.

I will consider his rookie year a resounding success if he survives it without any stress issues, and plays better and longer at the end of the year as he did in the beginning.

If we take off all restrictions and he survives a second year healthy then that is when I will start to feel safe.




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