Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Sixersftw]

ESPN trade machine says Shai can't be traded until June 29th. Can anyone verify that?

Shai can't be traded for a few months right?

It would be ~February 3, 2022 if the effective date of his Extension lines up with the article I read. You typically can't trade a player for 6 months after an extension.

[Kobblehead]

Vassell is our Thybulle upgrade (still good defense, but with added shooting).
Murray is our Maxey upgrade (still no shooting, but better defense and better PG play).
McDermott gives us Niang duplication (unathletic, bad rebounding F but with good spacing).

Sucks that there would be no true centerpiece to get excited about. But then again, our expectations were always probably too high.

[Skates]

Murray is our Simmons replacement, McRoberts is our Furk upgrade, Vassel is indeed the Thybulle upgrade.

If you get a pick with that then you have Danny and Furk’s contracts, plus some combo of Thybulle, Milton, Springer, picks and/or Maxey to make that second move for a big, athletic scoring wing.

[John Murdoch]

Vassell/Murray will be perfect, IMO. That seems to be the best two team trade that’s realistic.

Why for Spurs tho? They already have DM locked up and hes having an amazing season. Guys like Fox ..CJ...Brogdon..are more realistic

[the_process]

It’s just a bat signal to the suitors to pry SGA from OKC and then it can happen. Primarily a message to Minnesota. I doubt it happens but weird there’s all this SGA chatter recently.

I agree that it's a signal to the teams that are presenting pick packages, Minnesota primary among them, of who they want.

[the_process]

Vassell/Murray will be perfect, IMO. That seems to be the best two team trade that’s realistic.

Why for Spurs tho? They already have DM locked up and hes having an amazing season. Guys like Fox ..CJ...Brogdon..are more realistic

The Spurs need a star player to build around, and Murray is not it.

[Kobblehead]

Agreed that Dejounte Murray is not a star player. He's continued to improve throughout his career, but he looks like he's going to peak at that sub-allstar range. And who knows how long he'll even stay in that range. He does not have good durability and he's always going to struggle with both scoring efficiency and willingness to shoot.

[Kobblehead]

Fox has a lot of the same weaknesses as Murray, but there's not doubt he can provide star level play.

[Sixersftw]

Fox has a lot of the same weaknesses as Murray, but there's not doubt he can provide star level play.

I think Murray is a little farther along developing those weak points while providing better defense given their current offensive workloads. I do think you might be buying at his absolute high point however.

[stormi]

Watch on YouTube

After just clicking off some Jaden Springer footage this guy looks like Kyrie Irving.

[Arsenal]

Vassell/Murray will be perfect, IMO. That seems to be the best two team trade that’s realistic.

I would do this. Murray has probably peaked as a reasonable facsimile of Simmons, but Vassell's trajectory at age 21 could make him extremely valuable in a couple years.

Something like Simmons + minor asset (Reed? Milton?) for Murray + Vassell + 2022 or 23 1st lotto protected

[Kobblehead]

Fox has a lot of the same weaknesses as Murray, but there's not doubt he can provide star level play.

I think Murray is a little farther along developing those weak points while providing better defense given their current offensive workloads. I do think you might be buying at his absolute high point however.

My major concern with Murray is the ftr. You can't be both unskilled and lack the ability to draw fouls. To put it into context, Murray draws just as few free throws at Korkmaz and Niang (two shooting specialists).

[the_process]

Vassell is our Thybulle upgrade (still good defense, but with added shooting).
Murray is our Maxey upgrade (still no shooting, but better defense and better PG play).
McDermott gives us Niang duplication (unathletic, bad rebounding F but with good spacing).

Sucks that there would be no true centerpiece to get excited about. But then again, our expectations were always probably too high.

You could consider the unprotected 1st they would have to add as the centerpiece. And the Spurs might insist on Young instead of McDermott.

[the_process]

Vassell/Murray will be perfect, IMO. That seems to be the best two team trade that’s realistic.

I would do this. Murray has probably peaked as a reasonable facsimile of Simmons, but Vassell's trajectory at age 21 could make him extremely valuable in a couple years.

Something like Simmons + minor asset (Reed? Milton?) for Murray + Vassell + 2022 or 23 1st lotto protected

Spurs have to add a salary (Young or McDermott) to make the trade legal. And way too much protection on that pick.

[Arsenal]

Vassell/Murray will be perfect, IMO. That seems to be the best two team trade that’s realistic.

I would do this. Murray has probably peaked as a reasonable facsimile of Simmons, but Vassell's trajectory at age 21 could make him extremely valuable in a couple years.

Something like Simmons + minor asset (Reed? Milton?) for Murray + Vassell + 2022 or 23 1st lotto protected

Spurs have to add a salary (Young or McDermott) to make the trade legal. And way too much protection on that pick.

Yeah obv want to push for an unprotected pick if we can get it. Morey will insist haha.

[spikeslovechild]

Neither Murray or Vassell are top 25 players. Hard pass

[Kobblehead]

I think Murray is a clear tier below guys like Fox/Russell/Ingram. Vassell is a decent sweetener, but not enough to prefer the Spurs package over a swap with Wolves or Pelicans IMO.

[Sixersftw]

Fox has a lot of the same weaknesses as Murray, but there's not doubt he can provide star level play.

I think Murray is a little farther along developing those weak points while providing better defense given their current offensive workloads. I do think you might be buying at his absolute high point however.

My major concern with Murray is the ftr. You can't be both unskilled and lack the ability to draw fouls. To put it into context, Murray draws just as few free throws at Korkmaz and Niang (two shooting specialists).

Which is fair. I would love to get someone that at least draws contact better than Tobi if they're going to, I assume, slot into the 2nd highest usage role. I'll never understand why Tobias never emphasized drawing contact. The fact that his ftr is under Maxey's is absolutely crazy.

[Kobblehead]

Agreed. Especially considering his size.

[ProcessDoctor]

FWIW, I think San Antonio's culture amplifies its players, whereas Sacramento dampens theirs.

In other words, I think Fox would look better in a different uniform than Murray would.