Where is Nerlens?

[hookshot199]

What you typed is utter nonsense. First of all, Embiid eventually will be playing 33-35 minutes a game. He's already close to 30 (playing at around 28 minutes right now) in his most recent outings. That leaves 20 minutes for Noel as a backup this season and 13-15 minutes moving forward. That just isn't enough to keep him happy or more importantly justify paying him the kind of max money deal he is looking for.

Two, playing him at PF for 4 minutes with Embiid accomplishes nothing unless he plays well and in the unlikely event he does then he should be playing more minutes at PF not just 4. If he doesn't then why play him there in the first place? We have Saric. Ersan. Holmes. All who are more then capable why would we cut their minutes and hurt the team to placate Noel?

Why should he play 35 minutes/game given his injury history.Of other leading centers, Noah's career average is 29; only two years over 32. Steven Adams: career average 22, current season 30. Dwight Howard: career average 35. Drummond: career average 30. De Andre Jordan: career 27, last five years 32. Marc Gasol: career 33.7. Cousins: career 31.7, slightly higher this season.

From the guys you listed above only Dwight , Drummond Marc and Cousins are the leader of their team respectively so I think yeah Embiid would average 30-35mins per game for most of his career. Thats how long a big man leader plays now a days if not for more (Towns averaged 35mins and Porz averaged 34mins just in their second year and AD averaged 38mins (and over 35 mins in four of his five seasons)

But he's got an injury history. Why would you want to play him more than 30 except in close games?

Re AD=Andre Drummond. He's around 30/game.

Re Towns: He's young. But perhaps Thibodeau shouldn't be playing him 35 minutes. One of the raps against him in Chicago is that he was playing his players too many minutes and they were breaking down.

[Sixerscan]

Does anyone doubt that the Sixers would love for Embiid to only average 30 MPG for his career? Are we following the same team? It will extend his career. A high quality backup is essential.

[phifans]

But he's got an injury history. Why would you want to play him more than 30 except in close games?

Re AD=Andre Drummond. He's around 30/game.

Re Towns: He's young. But perhaps Thibodeau shouldn't be playing him 35 minutes. One of the raps against him in Chicago is that he was playing his players too many minutes and they were breaking down.

Who called Drummond "AD" ? I mean Anthony Davis. And if your best player is a big man you usually play him around 30-35 mins. Its all up to your head coach. And to think average him 30mins compare to 33mins would protect a player who has injury history hurt himself again is childish. Then why not just play him 24 mins so that he would never got hurt during his whole career.

[LloydFree]

The season has played out very well for Nerlens Noel. Everyone got a chance to see how the team's defense falls apart immediately when Embiid steps off the court. Everyone knows Embiid isn't going to play more than 30 minutes. Now Noel has a chance to make an impact on the defense when Embiid isn't on the floor, that will stand out to everyone. That will build his value either to this team or around the league. Maybe his elective surgery had a strategic purpose.

[Ericb5]

Does anyone doubt that the Sixers would love for Embiid to only average 30 MPG for his career? Are we following the same team? It will extend his career. A high quality backup is essential.

Brown already said that he envisions Embiid playing 36 minutes.

Embiid is a franchise player, and franchise players don't play 30 mpg.

His endurance doesn't seem like it will be a problem, so as long as he can keep his fouls under control, he should be playing as much as possible. You aren't going to protect a 23 year old (giving him this year to ramp back up to full strength) from injuries by limiting his minutes.

You limit minutes for guys over 32 or so years old to keep their legs fresh for the whole season. That just isn't required for young guys.



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[hookshot199]

But he's got an injury history. Why would you want to play him more than 30 except in close games?

Re AD=Andre Drummond. He's around 30/game.

Re Towns: He's young. But perhaps Thibodeau shouldn't be playing him 35 minutes. One of the raps against him in Chicago is that he was playing his players too many minutes and they were breaking down.

Who called Drummond "AD" ? I mean Anthony Davis. And if your best player is a big man you usually play him around 30-35 mins. Its all up to your head coach. And to think average him 30mins compare to 33mins would protect a player who has injury history hurt himself again is childish. Then why not just play him 24 mins so that he would never got hurt during his whole career.

I had mentioned Andre Drummond on my center list. Davis slipped my mind. But I assure you I'm not childish and I'm not stupid. So since you mentioned Anthony Davis, he's missed an average of 17 games in each of his first four seasons. That's 21%. Perhaps he shouldn't be playing 34 minutes per game.

And yes I do think it may make a difference restrict minutes of a guy like Embiid and perhaps Noel. I did say that I'm not his doctor. That's who should make the decision - not the fans.

[spikeslovechild]

Agreed I gave a range of 33-35. Why the freakout? Even if we play him 32 minutes that leaves 16 minutes for the backup position why would that materially change what kind of backup we would bring in?

But we have been around the block. We've read the comments. We know the real reason for these comments some of us here want to manufacture reasons so it's makes sense for a particular player to stay. They are probably upset Embiid is playing 28 minutes most nights. They'd be happy if he played 16 and that particular player played 32 minutes even if we lost every single game doing so.

They even have us potentially starting him at PF even though there is no basketball reason for doing so. Just to make the player happy and give him 4 extra minutes. Nevermind the fact it is the deepest position on the team and we are having problems finding minutes those players already on the team. Nevermind the fact we have Simmons returning from injury sometime in the next couple of months.

[phifans]

But he's got an injury history. Why would you want to play him more than 30 except in close games?

Re AD=Andre Drummond. He's around 30/game.

Re Towns: He's young. But perhaps Thibodeau shouldn't be playing him 35 minutes. One of the raps against him in Chicago is that he was playing his players too many minutes and they were breaking down.

Who called Drummond "AD" ? I mean Anthony Davis. And if your best player is a big man you usually play him around 30-35 mins. Its all up to your head coach. And to think average him 30mins compare to 33mins would protect a player who has injury history hurt himself again is childish. Then why not just play him 24 mins so that he would never got hurt during his whole career.

I had mentioned Andre Drummond on my center list. Davis slipped my mind. But I assure you I'm not childish and I'm not stupid. So since you mentioned Anthony Davis, he's missed an average of 17 games in each of his first four seasons. That's 21%. Perhaps he shouldn't be playing 34 minutes per game.

And yes I do think it may make a difference restrict minutes of a guy like Embiid and perhaps Noel. I did say that I'm not his doctor. That's who should make the decision - not the fans.

Why would team set a 28mins restriction for Embiid if they think he shouldn't play more than 30mins per game regularly? They should just call it the end cos the mins he plays now is exactly what he would play during his career.

[marcush]

Would be great to get him back....48 minutes of defence at center would be fantastic.

[76ciology]

I think Nerlens will be a big help on our defense when Biid's offcourt.

With Nerlens, I'd play more Biid/Jah (play big to start halves) and Holmes/Jah duo. Both have good NetRtg BUT on small sample size. Then have Nerlens play more with Dario/ilyasova, similar to luc mbah-Nerlens back then.

I'd still finish games with PG-RoCo-Dario-Ilyasova-Biid. Was promising against the Pels.

It means Dario playing more at SF and Jah more at PF than average. One of our wing (Hollis?) getting real low minutes while Nerlens and Jah lowering PT to around 20mpg (just like what back up.bigs have)

Maybe something like..


SF: RoCo 24/Saric 16/Hollis 8
PF: Jah 20/ilyasova 24/Saric 4
C: Biid 24/Noel 20/Holmes 4

[spikeslovechild]

Why would we play Embiid 24 minutes?

[SelfishPlayer]

and Holmes, a couple of years from now, $10 mil.

If Holmes keeps progressing, there is no way that he doesn't get paid starter's money which will probably be something like $18M per season.

You might be right, but I'm inclined to think he's not going to get enough minutes this year or next to make that sort of claim. We'll have to see what players in his situation get paid during the arms race.

The Rockets just matched the Nets' offer for Montiejunas: four years/$37 mil. That's $9 mil/year.

Oh, you based it upon Montiejunas. I see. You do know that Montiejunas has a serious back injury history so he is receiving that $9M as damaged goods? If he didn't have that back injury with lingering concerns he would have positioned himself for a much larger payday than that. TIMOFEY MOZGOV received $64 over 4. I Think that Holmes if he keeps progressing will be in line for an uprated version of that contract when it's time.

[eyeatoma]

I think Nerlens will be a big help on our defense when Biid's offcourt.

With Nerlens, I'd play more Biid/Jah (play big to start halves) and Holmes/Jah duo. Both have good NetRtg BUT on small sample size. Then have Nerlens play more with Dario/ilyasova, similar to luc mbah-Nerlens back then.

I'd still finish games with PG-RoCo-Dario-Ilyasova-Biid. Was promising against the Pels.

It means Dario playing more at SF and Jah more at PF than average. One of our wing (Hollis?) getting real low minutes while Nerlens and Jah lowering PT to around 20mpg (just like what back up.bigs have)

Maybe something like..


SF: RoCo 24/Saric 16/Hollis 8
PF: Jah 20/ilyasova 24/Saric 4
C: Biid 24/Noel 20/Holmes 4

Brown says he envisions Embiid without restrictions up to 36 minutes... Anything under 32 minutes with his talent is criminal...

[76ciology]

I think Nerlens will be a big help on our defense when Biid's offcourt.

With Nerlens, I'd play more Biid/Jah (play big to start halves) and Holmes/Jah duo. Both have good NetRtg BUT on small sample size. Then have Nerlens play more with Dario/ilyasova, similar to luc mbah-Nerlens back then.

I'd still finish games with PG-RoCo-Dario-Ilyasova-Biid. Was promising against the Pels.

It means Dario playing more at SF and Jah more at PF than average. One of our wing (Hollis?) getting real low minutes while Nerlens and Jah lowering PT to around 20mpg (just like what back up.bigs have)

Maybe something like..


SF: RoCo 24/Saric 16/Hollis 8
PF: Jah 20/ilyasova 24/Saric 4
C: Biid 24/Noel 20/Holmes 4

Brown says he envisions Embiid without restrictions up to 36 minutes... Anything under 32 minutes with his talent is criminal...

If you notice I didn't mention Simmons in that rotation for I'm just referring to an interim line-up.

And while I don't discount any sort of probabilities, I'm won't bet at a 36mpg Embiid. Likely around 28-32mpg I'd guess.

[hookshot199]

If Holmes keeps progressing, there is no way that he doesn't get paid starter's money which will probably be something like $18M per season.

You might be right, but I'm inclined to think he's not going to get enough minutes this year or next to make that sort of claim. We'll have to see what players in his situation get paid during the arms race.

The Rockets just matched the Nets' offer for Montiejunas: four years/$37 mil. That's $9 mil/year.

Oh, you based it upon Montiejunas. I see. You do know that Montiejunas has a serious back injury history so he is receiving that $9M as damaged goods? If he didn't have that back injury with lingering concerns he would have positioned himself for a much larger payday than that. TIMOFEY MOZGOV received $64 over 4. I Think that Holmes if he keeps progressing will be in line for an uprated version of that contract when it's time.

I didn't say it couldn't happen. He's playing 16-17 minutes per game on a bad team. The Lakers were desperate for a center, and Mozgov is a center. Holmes isn't. The problem facing Holmes moving forward is that he's going to have to take minutes from others who need to get the minutes.

[hookshot199]

Does anyone doubt that the Sixers would love for Embiid to only average 30 MPG for his career? Are we following the same team? It will extend his career. A high quality backup is essential.

Brown already said that he envisions Embiid playing 36 minutes.

Embiid is a franchise player, and franchise players don't play 30 mpg.

His endurance doesn't seem like it will be a problem, so as long as he can keep his fouls under control, he should be playing as much as possible. You aren't going to protect a 23 year old (giving him this year to ramp back up to full strength) from injuries by limiting his minutes.

You limit minutes for guys over 32 or so years old to keep their legs fresh for the whole season. That just isn't required for young guys.

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Brown isn't a doctor, and players, not just franchise players, aren't supposed to break their navicular bone and have bone graft surgery. What franchise players do and don't do is sort of moot if his doctors feel, for whatever their reasons, that his minutes should continue to be restricted. Apparently a review is coming up around Christmas.

[SelfishPlayer]

The Lakers were desperate for a center, and Mozgov is a center. Holmes isn't.

Do centers get paid more than everyone else? Evan Turner and Crabbe got paid plenty of money and neither one of them signed to be a starter even though they were paid like starters. I really don't need to hear the story behind every single player, good professional players that have youth and the ability to start get paid like $15M+ in today's NBA. I do not anticipate Holmes falling completely on his face between now and his free agency. I do not see his lack of minutes being a problem as well. I just view that preventing him from ever entering into talks for max and near max money but starter's money is there for the taking. IAN MAHINMI got $64 over 4 years and you think that Holmes will not get atleast that? You need to adjust to what's going on salary wise with these players.

[hookshot199]

The Lakers were desperate for a center, and Mozgov is a center. Holmes isn't.

Do centers get paid more than everyone else? Evan Turner and Crabbe got paid plenty of money and neither one of them signed to be a starter even though they were paid like starters. I really don't need to hear the story behind every single player, good professional players that have youth and the ability to start get paid like $15M+ in today's NBA. I do not anticipate Holmes falling completely on his face between now and his free agency. I do not see his lack of minutes being a problem as well. I just view that preventing him from ever entering into talks for max and near max money but starter's money is there for the taking. IAN MAHINMI got $64 over 4 years and you think that Holmes will not get atleast that? You need to adjust to what's going on salary wise with these players.

I agree with your last statement. We'll see if Holmes' resume, when it's time for him to sign his next contract, meets your expectations.

[Sportfan73]

Does anyone doubt that the Sixers would love for Embiid to only average 30 MPG for his career? Are we following the same team? It will extend his career. A high quality backup is essential.

Brown already said that he envisions Embiid playing 36 minutes.

Embiid is a franchise player, and franchise players don't play 30 mpg.

His endurance doesn't seem like it will be a problem, so as long as he can keep his fouls under control, he should be playing as much as possible. You aren't going to protect a 23 year old (giving him this year to ramp back up to full strength) from injuries by limiting his minutes.

You limit minutes for guys over 32 or so years old to keep their legs fresh for the whole season. That just isn't required for young guys.

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Brown isn't a doctor, and players, not just franchise players, aren't supposed to break their navicular bone and have bone graft surgery. What franchise players do and don't do is sort of moot if his doctors feel, for whatever their reasons, that his minutes should continue to be restricted. Apparently a review is coming up around Christmas.

Right. And if it means keeping embiid healthy for 10-15 years I am ALL for 28 mpg and overpaying Noel for 28 as well with 8 overlapping. It would damn near guarentee us having a top 3 defense every year.

[phifans]

Brown isn't a doctor, and players, not just franchise players, aren't supposed to break their navicular bone and have bone graft surgery. What franchise players do and don't do is sort of moot if his doctors feel, for whatever their reasons, that his minutes should continue to be restricted. Apparently a review is coming up around Christmas.

If his doctor think his minutes should be restricted during his whole career then we may shouldn't regard him as our franchise player and take a gamble on his healthy to succeed no matter how talented he is.