The Legend of Joel Embiid

[CoreyGallagher]

Just to sell out tickets???

Yup.

[crazy_me_87]

lmao, raise your hand if you are surprised??

no one's hand should be up... after our team went 3 OT's against the crappy thunder with him playing through obvious pain, I knew this would happen

this team is a joke through and through

I’m not, and I’ve owned that since he was drafted.

Matter of fact I’ll do you one better, I still wouldn’t have drafted his crippled ass. He’s an MVP talent whose body is never going to hold up to an NBA schedule and playing all these minutes.

Counting on him to play 70 games a year with 30 plus mpg and a brutal playoff run is ridiculous. Not with this medical staff, not with his body, it’s not going to happen.

I refuse to end on a negative note, the Patriots just basically canned Brady’s trainer, let’s get him here, ASAP.

Thats my take too. I keep saying this.. Ben is the Franchise Player but not because he is in a vacuum better than Joel but simply because i sadly dont believe Joel's body can withstand multiple years of 70+ Regular Season Games + 20-25 Playoff Games.. He is young and should be at his healthiest right now... what will his body look like when he's 30 ?

He already has missed 7 Games so far out of 30 that would be on pace for 63 Games. 61 if you add the two Games before Christmas.. Only beeing able to play in around 60 Games without even actually suffering a real relatively severe injury simply because of nagging issues and because his body cant deal with it... damn thats not good.

And despite him having a 10-15 Season Career is still not a given.. a whole nother Problem is he wont win MVPs and other stuff if he keeps playing 60 Games or less. Shaq missed out on a couple of MVPs because he often only played 65 Games because he was in bad shape.

So in the end even though Joel remains the most important Player..especially on Defense... Ben will be propably the one with the MVPs and Recognition... simply because he is in the Same Sphere of ridicolous stats and Impact as Joel while also beeing able to likely play 75 or more Games a year..

The sad truth many here dont want to hear is: Joels health is still the huge issue.. and propably sadly will be for his whole Career. He wont be Greg Odon but he could very well be Yao Ming. Hall of Fame Big whose career was hold down by his own body.. and cut short at the end.. This still could mean Perennial All Star, Defensive Player of the year etc.. But i fear his body will keep him from the 5 Time MVP while averaging 28/13/4/3 for his career which pure talent he could absolutely do..

[CoreyGallagher]

As long as he doesn't suffer serious season ending injuries then I'm fine hoping that he can play 50 or 60 regular season games, tbh.

Consider that even without Embiid, our starting line-up with freaking Amir Johnson is still +5.7 for the season (comparable to OKC's starters). Our bench just has to be better or improved for us to win enough of these games without him to make the playoffs and then with Embiid we can compete with anybody, imo.

[crazy_me_87]

I'm starting to believe this as well, I wanted myself to believe otherwise, but it's impossible to do so.. dude starts playing more minutes and things look good, and bam, injury.. just like that

and ya like you said, with our medical staff, or lack there of, it's only going to be worse on him and any other player

Its heartbreaking really... Even i as a huge skeptic on Joels health was slowly allowing a tiny bit of hope.. he played above 30 Minutes often over 35.. he looked great... and then BAM .. One overtime Game and he misses the next 6-8 Games..

I understand that people want to believe he can overcome this and there is a small chance he can of course... but we also have to understand that he has missed 2.5 of his first 3 Seasons and is on pace to play 60 Game in his 4th. He will have played in 91 out of 328 Games..
And sadly as i said before... Big Men and any injuries that are leg related be it knee or foot are just a horrible combination. Its Human Body physics... our Bones and Joints are just not made to be above 6'5 any inch above that medically brings huge Problems.. And Joel is 7'1 or even taller.. and he is huge.. heavy.. means more stress on the Body..

The sad reality is that its much more likely that he stays at around 28-31 Minutes playing 50-60 Games(Especially considering you will want him healthy for the Playoffs) for the rest of his career wich could last anything from 5 to 10 more years.. then that he ends up at 35 Minutes a Game with 70 + Games for another 15+ years..

[James40]

lmao, raise your hand if you are surprised??

no one's hand should be up... after our team went 3 OT's against the crappy thunder with him playing through obvious pain, I knew this would happen

this team is a joke through and through

I’m not, and I’ve owned that since he was drafted.

Matter of fact I’ll do you one better, I still wouldn’t have drafted his crippled ass. He’s an MVP talent whose body is never going to hold up to an NBA schedule and playing all these minutes.

Counting on him to play 70 games a year with 30 plus mpg and a brutal playoff run is ridiculous. Not with this medical staff, not with his body, it’s not going to happen.

I refuse to end on a negative note, the Patriots just basically canned Brady’s trainer, let’s get him here, ASAP.

I'm starting to believe this as well, I wanted myself to believe otherwise, but it's impossible to do so.. dude starts playing more minutes and things look good, and bam, injury.. just like that

and ya like you said, with our medical staff, or lack there of, it's only going to be worse on him and any other player

My picks wouldn’t have been great,,,, Smart or Gordon, neither is going to win you anything but I thought with Smart and Noel, they could build something defensively like Memphis has.

Embiid is always gonna be that hole in the prison from the “ The Dark Knight Rises”, he is “ no true despair without hope”. Embiid is false hope, to me that’s worse than being no hope.

Look there are a few reasons guys like Kareem, Jordan, Lebron, Hakeem, Kobe, etc are considered great.
1. Talent
2. Availability, consecutive years of it.

I remember Embiid’s 2nd surgery, and everyone believing the Sixers when they said “ it didn’t heal right”. Huh??,, just 4 months prior he did a between the legs dunk during a layup drill and everyone saw him limp away, so was it healed or not? If it wasn’t why was he out there doing that?

Nothing but smoke and mirrors since Harris took over this franchise. It’s amazing the best year was when a bunch of mediocre guys took Boston to 7 games under Dougie, which was one game away from playing Miami.

[CoreyGallagher]

If you're content with almost beating Boston to assuredly lose to Miami being our best year than so be it, but fans can want more than that. I want more than that. That's why I was fine with tanking and I'm fine hoping that Embiid can stay just healthy enough, staying completely healthy is a false hope, but I don't think we need that. Cited what I believe we need above.

[James40]

If you're content with almost beating Boston to assuredly lose to Miami being our best year than so be it, but fans can want more than that. I want more than that. That's why I was fine with tanking and I'm fine hoping that Embiid can stay just healthy enough, staying completely healthy is a false hope, but I don't think we need that. Cited what I believe we need above.

I’m not fine with almost beating Boston, because in the next few years, it’s going to take a miracle to almost beat Boston.

30 games into his 4th year and he’s hurt, again.

So now Embiid has played 54 games in about 3.5 years, I would say he was the best player on the court for the Sixers in 50 of those games, more or less, and his talent is undeniable, but so is his injury history, that’s why I choose not to believe he’s going to be the guy to carry us through the playoffs to a championship.

Neither one of us has been proven right or wrong, hopefully as he gets older he becomes less fragile. I don’t see it, but I can see where others do.

[76ersMike]

Time to move on this guy will never play on a consistent basis. Try to find a sucker to take him, tank, and get a guy who you can depend on. If at 23 his body breaks down its over.

[PennSports]

lmao, raise your hand if you are surprised??

no one's hand should be up... after our team went 3 OT's against the crappy thunder with him playing through obvious pain, I knew this would happen

this team is a joke through and through

I’m not, and I’ve owned that since he was drafted.

Matter of fact I’ll do you one better, I still wouldn’t have drafted his crippled ass. He’s an MVP talent whose body is never going to hold up to an NBA schedule and playing all these minutes.

Counting on him to play 70 games a year with 30 plus mpg and a brutal playoff run is ridiculous. Not with this medical staff, not with his body, it’s not going to happen.

I refuse to end on a negative note, the Patriots just basically canned Brady’s trainer, let’s get him here, ASAP.

Thats my take too. I keep saying this.. Ben is the Franchise Player but not because he is in a vacuum better than Joel but simply because i sadly dont believe Joel's body can withstand multiple years of 70+ Regular Season Games + 20-25 Playoff Games.. He is young and should be at his healthiest right now... what will his body look like when he's 30 ?

He already has missed 7 Games so far out of 30 that would be on pace for 63 Games. 61 if you add the two Games before Christmas.. Only beeing able to play in around 60 Games without even actually suffering a real relatively severe injury simply because of nagging issues and because his body cant deal with it... damn thats not good.

And despite him having a 10-15 Season Career is still not a given.. a whole nother Problem is he wont win MVPs and other stuff if he keeps playing 60 Games or less. Shaq missed out on a couple of MVPs because he often only played 65 Games because he was in bad shape.

So in the end even though Joel remains the most important Player..especially on Defense... Ben will be propably the one with the MVPs and Recognition... simply because he is in the Same Sphere of ridicolous stats and Impact as Joel while also beeing able to likely play 75 or more Games a year..

The sad truth many here dont want to hear is: Joels health is still the huge issue.. and propably sadly will be for his whole Career. He wont be Greg Odon but he could very well be Yao Ming. Hall of Fame Big whose career was hold down by his own body.. and cut short at the end.. This still could mean Perennial All Star, Defensive Player of the year etc.. But i fear his body will keep him from the 5 Time MVP while averaging 28/13/4/3 for his career which pure talent he could absolutely do..

Everyone knows about Joel's health, it isnt the elephant in the room. Everyone knows it so well that we just roll our eyes when its brought up, it doesnt need to be discussed because its common knowledge. Saying he is Greg Oden over and over is not fun discussion, it is just annoying as hell.

The elephant in the room is why is he playing prime time last year with a torn meniscus only to be shut down after that and why is he playing with a sore back for 50 minutes only to miss X amount of games after that? Its because both games are on national TV, Hinkie would never allow this garbage to take place. Shame on Adam Silver for installing a yes man to ruin this freaking team and potentially its biggest star. The front office lies about injuries to sell tickets, everyone is two weeks away from being two weeks away, we get no insight into anything and only know when someone is out an hour before game time. We havent even seen a single Fultz jump shot since they said his muscular imbalance is now gone. Im 99% sure his shot is still jacked up because how else could it go? We're the Sixers and the Sixers are going to Sixer.

Nothing can ever seem to come together with this team it is a complete catastrophe. Embiid should not have played that overtimes on a hurt back, he shouldnt have played that game at all. Now they are doing it again, saying he should be ready to go on Christmas because its a NATIONAL TV GAME. They clearly didnt learn their lesson last year and they are running him into the ground again this year by following the same formula... dollar signs.

At the end of the day this season DOES NOT MATTER in terms of wins and losses. Risking Embiid in that game vs the Thunder is a disgrace to every single fan that trusted the process from day 1. The goal is to win a championship, not to make the playoffs this year at the expense of health to Fultz and Embiid. It is to start developing these players into budding super stars. Embiid hurt his back vs the Lakers on the 7th. We didnt hear about it until a week later and they declared him out 1 hour before the game. Its a complete farce, i will never get over Adam Silver and Joshua Harris gutting this front office and throwing Hinkie out on the street. F them man, we had a good thing going.


I say again, where is Bryan Colangelo to address his dysfunctional team? He has a lot of explaining to do. Our only hope of getting rid of this clown is if Joshua Harris sells the team.

[BigSleep333]

embiid is at 69 again

[cool93]

I'm starting to believe this as well, I wanted myself to believe otherwise, but it's impossible to do so.. dude starts playing more minutes and things look good, and bam, injury.. just like that

and ya like you said, with our medical staff, or lack there of, it's only going to be worse on him and any other player

Its heartbreaking really... Even i as a huge skeptic on Joels health was slowly allowing a tiny bit of hope.. he played above 30 Minutes often over 35.. he looked great... and then BAM .. One overtime Game and he misses the next 6-8 Games..

I understand that people want to believe he can overcome this and there is a small chance he can of course... but we also have to understand that he has missed 2.5 of his first 3 Seasons and is on pace to play 60 Game in his 4th. He will have played in 91 out of 328 Games..
And sadly as i said before... Big Men and any injuries that are leg related be it knee or foot are just a horrible combination. Its Human Body physics... our Bones and Joints are just not made to be above 6'5 any inch above that medically brings huge Problems.. And Joel is 7'1 or even taller.. and he is huge.. heavy.. means more stress on the Body..

The sad reality is that its much more likely that he stays at around 28-31 Minutes playing 50-60 Games(Especially considering you will want him healthy for the Playoffs) for the rest of his career wich could last anything from 5 to 10 more years.. then that he ends up at 35 Minutes a Game with 70 + Games for another 15+ years..

The real sad reality is that we would be lucky if Joel played 28-31 minutes,55-60 games for about 10 seasons. I won't bet even on that right now.

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[Mik317]

too many people jump straight to drastic measures the very moment things go bad. You are the type of people who would buy a new car the moment they get a flat.

Too many of yall still look at the short term, there are going to be ups and downs...that doesn't mean the moment things are down, you must make a bunch of drastic changes...thats stupid. Thats stupid in a every day life sense.

Many of the "feel good" stories of the NBA are due to years of being bad or mediocre. Look at Oladipo for example...dude was given up on in Orlando because he didn't quite develop fast enough....that doesn't seem smart now does it. Even on a smaller scale look at Detroit....they probably could have had a firesale after last year....but nope. You gotta let things go for a bit before making knee jerk decisions.

Embiid is never going to play a full season..but then again no one does. But you don't punt on him right now, not because of back soreness...Soreness that he did play through. I am certain he'd be playing if these games mattered.

[phifans]

We should just wait till next summer Im sure we can easily get a great discount on his new contract.

[XDevilBoiX]

Lol you guys are great!! One day it’s Fultz, next day it’s Simmons and now it’s Embiid. Who’s next? Or do we rinse and repeat? Lol

[James40]

too many people jump straight to drastic measures the very moment things go bad. You are the type of people who would buy a new car the moment they get a flat.

Too many of yall still look at the short term, there are going to be ups and downs...that doesn't mean the moment things are down, you must make a bunch of drastic changes...thats stupid. Thats stupid in a every day life sense.

Many of the "feel good" stories of the NBA are due to years of being bad or mediocre. Look at Oladipo for example...dude was given up on in Orlando because he didn't quite develop fast enough....that doesn't seem smart now does it. Even on a smaller scale look at Detroit....they probably could have had a firesale after last year....but nope. You gotta let things go for a bit before making knee jerk decisions.

Embiid is never going to play a full season..but then again no one does. But you don't punt on him right now, not because of back soreness...Soreness that he did play through. I am certain he'd be playing if these games mattered.

Oladipo received a lesson last year playing with Westbrook, no one is gonna give you anything, you have to take it yourself.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

See, now I don't see this as quite a big deal like some of you do. Pulling a back muscle (that's what this sounds like), takes an honest 7-10 days of doing nothing but occasional stretching and mostly resting before it goes away. The more he tries to just play through it (he probably could), the longer the pain/strain lingers. This is most certainly rest related because that's essentially all you can do with a back issue like this. Will it reoccur? Maybe....it'll happen again. Maybe Embiid needs to focus on some core strength workouts and lower body stuff. I don't know, I'm not a trainer, but like the shoulder issue with Fultz, the body will be ready when it's ready. This is really no big deal so I wouldn't jump to conclusions. His back probably got really tight and locked up after that game.

[crazy_me_87]

See, now I don't see this as quite a big deal like some of you do. Pulling a back muscle (that's what this sounds like), takes an honest 7-10 days of doing nothing but occasional stretching and mostly resting before it goes away. The more he tries to just play through it (he probably could), the longer the pain/strain lingers. This is most certainly rest related because that's essentially all you can do with a back issue like this. Will it reoccur? Maybe....it'll happen again. Maybe Embiid needs to focus on some core strength workouts and lower body stuff. I don't know, I'm not a trainer, but like the shoulder issue with Fultz, the body will be ready when it's ready. This is really no big deal so I wouldn't jump to conclusions. His back probably got really tight and locked up after that game.

I dont think this injury itself is what frustrates most people here.. its for one the Medical Staff and also that its just like a punch in the gut.. he was playing consistently over 30 Minutes for quite a few Games and he locked great... you almost could hope it last... but nope.. as soon as he looked healthy.. bam.. next injury.. It made people recall that he sadly could be one of those guys who no matter what he does or tries just has not a Body that is made to last 10 to 15 Seasons of NBA Basketball.

[Wilfried]

The guy played about 30 games in 3 years.

And then you think it's wise to let him play 30 games in 60 days without having him get his periods of rest.

His minutes are very high, but I see this really as a part of the process of getting Embiid into a phase where he can play more consistent minutes etc. But it won't be this season, which is very normal given his past and it won't be without periods of extended rest, like now.

[phiphan]

FWIW, some poster on Liberty Ballers said he heard second hand that Embiid got an MRI which showed a small disc herniation.

[eyeatoma]

FWIW, some poster on Liberty Ballers said he heard second hand that Embiid got an MRI which showed a small disc herniation.

Meah... Not too bad... either way this sounds as legitimate as the rumor that Embiid had his knee drained and fluid came out of it during the offseason for his meniscus tear...