Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized

[blargh]

He’s got plenty of moves, but the main problem is he still doesn’t handle double teams well. As good of a defender as Gasol is, he’d be toast if Embiid has plenty of time and space. On the other side, Kawhi is masterful at handling double teams, dribbling away from the second defender and finding the open man.

[Simmons25]

When he's healthy and training regularly, Embiid says he devours steak, chicken and spicy foods. He also has been known to down three of his beloved Shirley Temples in one sitting. Since his knee began barking, he has cut out nearly all sugars from his diet. It has been weeks since he's had a full glass of his sugary signature alcohol-free cocktail. ("I just take a couple of sips to get me through," he says.)

"Right now, I'm eating mostly soft foods -- salmon, salads, all that stuff," Embiid says. "I have to. I feel like if I can be healthy, I can be up there with the best."

This sort of stuff irritates the hell out of me whenever I read this about Embiid. He should be eating healthy all the time not just when the pain gets too much and there are playoffs. Even more so when sugar and the exact stuff he was eating causes inflammation and makes tendonitis pain worse.

Also what's with "It has been weeks since he's had a full glass of his sugary signature alcohol-free cocktail ("I just take a couple of sips to get me through," he says.)". Weeks? He has had this since at least the all-star break....which was almost 3 months ago. Obviously not serious enough about it if he is still taking sips of something he knows is bad for his knee. He is acting like a junkie.

Dude is a professional athlete yet he eats and treats his body like he is an E-sports gamer instead.

[76ciology]

When he's healthy and training regularly, Embiid says he devours steak, chicken and spicy foods. He also has been known to down three of his beloved Shirley Temples in one sitting. Since his knee began barking, he has cut out nearly all sugars from his diet. It has been weeks since he's had a full glass of his sugary signature alcohol-free cocktail. ("I just take a couple of sips to get me through," he says.)

"Right now, I'm eating mostly soft foods -- salmon, salads, all that stuff," Embiid says. "I have to. I feel like if I can be healthy, I can be up there with the best."

This sort of stuff irritates the hell out of me whenever I read this about Embiid. He should be eating healthy all the time not just when the pain gets too much and there are playoffs. Even more so when sugar and the exact stuff he was eating causes inflammation and makes tendonitis pain worse.

Also what's with "It has been weeks since he's had a full glass of his sugary signature alcohol-free cocktail ("I just take a couple of sips to get me through," he says.)". Weeks? He has had this since at least the all-star break....which was almost 3 months ago. Obviously not serious enough about it if he is still taking sips of something he knows is bad for his knee. He is acting like a junkie.

Dude is a professional athlete yet he eats and treats his body like he is an E-sports gamer instead.

Yup. Thats why I applaud the FO back then to put some limitations on his max contract regards to his health and the guts to sit him out.

[76ciology]

I know people like to criticize Ben’s shooting. If you think about the team, not the individual player and have no intention in trading one of them, it’s better for Biid to develop his shooting since it’s more likely than Ben having one. While this bullyball offense takes a lot from him.

There will be times when he will have to face guys like Baynes or Gasol where he needs to reinvent his game. Or else he would have to defer on offense to not hurt the team.

[Bum Adebayo]

Well, it is what I said about Embiid not having a good diet, and that it was the main cause for him to not be in shape and tired easily. This confirms it, same with Simmons not working on his game.

[Sixersftw]

I know people like to criticize Ben’s shooting. If you think about the team, not the individual player and have no intention in trading one of them, it’s better for Biid to develop his shooting since it’s more likely than Ben having one. While this bullyball offense takes a lot from him.

There will be times when he will have to face guys like Baynes or Gasol where he needs to reinvent his game. Or else he would have to defer on offense to not hurt the team.

I agree that its more likely but I don't agree that its better. Say Embiid shot it like he did his rookie year. The problem with BS would still persist. Teams could still sag in the paint when the ball is in his hand and help could still leave Ben to double Jo in the post. Sure it would help individual matchups but from a team POV its only so helpful.
Simmons shooting at like 30% makes the team unguardable. You can't help off of Ben, you have to guard him at the perimeter making his drives absolutely unstoppable, and spacing for cuts (and Ben dimes) is better.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

I know people like to criticize Ben’s shooting. If you think about the team, not the individual player and have no intention in trading one of them, it’s better for Biid to develop his shooting since it’s more likely than Ben having one. While this bullyball offense takes a lot from him.

There will be times when he will have to face guys like Baynes or Gasol where he needs to reinvent his game. Or else he would have to defer on offense to not hurt the team.

I agree that its more likely but I don't agree that its better. Say Embiid shot it like he did his rookie year. The problem with BS would still persist. Teams could still sag in the paint when the ball is in his hand and help could still leave Ben to double Jo in the post. Sure it would help individual matchups but from a team POV its only so helpful.
Simmons shooting at like 30% makes the team unguardable. You can't help off of Ben, you have to guard him at the perimeter making his drives absolutely unstoppable, and spacing for cuts (and Ben dimes) is better.

If Embiid’s shooting improves, this is how he should play.

Watch on YouTube

Space the floor for the cutters and off ball shooters to get open shots. Roll to the basket and collapse the defense at the middle.

A heavy low post offense isnt good for this team. You see.. playoffs and in last moments of close games, refs will punish a bully ball player by not blowing their whistles and allow the physicality.

Like it or not.. nba likes these kind of moments

Watch on YouTube

And its not gonna change.

I heard that Embiid shows elite shooting touch by not missing much in shoot arounds. I feel like there’s way more REACHABLE ceiling with his shooting. While if we are going to rely on Ben to be able to shoot, I think Amir Johnson or Jj Reddick will be a grandfather by then.

[76ciology]

Well, it is what I said about Embiid not having a good diet, and that it was the main cause for him to not be in shape and tired easily. This confirms it, same with Simmons not working on his game.

Seems to me he’s doing a crash diet after the lbs he gain when he wasnt able to play.

[Sixersftw]

Spoiler:

I know people like to criticize Ben’s shooting. If you think about the team, not the individual player and have no intention in trading one of them, it’s better for Biid to develop his shooting since it’s more likely than Ben having one. While this bullyball offense takes a lot from him.

There will be times when he will have to face guys like Baynes or Gasol where he needs to reinvent his game. Or else he would have to defer on offense to not hurt the team.

I agree that its more likely but I don't agree that its better. Say Embiid shot it like he did his rookie year. The problem with BS would still persist. Teams could still sag in the paint when the ball is in his hand and help could still leave Ben to double Jo in the post. Sure it would help individual matchups but from a team POV its only so helpful.
Simmons shooting at like 30% makes the team unguardable. You can't help off of Ben, you have to guard him at the perimeter making his drives absolutely unstoppable, and spacing for cuts (and Ben dimes) is better.

If Embiid’s shooting improves, this is how he should play.

Watch on YouTube

Space the floor for the cutters and off ball shooters to get open shots. Roll to the basket and collapse the defense at the middle.

A heavy low post offense isnt good for this team. You see.. playoffs and in last moments of close games, refs will punish a bully ball player by not blowing their whistles and allow the physicality.

Like it or not.. nba likes these kind of moments

Watch on YouTube

And its not gonna change.

I heard that Embiid shows elite shooting touch by not missing much in shoot arounds. I feel like there’s way more REACHABLE ceiling with his shooting. While if we are going to rely on Ben to be able to shoot, I think Amir Johnson or Jj Reddick will be a grandfather by then.

So I don't think we could ever play like the Nuggets because it's a five out offense and it requires its big man to pass like, well, the Joker. We would still need Simmons to shoot regardless of what role he is playing. I agree that we should limit post ups but my preference is to play more PnR allowing Jo to be a roller or a popper depending on the matchup. This forces big slow white dudes (his kryptonite) to deal with a PnR where Embiid pops. Gasol and Baynes typically struggle in PnR and it punishes everyone else as they have to deal with a rolling Embiid. As much as I love him, we have Brett Brown so shifting the offense to majority PnR is never happening.

I do wholeheartedly agree that Jo's shooting potential is sky high and the fact that it has tappered off over the last couple of years is kind of perplexing. However, If he ever shoots better than his rookie year, its a wrap for the league.

[Bum Adebayo]

Spoiler:

I know people like to criticize Ben’s shooting. If you think about the team, not the individual player and have no intention in trading one of them, it’s better for Biid to develop his shooting since it’s more likely than Ben having one. While this bullyball offense takes a lot from him.

There will be times when he will have to face guys like Baynes or Gasol where he needs to reinvent his game. Or else he would have to defer on offense to not hurt the team.

I agree that its more likely but I don't agree that its better. Say Embiid shot it like he did his rookie year. The problem with BS would still persist. Teams could still sag in the paint when the ball is in his hand and help could still leave Ben to double Jo in the post. Sure it would help individual matchups but from a team POV its only so helpful.
Simmons shooting at like 30% makes the team unguardable. You can't help off of Ben, you have to guard him at the perimeter making his drives absolutely unstoppable, and spacing for cuts (and Ben dimes) is better.

If Embiid’s shooting improves, this is how he should play.

Watch on YouTube

Space the floor for the cutters and off ball shooters to get open shots. Roll to the basket and collapse the defense at the middle.

A heavy low post offense isnt good for this team. You see.. playoffs and in last moments of close games, refs will punish a bully ball player by not blowing their whistles and allow the physicality.

Like it or not.. nba likes these kind of moments

Watch on YouTube

And its not gonna change.

I heard that Embiid shows elite shooting touch by not missing much in shoot arounds. I feel like there’s way more REACHABLE ceiling with his shooting. While if we are going to rely on Ben to be able to shoot, I think Amir Johnson or Jj Reddick will be a grandfather by then.

He is not good enough as a shooter. What happened in his rookie season is he got super hot in his first 20 games or so (can't remember exactly) and was over 40%, and then started to shoot normally so it cancelled out, but since he played only 31 games he still maintained solid percentages.

[SixthStreet]

I always thought that when Brett was quoted as wanting Embiid to take 6-7 3s a game sometime last season (or something to that effect) that he was right. Embiid gets so many open, standstill 3s that it will be almost criminal not to take them if he can get his percentage up to around 35%. I'm pretty sure he'll get there and maybe as soon as next year. And once defenses have to give more than token defense to Embiid's 3s it's going to open the floodgates for this offense.

[Bum Adebayo]

I always thought that when Brett was quoted as wanting Embiid to take 6-7 3s a game sometime last season (or something to that effect) that he was right. Embiid gets so many open, standstill 3s that it will be almost criminal not to take them if he can get his percentage up to around 35%. I'm pretty sure he'll get there and maybe as soon as next year. And once defenses have to give more than token defense to Embiid's 3s it's going to open the floodgates for this offense.

Embiid gets open 3s because defense wants him to shoot it. And no, Brett is not right, Brett wants a GSW offense, it is not possible wih our personnel.
I don't want Embiid being a floor spacer, it is not his forte, let's put his ass inside. Embiid has sacrificed enough already by being so many times camping ouside 3pt line, when is Simmons going to sacrifice by shooting a whooping 1 3pt attempt per game?

[youngcrev]

I always thought that when Brett was quoted as wanting Embiid to take 6-7 3s a game sometime last season (or something to that effect) that he was right. Embiid gets so many open, standstill 3s that it will be almost criminal not to take them if he can get his percentage up to around 35%. I'm pretty sure he'll get there and maybe as soon as next year. And once defenses have to give more than token defense to Embiid's 3s it's going to open the floodgates for this offense.

Embiid gets open 3s because defense wants him to shoot it. And no, Brett is not right, Brett wants a GSW offense, it is not possible wih our personnel.
I don't want Embiid being a floor spacer, it is not his forte, let's put his ass inside. Embiid has sacrificed enough already by being so many times camping ouside 3pt line, when is Simmons going to sacrifice by shooting a whooping 1 3pt attempt per game?

And if he shot better, the defense wouldn't want it anymore.

Ben needs to start shooting the ball. Doesn't mean Job doesn't need to improve that aspect of his game.

[SixthStreet]

Embiid is always going to get open 3s. Even if he demonstrates 35% shooting at volume from 3, what do you think is going to happen? The other coaches having their Cs close out hard on Embiid? He's already shown he destroys defenses with pump fakes and the ability to put the ball on the floor from the 3 point line.

The whole offense is going to go to another level of explosiveness when it happens. It's going to make us an unstoppable force. If I were Embiid, I'd just work on shooting 3s all offseason.

Another benefit is the more 3s he takes the better it is for his body and longevity and that should be a big consideration.

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid is always going to get open 3s. Even if he demonstrates 35% shooting at volume from 3, what do you think is going to happen? The other coaches having their Cs close out hard on Embiid? He's already shown he destroys defenses with pump fakes and the ability to put the ball on the floor from the 3 point line.

The whole offense is going to go to another level of explosiveness when it happens. It's going to make us an unstoppable force. If I were Embiid, I'd just work on shooting 3s all offseason.

Another benefit is the more 3s he takes the better it is for his body and longevity and that should be a big consideration.

The last thing the league needs is Embiid reducing his post play in favor of adopting the 3pt shooting trend, post play needs to survive when the league is making its best effort to remove post play and midrange shot. Otherwise, you are basically admitting post play is dead and only 3pt shots and layups are effective, **** that.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid is always going to get open 3s. Even if he demonstrates 35% shooting at volume from 3, what do you think is going to happen? The other coaches having their Cs close out hard on Embiid? He's already shown he destroys defenses with pump fakes and the ability to put the ball on the floor from the 3 point line.

The whole offense is going to go to another level of explosiveness when it happens. It's going to make us an unstoppable force. If I were Embiid, I'd just work on shooting 3s all offseason.

Another benefit is the more 3s he takes the better it is for his body and longevity and that should be a big consideration.

The last thing the league needs is Embiid reducing his post play in favor of adopting the 3pt shooting trend, post play needs to survive when the league is making its best effort to remove post play and midrange shot. Otherwise, you are basically admitting post play is dead and only 3pt shots and layups are effective, **** that.

This!

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[76ciology]

I know people like to criticize Ben’s shooting. If you think about the team, not the individual player and have no intention in trading one of them, it’s better for Biid to develop his shooting since it’s more likely than Ben having one. While this bullyball offense takes a lot from him.

There will be times when he will have to face guys like Baynes or Gasol where he needs to reinvent his game. Or else he would have to defer on offense to not hurt the team.

Watch on YouTube

Nobody can stop him if his shot is falling

[Sixersftw]

As much as I love him, we have Brett Brown so shifting the offense to majority PnR is never happening.

I'm just gonna STFU now.

[Lou_23]

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[SixthStreet]

The game is different today and "positionless" basketball let's big guys showcase a wider variety of their talents. I'm pretty sure Hakeem could have done all the stuff Embiid does today if allowed to. But Hakeem was demonstrably smaller than Embiid.