Welcome Tyrese Maxey!

M2J · Post #1361 » by **M2J** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:02 am

Kobblehead wrote:The only real difference in Maxey's numbers as a starter vs. as a reserve is his three point percentage.

Starter: 45.5% field goal, 39.3% three point, 80.4% free throw, 56.5% true shooting
Reserve: 44.7% field goal, 35.3% three point, 82.8% free throw, 55.7% true shooting

I'm not sold that it has anything to do with the bench or not. At the end of the day he plays better with James Harden and Joel and he still plays with them. But, he defers to them a lot. The bench roll is supposed to be an opportunity for him to actually go and get his and grow as a player. That's what development looks like. He's got to figure it out .

They tried staggering too, The idea if I'm coming off the bench I'll ask for him to come in fresh and really carry them and light a spark. Which sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't.

Also he's going to be playing with Joel and or Harden at all times in the playoffs

elchengue20 · Post #1362 » by **elchengue20** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:55 pm

Always sayed that Embiid is our Duncan, Harden our Ginoboli and Maxey our Parker.

Following that logic Harden should come off the bench lol. But it wont happen. It could be interesting tho, i think he can take over more easily with the 2nd unit than Maxey. Also he was very good playing that role in OKC.

We are still lacking our Bowen or even better our young Khawi. We have Tobias who doesnt fit that role.

Also it doesnt help that instead of prime Pop we have senile Doc.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1363 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 12:28 am

I ran the numbers and Tony Parker didn't have negative RPM! so Maxey doesn't look anything like Parker.
Imagine thinking that the 16th best player in the league should come off the bench and instead we should start the 150th best player in the league, this fanbase is losing it...

elchengue20 · Post #1364 » by **elchengue20** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 3:02 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:I ran the numbers and Tony Parker didn't have negative RPM! so Maxey doesn't look anything like Parker.
Imagine thinking that the 16th best player in the league should come off the bench and instead we should start the 150th best player in the league, this fanbase is losing it...

Ginobli came off the bench in his prime when he was arguably a top 10/15 player.

Even many say he should have won FMVP in '05.

Anyway, i sayed it won't happen. You need a very strong team culture to do something like that, and a winner like Ginobili willing to do it.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1365 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Mar 1, 2023 10:09 pm

And Maxey being actually good, which he isn't...

Bum Adebayo · Post #1366 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Mar 2, 2023 1:51 pm

That being said, I'm happy he is putting up stats, maybe it's better to start him after all, we will be 2nd round fodder again anyway, better to increase Maxey's trade value while we're at it.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1367 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:40 pm

If we ever want to start Maxey next to Harden again, we need another stellar 3&D in the lineup to replace Harris.

Harden/Milton
Maxey/Melton
Tucker/McDaniels
X/Niang
Embiid/Reed

Reserves may change next year, but you get the idea.

Mik317 · Post #1368 » by **Mik317** » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:47 pm

its less about starting or not IMO. Its more about the role when out there and having the pieces around him to assist in that. His struggles have come with him deferring to Jo too much (this is a team wide issue) and then also playing in lineups as the only real threat. Maxey as of right now doesn't quite have the juice to be that consistently. He also needs to learn how to stay engaged off ball and how to get into a game. In his bad games, he floats around taking late shot clock deep 3s...that doesn't cut it. In his good-great games, he is putting pressure on the rim which then in turn opens up the shot as defenses are playing him for that. Its harder to do that when you running mates are slow and or gunshy which allows defenses to key in...last night we had guys who can run with him and it opened up a lot.

He has to be better but some also seem to have been spoiled by his fast start..this is the learning curve of an NBA rotation guy...teams will begin to scout your weaknesses and you have to adjust...he has in the past and this is hopefully just another wall....Biid JUST kinda sorta figured out how to handle double teams and he still struggles sometimes.

Again I don't know if Maxey is build around worthy...think ideally his best role is as a super 6th man and his lack of size is just hard to overcome unless your 2-4 are big and athletic IMO BUT the kid has made improvements on his game every season and in this franchise that is not something I take for granted...so I am willing to bet on his continued growth even at the cost of "overpaying" him (which barring injury I don't think its possible, his age and personality will mean someone will generally always be willing to take him on regardless of his contract IMO)

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1369 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:51 pm

He'll eventually be the lead guard here. Possibly as early as next season if Harden leaves. Trading him would be extremely short sighted on our part. You don't trade him unless you're getting a superstar in return. I think we should continue to be patient with him and his growth.

the_process · Post #1370 » by **the_process** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:52 pm

Bump. Maxey's thread cannot be on the 2nd page.

sodmoraes · Post #1371 » by **sodmoraes** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm

Maxey is shooting 6 3s at 42%, having the 15th best three ball % this year in the nba. In this list hes the 4th player who shot more 3s, so hes doing it with good volume( the 3rd is Isiah Joe lol). His 3 pt evolution in the league is crazy. He was a non shooter as a rookie and 3 years later hes a sniper from 3. :lol:

Bum Adebayo · Post #1372 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:21 pm

Still only at 0.20 RPM, what he gives you on the offensive end, he loses it on defense. he is at Matisse Thybulle or Immanuel Quickley level right now, just that with offense instead of defense.

phillynative · Post #1373 » by **phillynative** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:50 am

His bag once he puts it on the floor is not as deep as you would like for a pure scorer. Hopefully he can add something in between the floater and step back game because once he puts the ball on the floor and his initial quick step doesn't get past the defender he gets rattled and indecisive.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1374 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:40 pm

He is just not very talented, and that is ok, one just need to plan accordingly, either he accepts a role as a microwave scorer off the bench or GTFOH.

elchengue20 · Post #1375 » by **elchengue20** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:03 pm

Hes probably going to be a Lou Williams calibeer player for his entire carreer and thats fine.

The problem is we had some people thinking he was becoming the next Damian Lillard.

We got to stop overrating our young players.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1376 » by **Jailblazers7** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:18 pm

I think Maxey’s offensive issues are solvable and they’re not uncommon for a guard his age. He hasn’t figured out how to play with pace & he picks up his dribble way to early. Give him some time and he’ll get better at navigating the midrange and the PnR.

I honestly think Maxey is gonna make another leap next year. This season has been an incredibly valuable learning experience & there still so much low hanging fruit for him to improve on.

Negrodamus · Post #1377 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:46 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:I ran the numbers and Tony Parker didn't have negative RPM! so Maxey doesn't look anything like Parker.
Imagine thinking that the 16th best player in the league should come off the bench and instead we should start the 150th best player in the league, this fanbase is losing it...

Tony Parker was 119th in RPM in his third year (0.25 RPM). If you compare that to Maxey's third year (0.48 RPM), they are in a similar developmental path. Even though I know you're trolling with the RPM, it's kinda funny how you proved his point.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1378 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:29 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:I ran the numbers and Tony Parker didn't have negative RPM! so Maxey doesn't look anything like Parker.
Imagine thinking that the 16th best player in the league should come off the bench and instead we should start the 150th best player in the league, this fanbase is losing it...

Tony Parker was 119th in RPM in his third year (0.25 RPM). If you compare that to Maxey's third year (0.48 RPM), they are in a similar developmental path. Even though I know you're trolling with the RPM, it's kinda funny how you proved his point.

He has improved a bit, so I'll give him that, but he is still mediocre player overall, we would need to bank on him having an unlikely development path, for the right price I would be ok with it though.

Negrodamus · Post #1379 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:33 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:I ran the numbers and Tony Parker didn't have negative RPM! so Maxey doesn't look anything like Parker.
Imagine thinking that the 16th best player in the league should come off the bench and instead we should start the 150th best player in the league, this fanbase is losing it...

Tony Parker was 119th in RPM in his third year (0.25 RPM). If you compare that to Maxey's third year (0.48 RPM), they are in a similar developmental path. Even though I know you're trolling with the RPM, it's kinda funny how you proved his point.

He has improved a bit, so I'll give him that, but he is still mediocre player overall, we would need to bank on him having an unlikely development path, for the right price I would be ok with it though.

Next year, since he's on the same development path, we should expect him to be hovering around the 34th best player in the league (2.47 RPM) by your metrics. I think that's good enough to keep around.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1380 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:54 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Tony Parker was 119th in RPM in his third year (0.25 RPM). If you compare that to Maxey's third year (0.48 RPM), they are in a similar developmental path. Even though I know you're trolling with the RPM, it's kinda funny how you proved his point.

He has improved a bit, so I'll give him that, but he is still mediocre player overall, we would need to bank on him having an unlikely development path, for the right price I would be ok with it though.

Next year, since he's on the same development path, we should expect him to be hovering around the 34th best player in the league (2.47 RPM) by your metrics. I think that's good enough to keep around.

Yeah obviously if he is at 2.47 RPM next year things will be going very well.