Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[shlo]

Lots of smoke and chatter around Shai now. Love it. I think he’s gonna be a Sixer.

Ugh. We should have just had him anyway instead of Zhaire smith. FML

[Bornstellar]

You guys are nuts if you think Spurs are giving up Murray/McD/Vassell AND picks for Simmons. I believe Spurs highly value Vassell and likely would not include him or Primo in any deals for Simmons. Keldon Johnson and Lonnie Walker are much more likely. I'm also inclined to think SA would be more likely to trade White than Murray.

Something like White + Johnson + Young + 2nd rounder is the best I can see SA offering. But honestly I don't think the Spurs are truly that interested in trading for Ben Simmons, but maybe trying to get in as a third team to get an asset out of it if anything

[GutUNC]

You guys are nuts if you think Spurs are giving up Murray/McD/Vassell AND picks for Simmons. I believe Spurs highly value Vassell and likely would not include him or Primo in any deals for Simmons. Keldon Johnson and Lonnie Walker are much more likely. I'm also inclined to think SA would be more likely to trade White than Murray.

Something like White + Johnson + Young + 2nd rounder is the best I can see SA offering. But honestly I don't think the Spurs are truly that interested in trading for Ben Simmons, but maybe trying to get in as a third team to get an asset out of it if anything

Clearly.

It's fine if you're not interested or if you think San Antonio isn't interested, but that offer is a farce. Really thought you rounded it off beautifully by topping it off with that 2nd though. Bravo.

[Kobblehead]

Something like White + Johnson + Young + 2nd rounder is the best I can see SA offering.

For who? Tobias Harris?

[Sixer4life74]

So many wannabe gm’s in here

[mjkvol]

So many wannabe gm’s in here

Uh, that's kind of the point - it's a forum for fans to discuss the team and exchange opinions. And this being a thread whose subject is the potential Simmons trade, it's logical that trade scenarios might be suggested. It ain't rocket science.

[Bornstellar]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

[the_process]

You guys are nuts if you think Spurs are giving up Murray/McD/Vassell AND picks for Simmons. I believe Spurs highly value Vassell and likely would not include him or Primo in any deals for Simmons. Keldon Johnson and Lonnie Walker are much more likely. I'm also inclined to think SA would be more likely to trade White than Murray.

Something like White + Johnson + Young + 2nd rounder is the best I can see SA offering. But honestly I don't think the Spurs are truly that interested in trading for Ben Simmons, but maybe trying to get in as a third team to get an asset out of it if anything

I disagree. The Spurs have no star, and Pop might want to stick around for awhile apparently. He’s already praised Ben, and Ben has returned that praise. San Antonio is the type of market where Ben wants to be, as well. Perfect match. Ben was who Pop really wanted for Kawhi, remember.


I would frame the ask as such:

White or Murray.
Young or McDermott.
Devin Vassell.
2022 unprotected 1st. Would consider 2023 unprotected instead if getting both Murray and McDermott.

I don’t see any reason that would be too much for the Spurs to acquire their new centerpiece. You may not like Ben, we know Pop does.

[the_process]

Lots of smoke and chatter around Shai now. Love it. I think he’s gonna be a Sixer.

Ugh. We should have just had him anyway instead of Zhaire smith. FML

Agreed, but in the moment that trade was still the correct decision. They just ****** up both the draft picks

[the_process]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

I love how there’s a Spurs rumor, and here comes Spurs fan to tell us Ben sucks

And1ed by a POR fan to boot.

[KL78192020]

So many wannabe gm’s in here

Simmons for Giannis is the right trade! Make it happen Morey!

[Skates]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

Hilarious that you don't think SA is dying to get a guy to build around and a star name, it is why they have been in the Simmons talks all along. White is barely a rotation guy on a decent team, same with your Olympian. Murray is Simmons lite, can do a lot of the same things, but can't guard as many positions as Simmons, is likely topped out and is less efficient. Simons has another level to be unlocked, it is why people are interested in him. Whether it can or ever will be unlocked is the problem or treasure of whomever gets him. I would agree that Murray and Vassell plus McRoberts (you guys can trade Thad separately, he will get you something nice at the deadline as he is pretty sought after) is not going to get a bunch of unprotected pics attached to it and a couple young guys like Reed and Joe might come back your way, but SA is just good enough not to draft a star and not remotely a FA destination generally and especially without a 'name' already there.

Pop clearly thinks he can unlock Simmons' next level and other than your rookie who rarely plays, your team is a bunch of low level rotation guys on a winning team at best. I can see some other fan bases coming in and being all high and mighty about their players, but San Antonio, really, they are low level mediocrity built to last at that same level. Full of 'nice' players, but nothing close to a splash piece. Simmons would be that, you have a friendly fan base, low media expectations and a great organization, it really might be the best spot for Simmons to land and blossom. Nothing in SA compares to SGA, KAT, Anthony Edwards, you are a lot closer to what Sacto can offer at best. Yeah, guys here asking for a bunch of picks with Vas and Murray coming back are over the top, but honestly, your roster kind of sucks other than those two guys we would want. Not process level sucks, but that is the Thunder's beat these days to be that team.

[Kobblehead]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

Agreed, it would take way more than Murray and Vassell. Spurs would have to throw two unprotected lotto picks to get Morey to consider it. The guy with eyes on Lillard and Harden isn't going to settle for a weak package from San Antonio unless Spurs up the ante.

[Skates]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

Agreed, it would take way more than Murray and Vassell. Spurs would have to throw two unprotected lotto picks to get Morey to consider it. The guy with eyes on Lillard and Harden isn't going to settle for a weak package from San Antonio unless Spurs up the ante.

Honestly, neither Lillard or Harden are looking like the guys that you would pay out the package for that either was paid for or offered last year. They are both looking decline phase, though Harden has an old man's game that will be valuable for a long time, just not at his peak level. Murray would have been an easier get before having a bit of a breakout this year, but his numbers are very much fill in a lot of blanks for the Sixers. His rebounding would help a lot at our next best rebounding guards are Maxey and then Seth, while none of our SF's rebound a lick and our backup PF is pretty much the same. Rebounding is a huge hole on this team outside of our centers and Tobias, another place where Simmons is missed and where Murray is a big help.

At this point, Murray or Fox are the most likely PG targets as far as filling needs, having very solid value and likely to be available. They are both willing, but not good shooters, Fox is the superior scorer and self creator, Murray is the better jack of all trades kind of gut. Murray has the advantage of a much cheaper contract, which would bring back another tradeable salary to us, though if we add in salary, Sacto has some nice additional pickings to add to Fox.

SGA would be amazing, much prefer him to Harden or Dame, all the more with Dame wanting an extension and Harden likely to eat a huge hunk of cap if you can get him to re-sign, and dear gods no to any Kyrie Irving deals. Ingram is a huge Danny upgrade, but leaves us thirsty in the backcourt. There are no perfect trades, but some reasonable possibilities and given that we just signed Jojo to a huge extension, older guys on monster contracts really don't interest me in a Simmons deal.

[wfiles]

So many wannabe gm’s in here

You do know you're on a website called RealGM?

[Bum Adebayo]

Hilarious that you guys think your mentally soft SF who has absolutely no shot, and whose value is at an all-time low, who refuses to play for your franchise and is eating up 34M in space, is somehow worth this bevy of assets and great players. Y'all are gonna be really disappointed in whatever you eventually end up getting because it ain't gonna be SGA, it ain't gonna be KAT and picks, and it ain't gonna be Murray and Vassell either

These guys here think we getting a superstar for Bum Simmons

[ProcessDoctor]

With Zion being out longer, I wonder if that changes the odds of New Orleans trading Ingram.

[Mik317]

holy **** no one knows who will trade what for who

please stop brigading other boards telling people what your team of choice would and would not do.

Its closer to YOU wouldn't trade so and so for so and so.

GMs make dumb choices all the time and there are things that we arent privvy to behind the scenes


but beyond all of that...it adds nothing to the discussion lol. No **** Mr Spurs fan you wouldn't want to give up anything of value in a trade....you don't **** say?

[Kobblehead]

holy **** no one knows who will trade what for who

please stop brigading other boards telling people what your team of choice would and would not do.

Its closer to YOU wouldn't trade so and so for so and so.

GMs make dumb choices all the time and there are things that we arent privvy to behind the scenes


but beyond all of that...it adds nothing to the discussion lol. No **** Mr Spurs fan you wouldn't want to give up anything of value in a trade....you don't **** say?

I love how much that bothers you lol, but I agree with you.

And also, "I live in Oklahoma, trust me, they're not trading Shai" is pretty funny too.

[DCasey91]

With Zion being out longer, I wonder if that changes the odds of New Orleans trading Ingram.

Was just about to mention we should def throw the hat in the ring then if the Wolves really want Ben it can throw a possibility where we can come out of this looking excellent imo.

Market wants/needs
And there is agendas from players and GMs in hot water
Can be played to our advantage

Pacers are market players too

Fingers crossed for Turner and Ingram somehow lol