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Re: Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0 

Post#1361 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:53 am

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Kobblehead wrote:I like Sochan. Thought he was the 2nd best defender in the class behind Eason.

His jumpshot was a project and he's been a trainwreck offensively, as expected.

Spurs making the mistake of playing him 20+ mpg as a defensive specialist at the NBA level right now. He should be playing 30+ in the G-League shooting 6 threes a game, developing his jumper.

Devin Vassell shot decently right away which is why it made sense to use him as a rookie. Sochan needs to be in the Gleague.


What type of defender? Man to man? High deflections guy?

Both. He's a good athlete and 6'9"230 so he can man up.

At Baylor as a freshman, he was an elite deflections guy (2.9% steal, 3.2% block).


He seems more like a PH Tucker or Jae Crowder type defender to me
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Post#1362 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:54 am

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Post#1363 » by DCasey91 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:17 am

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DCasey91 wrote:(Cooper as well though he is very skilled just a short arse lol).


42 pts and 12 assists tonight.



Yeah he has it of course by the spades but 2 main problems:

1. Not the best place to be in team wise as Hawks already have Nash 2.0 liability for a guard defensively for their build around so they are capped on team ceiling/building concepts. Best bet is to be 4+ to 4++ defensive players at the 2-5 spot. Think AI/ Mutumbo or Nash/Marion and Co.

2. Domestically I do continue to say this but I don’t take much stock in G League stuff.

But other than that I’d jump on quite a few of the Hawk’s excess talent. Any of Cooper, AJ, Onyeka or Johnson I’d be all over it like a bad smell.
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Re: Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0 

Post#1364 » by Stanford » Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:36 pm

The Nets should blow it up and build around Ben. 4 shooters around our boy. The perfect modern offense.
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Post#1365 » by spikeslovechild » Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:48 pm

I am just going to say it Durant is nice but is clearly slowing down.

You don't see it in the stats but one major thing I've noticed is he isn't really competing on defense anymore. I'd be real hesitant to give up Maxey for him considering he is already 34. We already have Harden who is 33. Not to mention both are injury prone along with Embiid.

Maxey is sort of the spark plug who is the only guy who can push our transition offense.
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Post#1366 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:48 am

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Post#1367 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:50 am

spikeslovechild wrote:I am just going to say it Durant is nice but is clearly slowing down.

You don't see it in the stats but one major thing I've noticed is he isn't really competing on defense anymore. I'd be real hesitant to give up Maxey for him considering he is already 34. We already have Harden who is 33. Not to mention both are injury prone along with Embiid.

Maxey is sort of the spark plug who is the only guy who can push our transition offense.


I’d give up Maxey.

Its easy to replace Maxey (relative to KD; relative to abundance of similar type of scorer)but to replace KD and to replace this opportunity to have Harden, KD and Embiid at the same team is irreplaceable.

And I could be wrong 5 years down the road.
But based on the available info right now, it’s a no brainer IMO.
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Post#1368 » by DCasey91 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:05 am

spikeslovechild wrote:I am just going to say it Durant is nice but is clearly slowing down.

You don't see it in the stats but one major thing I've noticed is he isn't really competing on defense anymore. I'd be real hesitant to give up Maxey for him considering he is already 34. We already have Harden who is 33. Not to mention both are injury prone along with Embiid.

Maxey is sort of the spark plug who is the only guy who can push our transition offense.



Your are overthinking it, it’s KD. He’s literally unguardable and can score 30 with no system.

Look we all rate Maxey but he’s not in my eyes a championship starter. Great sixth man in the regular season sure. But the real thing is way different. He’s 100% a defensive liability with no size that’s not good for team weaknesses which we have plenty of.

KD is legit or looks like 7ft so length alone will hold it in good stead.

The injury prone nature is always going to be there with Harden/Embiid so no use worrying about it. Love/Gallo/Hayward would be excellent here as they fit perfectly alongside Embiid and not Tobias buts that a whole different kettle of fish.
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Post#1369 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:07 am

spikeslovechild wrote:I am just going to say it Durant is nice but is clearly slowing down.

You don't see it in the stats but one major thing I've noticed is he isn't really competing on defense anymore. I'd be real hesitant to give up Maxey for him considering he is already 34. We already have Harden who is 33. Not to mention both are injury prone along with Embiid.

Maxey is sort of the spark plug who is the only guy who can push our transition offense.



I rather give up Maxey, Tobias and 2019 1st for Bradley Beal.
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Post#1370 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:32 am

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spikeslovechild wrote:I am just going to say it Durant is nice but is clearly slowing down.

You don't see it in the stats but one major thing I've noticed is he isn't really competing on defense anymore. I'd be real hesitant to give up Maxey for him considering he is already 34. We already have Harden who is 33. Not to mention both are injury prone along with Embiid.

Maxey is sort of the spark plug who is the only guy who can push our transition offense.



I rather give up Maxey, Tobias and 2019 1st for Bradley Beal.


In my eyes, Maxey is almost equal to Beal. Maybe im just not high on Beal than others
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Post#1371 » by Negrodamus » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:40 am

It's fun when contenders like the Heat (Jovic) and Bucks (Beauchamp) give their later first round picks some starter minutes to see what they have.

It's not fun when teams like the Sixers (Springer) won't play their late first rounders unless the team is completely decimated by COVID (Maxey).
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Post#1372 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:56 am

Trae Young this season
38% FG%
30% 3pt%

I’d also trade him IMO. He’s a big liability on the defensive end and he is not good against big teams with size. And the trend now is teams are adding size. Dejounte Also seems to be playing well
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Post#1373 » by spikeslovechild » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:58 am

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spikeslovechild wrote:I am just going to say it Durant is nice but is clearly slowing down.

You don't see it in the stats but one major thing I've noticed is he isn't really competing on defense anymore. I'd be real hesitant to give up Maxey for him considering he is already 34. We already have Harden who is 33. Not to mention both are injury prone along with Embiid.

Maxey is sort of the spark plug who is the only guy who can push our transition offense.



You are overthinking it, it’s KD. He’s literally unguardable and can score 30 with no system.

Look we all rate Maxey but he’s not in my eyes a championship starter. Great sixth man in the regular season sure. But the real thing is way different. He’s 100% a defensive liability with no size that’s not good for team weaknesses which we have plenty of.

KD is legit or looks like 7ft so length alone will hold it in good stead.

The injury-prone nature is always going to be there with Harden/Embiid so no use worrying about it. Love/Gallo/Hayward would be excellent here as they fit perfectly alongside Embiid and not Tobias but that is a whole different kettle of fish.


I mean when I look at this offense one of the main concerns I have is the lack of pace and transition opportunities and that is with Maxey and him being really our only weapon in transition.

I'd actually like for us to find someone more athletic than Tucker and move him to the bench. One guy that kind of interests me is Obi he is super athletic and can run the floor his 3Pt shooting has gotten better yet he has struggled to find consistent minutes. That's not to say I wouldn't make the Durant trade because at the end of the day I would but we would be one of the slowest teams in the league and honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see one of the younger teams run them off the court in the playoffs.
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Post#1374 » by 76thBearCub » Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:49 am

Curry had his 11th 50 point game which just blew my mind. You'd think he'd have 30 or 40. But I guess when you blow the doors off in the 3rd quarter you don't need to
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Post#1375 » by Negrodamus » Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:45 pm

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Post#1376 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:47 pm

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Re: Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0 

Post#1377 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:51 pm

76ciology wrote:Trae Young this season
38% FG%
30% 3pt%

I’d also trade him IMO. He’s a big liability on the defensive end and he is not good against big teams with size. And the trend now is teams are adding size. Dejounte Also seems to be playing well

It's a good point in that Trae Young has actually shot the ball poorly since entering the league. He has three seasons sub 35% and two seasons above. His playmaking is elite so that's what keeps his equity high in the Hawks eyes. I think they stick with him and hope he takes better shots to improve his percentages.

The size thing is an issue, but not insurmountable, IMO. Trae can cook bigger defenders on the big stage (Simmons).
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Post#1378 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:57 pm

The funny thing about that KD quote is that in the same interview he’s says “I’m not a leader? What the f*ck does that mean?” :lol:
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Post#1379 » by Mik317 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:07 pm

Trae (and Luka) take terrible shots that occasionally go in so they'll keep taking them. That tanks their % but they make up for it with their playmaking so it evens out
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Post#1380 » by spikeslovechild » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:51 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:The funny thing about that KD quote is that in the same interview he’s says “I’m not a leader? What the f*ck does that mean?” :lol:


Durant just wants to be great he doesn't want to lead

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