2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[No-Man]

I'm not too thrilled about Dunn, even if I think he's a plus defender.
Really courious to see what Jamaal Murry can became in pros, playing the PG spot and not the SG spot.

Maybe mockers are sleeping on Ulis: he's short but tough. The Isaiah Thomas' lesson needs to be learnt.

Ulis is a tough little player, but he lacks Thomas' athleticism.

He is as quick and shifty, maybe not the same athlete vertically, but he is much better as a playmaker, pace controller and at defense, where Thomas is okay at best, in a system with really good defenders, and can be god awful in a team that doesnt cover him.

I'd be okay with picking Ulis in the top20.

[Ericb5]

I'm not too thrilled about Dunn, even if I think he's a plus defender.
Really courious to see what Jamaal Murry can became in pros, playing the PG spot and not the SG spot.

Maybe mockers are sleeping on Ulis: he's short but tough. The Isaiah Thomas' lesson needs to be learnt.

Ulis is a tough little player, but he lacks Thomas' athleticism.

He is as quick and shifty, maybe not the same athlete vertically, but he is much better as a playmaker, pace controller and at defense, where Thomas is okay at best, in a system with really good defenders, and can be god awful in a team that doesnt cover him.

I'd be okay with picking Ulis in the top20.

Ulis is definitely on my radar too. Not sure about top 20, but definitely would be happy to get him with the OKC pick.

I like Melo Trimble more though.


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[Mik317]

Ulis gets up for a guy his size too so its not like he is ground bound. If dude was like 3 inches taller, he'd be a lottery pick

[Negrodamus]

Ulis gets up for a guy his size too so its not like he is ground bound. If dude was like 3 inches taller, he'd be a lottery pick

For sure, but I'm not sure he'd have the "me against the world" mentality if he weren't so short. Either way, he's very good at everything, but he will have trouble defensively at the next level. He does make up a lot of his shortcomings with his off the chart intangibles.

[No-Man]

He is tough as nails, has good instincts, and is quick, he will be fine defensively.

[Negrodamus]

I actually think he will struggle like he tends to do against bigger, stronger guards. He will face those type of guards, except they will match his quickness and speed in the NBA.

[No-Man]

Ingram, Allen and Ulis would make a really nice draft overall.

Anyway tier wise for each pick,

Philaadelphia's pick

Ingram
Simmons
Dunn
Bender
Brown

Miami's pick

Newman
Murray
Allen
Hield
McCaw
Valentine

OKC's pick

Ulis
LeVert
Beasley
Cordinier
Bacon

Several possible combinations.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm curious as to why Wayne Seldon is only considered a second round pick. Don't give me the age crap either. Kid has the NBA body already and at the very least should be able to step in and be an energetic defensive player right away. His three point shot looks legit, he can handle, dude is a chiseled 220 pounds. Maybe i'm missing something, but he looks every bit like an NBA shooting guard.

[Ericb5]

I'm curious as to why Wayne Seldon is only considered a second round pick. Don't give me the age crap either. Kid has the NBA body already and at the very least should be able to step in and be an energetic defensive player right away. His three point shot looks legit, he can handle, dude is a chiseled 220 pounds. Maybe i'm missing something, but he looks every bit like an NBA shooting guard.

The problem with Seldon in my mind is that all the things that you said about him were true as a freshmen, but he hasn't been able to take the next step.

He has been a disappointing college player over all.




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[Negrodamus]

I think the idea draft would be

1. Ingram
4. Murray
21. Valentine

Murray and Valentine could essentially be the 1/2. Both are capable of handling the ball. Murray and Ingram add an unbelievable scoring element from the wing positions.

Sadly, this will not happen. Valentine is going to rise too much to be available with the Heat pick.

[Negrodamus]

I'm curious as to why Wayne Seldon is only considered a second round pick. Don't give me the age crap either. Kid has the NBA body already and at the very least should be able to step in and be an energetic defensive player right away. His three point shot looks legit, he can handle, dude is a chiseled 220 pounds. Maybe i'm missing something, but he looks every bit like an NBA shooting guard.

The problem with Seldon in my mind is that all the things that you said about him were true as a freshmen, but he hasn't been able to take the next step.

He has been a disappointing college player over all.




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Way too spotty of a player. Had massive hype coming in and just never lived up to it. I was always waiting for him to break out and, even now, he's a meh player.

[No-Man]

I think the idea draft would be

1. Ingram
4. Murray
21. Valentine

Murray and Valentine could essentially be the 1/2. Both are capable of handling the ball. Murray and Ingram add an unbelievable scoring element from the wing positions.

Sadly, this will not happen. Valentine is going to rise too much to be available with the Heat pick.

Murray and Valentine cant play PG in the NBA and they cant surely defend PGs.
Valentine gets assisted in a ton of his shots, he is a good passer but he is not going to make plays off the dribble at the next level, he is a spot up shooter.
Murray hasnt even shown the ability to set up teammates, taking him at 4 would be a monumental reach also.

[Kolkmania]

Agreed. Murray is showing flashes of being a scorer in the NBA, but he is not a facilitator. Valentine is a great college player, but I have my doubts about his lateral quickness. I still like LeVert at that range.

[Wilfried]

I can imagine us picking Bender with the Lakers' pick, if it conveys.

Just not enough room for all these rookies.

[Negrodamus]

I think the idea draft would be

1. Ingram
4. Murray
21. Valentine

Murray and Valentine could essentially be the 1/2. Both are capable of handling the ball. Murray and Ingram add an unbelievable scoring element from the wing positions.

Sadly, this will not happen. Valentine is going to rise too much to be available with the Heat pick.

Murray and Valentine cant play PG in the NBA and they cant surely defend PGs.
Valentine gets assisted in a ton of his shots, he is a good passer but he is not going to make plays off the dribble at the next level, he is a spot up shooter.
Murray hasnt even shown the ability to set up teammates, taking him at 4 would be a monumental reach also.

Without having looked at it until this morning, Bodner tweeted out a draft analytical article at already disagrees with you about Murray. http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2016/02/15/first-look-at-2016-college-prospect-ratings/

I don't think it would be terribly important for Valentine to beat his man in ISO situations at the next level. I'm more interested in him playing great defense, setting up other players to score (which he does really well), and knocking down shots when he's open. Everyone else can be called upon to score for the offense.

Defensively, I honestly don't think it matters. Valentine is great in his rotations on defense and Jamal Murray hasn't really been a liability thus far. You're not going to stop Steph Curry or Westbrook. Luckily we will have rim protectors like Embiid and Noel to clean up messes.

[Negrodamus]

Agreed. Murray is showing flashes of being a scorer in the NBA, but he is not a facilitator. Valentine is a great college player, but I have my doubts about his lateral quickness. I still like LeVert at that range.

Nothing says lateral quickness like a lingering foot fracture (hello Embiid, we haven't had enough of your injury issues), and another undisclosed leg injury that has sidelined him the bulk of this season.

[51X3RF4N]

Just did a simulation on Tankathon, and it came out with Sixers getting picks 4 and 5. Dunn, Simmons, Ingram gone. Sixers take Brown and Hield....

I think that would be pretty fantastic, considering how poorly the outcome in terms of getting a top 3 pick would've been.

You can slide both those players right into the starting lineup for years to come. I'd think it would make the decision to trade a big for a PG pretty easy too. But which PG fits next to Hield/Brown/Okafor? You'd think a distributor would be the target, right?

Thoughts on a lineup featuring those 2 picks to build around with the current bigs? Who is the PG fit for that team?

[CoreyGallagher]

There are always players that rise and fall in the tournaments and combine, I'd be upset if we didn't get a top 2 pick for obvious reasons, but I'm expecting that eventually there will be more reasonable alternatives at 3 and/or 4 than it seems like there are now.

[Ericb5]

Just did a simulation on Tankathon, and it came out with Sixers getting picks 4 and 5. Dunn, Simmons, Ingram gone. Sixers take Brown and Hield....

I think that would be pretty fantastic, considering how poorly the outcome in terms of getting a top 3 pick would've been.

You can slide both those players right into the starting lineup for years to come. I'd think it would make the decision to trade a big for a PG pretty easy too. But which PG fits next to Hield/Brown/Okafor? You'd think a distributor would be the target, right?

Thoughts on a lineup featuring those 2 picks to build around with the current bigs? Who is the PG fit for that team?

It would be fine, as long as Embiid is healthy.

If he isn't healthy, and we get picks 4 and 5 we are in BIG trouble.

[No-Man]

Seriously players blow by Murray defensively, saying that he is not bad defensively is hilarious.