Where is Nerlens?

[Sportfan73]

Brown isn't a doctor, and players, not just franchise players, aren't supposed to break their navicular bone and have bone graft surgery. What franchise players do and don't do is sort of moot if his doctors feel, for whatever their reasons, that his minutes should continue to be restricted. Apparently a review is coming up around Christmas.

If his doctor think his minutes should be restricted during his whole career then we may shouldn't regard him as our franchise player and take a gamble on his healthy to succeed no matter how talented he is.

Even with him at 28 in today's nba that's not to much of a restriction. I never want him or Simmons over 36. Just not worth it

[hookshot199]

Brown isn't a doctor, and players, not just franchise players, aren't supposed to break their navicular bone and have bone graft surgery. What franchise players do and don't do is sort of moot if his doctors feel, for whatever their reasons, that his minutes should continue to be restricted. Apparently a review is coming up around Christmas.

If his doctor think his minutes should be restricted during his whole career then we may shouldn't regard him as our franchise player and take a gamble on his healthy to succeed no matter how talented he is.

Then maybe we shouldn't call him a franchise player even if he is. Maybe his practice should be restricted. They'll sort it out. We've got Plan B and Plan C. No rush. And it's only money. Josh Harris is worth $2.5 bil.

[phifans]

Right. And if it means keeping embiid healthy for 10-15 years I am ALL for 28 mpg and overpaying Noel for 28 as well with 8 overlapping. It would damn near guarentee us having a top 3 defense every year.

Your doctor doesn't mean you can keep healthy when he ask you not to play over 28 mins what he actually means is you are injury prone and need to be used very carefully.

[phifans]

Even with him at 28 in today's nba that's not to much of a restriction. I never want him or Simmons over 36. Just not worth it

Be limited not to play over 28 by your doctor or not to play over 28 by your coach's decision are two different things.
As long as you win the game I dont care if you don't play much. All I care is you can play as much as we need to win the game.

[hookshot199]

Right. And if it means keeping embiid healthy for 10-15 years I am ALL for 28 mpg and overpaying Noel for 28 as well with 8 overlapping. It would damn near guarentee us having a top 3 defense every year.

Your doctor doesn't mean you can keep healthy when he ask you not to play over 28 mins what he actually means is you are injury prone and need to be used very carefully.

When you pay somebody $9 million not to play for two years, assemble the best team of surgeons and rehab specialists in the land (X dollars), send him even to Qatar (more dollars), perhaps you should listen to their advice. We don't know what their long-term plans are. We don't know what they're monitoring. We do know basically that he's an experiment (same as someone taking an experimental drug), and if his surgery and rehab prove successful it will be similar to the surgery performed on Tommy Johns's arm back in the '70s.

Are his doctors being overly protective? Probably…as they should be. What I find fascinating, sorry to digress, is that he's shooting over 40% on three-balls, meaning that the Sixers can play two centers on offense, which narrows the calculation to: Do you want to be a defensive-oriented team (re-sign Noel) or an offensive-oriented team (probably keep Okafor)?

Even though I believe that Okafor has enormous upside, I always side with the next Marcus Camby or Yoakim Noah.

[Ericb5]

I think Nerlens will be a big help on our defense when Biid's offcourt.

With Nerlens, I'd play more Biid/Jah (play big to start halves) and Holmes/Jah duo. Both have good NetRtg BUT on small sample size. Then have Nerlens play more with Dario/ilyasova, similar to luc mbah-Nerlens back then.

I'd still finish games with PG-RoCo-Dario-Ilyasova-Biid. Was promising against the Pels.

It means Dario playing more at SF and Jah more at PF than average. One of our wing (Hollis?) getting real low minutes while Nerlens and Jah lowering PT to around 20mpg (just like what back up.bigs have)

Maybe something like..


SF: RoCo 24/Saric 16/Hollis 8
PF: Jah 20/ilyasova 24/Saric 4
C: Biid 24/Noel 20/Holmes 4

Brown says he envisions Embiid without restrictions up to 36 minutes... Anything under 32 minutes with his talent is criminal...

If you notice I didn't mention Simmons in that rotation for I'm just referring to an interim line-up.

And while I don't discount any sort of probabilities, I'm won't bet at a 36mpg Embiid. Likely around 28-32mpg I'd guess.

You mean 28-32 until Simmons comes back or Noel or Okafor is traded?

We can't let anyone take a single minute from Embiid. He is the franchise. I think he should play as much as possible, and all of the other bigs need to live in the minutes where Embiid isn't on the floor, and the back to back games where he is out.


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[76ciology]

Brown says he envisions Embiid without restrictions up to 36 minutes... Anything under 32 minutes with his talent is criminal...

If you notice I didn't mention Simmons in that rotation for I'm just referring to an interim line-up.

And while I don't discount any sort of probabilities, I'm won't bet at a 36mpg Embiid. Likely around 28-32mpg I'd guess.

You mean 28-32 until Simmons comes back or Noel or Okafor is traded?

We can't let anyone take a single minute from Embiid. He is the franchise. I think he should play as much as possible, and all of the other bigs need to live in the minutes where Embiid isn't on the floor, and the back to back games where he is out.


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Max. Even if he's the only big we have. Health and energy (pace relative to his size) issue for me.

[76thBearCub]

Looking forward to the game tomorrow, first time I have said that about a game Embiid isn't playing in this year.

[Ericb5]

If you notice I didn't mention Simmons in that rotation for I'm just referring to an interim line-up.

And while I don't discount any sort of probabilities, I'm won't bet at a 36mpg Embiid. Likely around 28-32mpg I'd guess.

You mean 28-32 until Simmons comes back or Noel or Okafor is traded?

We can't let anyone take a single minute from Embiid. He is the franchise. I think he should play as much as possible, and all of the other bigs need to live in the minutes where Embiid isn't on the floor, and the back to back games where he is out.


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Max. Even if he's the only big we have. Health and energy (pace relative to his size) issue for me.

But there is no indication that he can't keep the energy level up for a full starters minutes run, and you aren't protecting him from injuries by playing him fewer minutes, other than the fact that there are fewer minutes for him to GET injured. In terms of wear and tear on his body though it would be negligible.

Hakeem played starter's minutes and Embiid should as well.


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[76ciology]

You mean 28-32 until Simmons comes back or Noel or Okafor is traded?

We can't let anyone take a single minute from Embiid. He is the franchise. I think he should play as much as possible, and all of the other bigs need to live in the minutes where Embiid isn't on the floor, and the back to back games where he is out.


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Max. Even if he's the only big we have. Health and energy (pace relative to his size) issue for me.

But there is no indication that he can't keep the energy level up for a full starters minutes run, and you aren't protecting him from injuries by playing him fewer minutes, other than the fact that there are fewer minutes for him to GET injured. In terms of wear and tear on his body though it would be negligible.

Hakeem played starter's minutes and Embiid should as well.


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Maybe. Just not betting on it. Bigs nowadays requires them to drive, chase athletic guards/wings and challenge 3s rather than just be stationary on both ends.

[Ericb5]

Max. Even if he's the only big we have. Health and energy (pace relative to his size) issue for me.

But there is no indication that he can't keep the energy level up for a full starters minutes run, and you aren't protecting him from injuries by playing him fewer minutes, other than the fact that there are fewer minutes for him to GET injured. In terms of wear and tear on his body though it would be negligible.

Hakeem played starter's minutes and Embiid should as well.


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Maybe. Just not betting on it. Bigs nowadays requires them to drive, chase athletic guards/wings and challenge 3s rather than just be stationary on both ends.

Yeah, but 36 minutes isn't too much still.

Over 40 is one thing, but 35-36 is standard for modern players, and Embiid should be no different.

Embiid isn't a China doll, and once he is at full strength I think we should just let him go and find his own level.


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[76ciology]

But there is no indication that he can't keep the energy level up for a full starters minutes run, and you aren't protecting him from injuries by playing him fewer minutes, other than the fact that there are fewer minutes for him to GET injured. In terms of wear and tear on his body though it would be negligible.

Hakeem played starter's minutes and Embiid should as well.


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Maybe. Just not betting on it. Bigs nowadays requires them to drive, chase athletic guards/wings and challenge 3s rather than just be stationary on both ends.

Yeah, but 36 minutes isn't too much still.

Over 40 is one thing, but 35-36 is standard for modern players, and Embiid should be no different.

Embiid isn't a China doll, and once he is at full strength I think we should just let him go and find his own level.


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Possible. I dont discount that probability, just not certain about it.

[tk76]

All I want is a few games with 48 minutes of either Embiid or Noel on the court. I'd love to see what this team looks like with elite rim protection and centers who can blitz the R&R all game.

[SelfishPlayer]

All I want is a few games with 48 minutes of either Embiid or Noel on the court. I'd love to see what this team looks like with elite rim protection and centers who can blitz the R&R all game.

Were the Sixers ever even an average defensive team with Noel on the court? I thought that people took his advanced stats and turned him into some sort of elite defensive player but in reality he doesn't anchor a defense or shut anyone down. He just can make defensive plays like a Covington at PF/C.

[TTP]

But there is no indication that he can't keep the energy level up for a full starters minutes run, and you aren't protecting him from injuries by playing him fewer minutes, other than the fact that there are fewer minutes for him to GET injured. In terms of wear and tear on his body though it would be negligible.

Hakeem played starter's minutes and Embiid should as well.


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Maybe. Just not betting on it. Bigs nowadays requires them to drive, chase athletic guards/wings and challenge 3s rather than just be stationary on both ends.

Yeah, but 36 minutes isn't too much still.

Over 40 is one thing, but 35-36 is standard for modern players, and Embiid should be no different.

Embiid isn't a China doll, and once he is at full strength I think we should just let him go and find his own level.


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21 players played at least 35 minutes per game last season over 50 games or more. The only big was Anthony Davis (35.5), who only managed to play 61 games and has never played more than 68 games in a season. It's fair to wonder whether the heavy minutes are a large reason he's struggled to stay on the court.

This season, the only two bigs above that threshold are AD and Gortat.

[TTP]

All I want is a few games with 48 minutes of either Embiid or Noel on the court. I'd love to see what this team looks like with elite rim protection and centers who can blitz the R&R all game.

Were the Sixers ever even an average defensive team with Noel on the court? I thought that people took his advanced stats and turned him into some sort of elite defensive player but in reality he doesn't anchor a defense or shut anyone down. He just can make defensive plays like a Covington at PF/C.

The Sixers ranked 13th in DRTG in 2014-15, up from 26th the season prior, largely because of Noel.

[76ciology]

All I want is a few games with 48 minutes of either Embiid or Noel on the court. I'd love to see what this team looks like with elite rim protection and centers who can blitz the R&R all game.

Were the Sixers ever even an average defensive team with Noel on the court? I thought that people took his advanced stats and turned him into some sort of elite defensive player but in reality he doesn't anchor a defense or shut anyone down. He just can make defensive plays like a Covington at PF/C.

The Sixers ranked 13th in DRTG in 2014-15, up from 26th the season prior, largely because of Noel.

yes but let's not forget and that we have average to pretty good defensive players in 2014-2015 (around 7-9). There's a big difference in defense between MCW to Ish or TJ, KJ or Jakarr to Sauce and others. Mbah also played a big role and we saw his impact this year with the Clips. While I think Jah is better rim protector than Simms. Much easier to play goalie around the rim when your playing with less defensive liabilities.

[Sixerscan]

Were the Sixers ever even an average defensive team with Noel on the court? I thought that people took his advanced stats and turned him into some sort of elite defensive player but in reality he doesn't anchor a defense or shut anyone down. He just can make defensive plays like a Covington at PF/C.

The Sixers ranked 13th in DRTG in 2014-15, up from 26th the season prior, largely because of Noel.

yes but let's not forget and that we have average to pretty good defensive players in 2014-2015 (around 7-9). There's a big difference in defense between MCW to Ish or TJ, KJ or Jakarr to Sauce and others. Mbah also played a big role and we saw his impact this year with the Clips. While I think Jah is better rim protector than Simms. Much easier to play goalie around the rim when your playing with less defensive liabilities.

lol

hope nerlens has his legs under him.

[dbodner]

All I want is a few games with 48 minutes of either Embiid or Noel on the court. I'd love to see what this team looks like with elite rim protection and centers who can blitz the R&R all game.

Were the Sixers ever even an average defensive team with Noel on the court? I thought that people took his advanced stats and turned him into some sort of elite defensive player but in reality he doesn't anchor a defense or shut anyone down. He just can make defensive plays like a Covington at PF/C.

With Noel on the court during his rookie season (the last time he regularly played his natural position) they were the equivalent of the 6th ranked defense in the league, despite playing alongside mostly flotsam. Their defense with Noel on the bench would have ranked 22nd in the league that season. You would be mistaken on your recollection of his defensive impact.

[freshie2]

His will be interesting to watch play out. Noel probably gives you a better option in terms of replacing Embiid during the game (due to the athleticism and defense ), but Okafor definitely has more offensive potential. Noel's contract situation may be overblown a bit in terms of who they keep. I wouldn't be shocked to see either of them moved, or both of them moved...if they nail this move, and add Simmons to the mix, they will have turned the corner.