Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[shawn_hemp]

I mean I hope Im wrong, I just want this team to be relevant again. So very, very badly

but that is my first reaction to the trade, thats all

[ponder719]

Perhaps that's where the random 2021 first round pick that was mentioned comes into play. If they don't get the Lakers' pick, and the Kings' win the lottery then they get our 2021 first.

I'm speculating, but it would seem like that's how it could work.

This is pure speculation as well, but my suspicion is that the final protection will be:

a) The Celtics will receive LAL'18 if that pick falls between 2-5. If it does not:
b) The Celtics will receive SAC'19 if that pick is not #1. If it is;
c) The Celtics will receive PHI'19 (or possibly PHI'19 and PHI'21.)

That way, we are protected against losing the #1 pick, but they still get a first no later than 2019. I wouldn't be shocked to find that our '21 pick also conveys if we keep SAC'19, or perhaps only if we keep LAL'18 as a result of it being the #1 pick. I can't see anyone complaining about sending an extra pick to Boston if we're adding two #1OA picks to this roster.

[76ciology]

No one talks about it, but I think Kings will be much better in 2019. They are moving in the right direction.

[Sixersftw]

No one talks about it, but I think Kings will be much better in 2019. They are moving in the right direction.

ehh, still the kings until proven otherwise. I agree this is about as close as they've been to trending upward in about a decade.

[Unbreakable99]

My thing is you said if Fultz isn't hitting shots we are screwed. But Fultz is a much better ball handler and finisher at the rim than Monk. So if Monk isn't hitting shots then what are we? Monk defense has been poor. So if he's not hitting shots and playing poor defense then what are we?

Hey if you like Monk that's ok but the knocks you attatch to Fultz make me scratch my head when you look at what Monk is capable of.

Im probably the only one on RealGm who thinks that Monk is capable of being a good defender when put on PGs.

Which is what he would have done here

The problem is that good teams will just screen you into mismatches, so Monk would need to be able to handle himself on more than just PGs. Fultz is long enough that he should eventually be able to do that.

What are your thoughts on Fultz? Do you think he's worthy or the hype or overhyped? Do you see red flags?

[the_process]

So it seems that BC might have gotten some protection on the SAC pick, too?



Trade keeps getting better! Can't wait for the details after the trade call today.

[ckchen]

Perhaps that's where the random 2021 first round pick that was mentioned comes into play. If they don't get the Lakers' pick, and the Kings' win the lottery then they get our 2021 first.

I'm speculating, but it would seem like that's how it could work.

This is pure speculation as well, but my suspicion is that the final protection will be:

a) The Celtics will receive LAL'18 if that pick falls between 2-5. If it does not:
b) The Celtics will receive SAC'19 if that pick is not #1. If it is;
c) The Celtics will receive PHI'19 (or possibly PHI'19 and PHI'21.)

That way, we are protected against losing the #1 pick, but they still get a first no later than 2019. I wouldn't be shocked to find that our '21 pick also conveys if we keep SAC'19, or perhaps only if we keep LAL'18 as a result of it being the #1 pick. I can't see anyone complaining about sending an extra pick to Boston if we're adding two #1OA picks to this roster.

Actually the last thing you want is to tie any Philly picks into the conditions at all - it just complicates things and reduces the flexibility you have for trading other picks, for example - how the Lakers couldn't even generate an offers to move draft picks before like 2020 the past few years because of the conditions tied to that pick. One of the side benefits (perhaps intentionally) is that actually involving only the LAL and SAC picks means that it literally ties zero strings to anything else Philly may want to do with their own 1st round picks.

[Wilfried]

No one talks about it, but I think Kings will be much better in 2019. They are moving in the right direction.

They sure weren't that bad after the Cousins' trade, that's true.

They don't have star power, but they seem to have players with the right attitude.

Now they have 2 very decent picks and they also have a lot of money to spend.

They could be very decent in 2/3 seasons.

[FlightBrothers]

@Probballdraft:

Hearing if Cav-s Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects

[Skates]

Jah was a super productive player on a national championship team, yet has shown very little leadership, had some off the court troubles and his body language and effort are often simply not there, though that may be as much not mentally accepting his role on offense or defense as anything else. Lots of guys win in college and don't do much in the pros. Simmons was beat up about LSU's season and we are still happy about him being here. Give the kid a chance. I guess anger management courses and going to an already good team at Kansas is more impressive?

[James40]

At one point I put Monk ahead of Fultz on my big board and the amount of pitchforks that came out was ridiculous. I think Monk becomes a better defender than Fultz, I've said this all year.

But hey, who knows right?

Passing on Malik Monk while giving up a lotto pick to draft Fultz is going to look pretty dumb 3-4 years from now IMO

If Malik Monk had been the pick we would be hearing all about how Monk is a 6'2" shooting guard with gator arms. If you're scared, buy a dog.

I dont think you understand how much Ive defended Monk over the year

You should stick to what you believe is right, nothing wrong with that, I did it with Okafor (ugh). Not that he was a great defender at Duke, but he at least gave a crap, anyway Fultz is a better fit with Simmons at this time, had Simmons played last year things might be different, but he didn't.

Who knows, Tatum may be the best offensive player in this draft and Fox might end up being the best 3pt shooter, these are kids, no one knows for sure and teams go with who they believe has the most upside, which right now is Fultz.

He's fine athletically if you put that into perspective,
1. Westbrook
3. Lebron
4. Durant, Irving
5. Who cares.

AG and Zach L are in there as well but the Sixers need basketball players, that's what Ben Simmons is. On league pass two years ago I watched the Magic, even bragging how much fun it was going to be to see athletes flying up and down the court. Regardless of what you think of Hezonja, he's an athlete just on a Euro curve, lol. The Magic were and still aren't very good, athletes with the BBIQ of an elementary school kid doesn't win in the NBA.

[TTP]

Im probably the only one on RealGm who thinks that Monk is capable of being a good defender when put on PGs.

Which is what he would have done here

The problem is that good teams will just screen you into mismatches, so Monk would need to be able to handle himself on more than just PGs. Fultz is long enough that he should eventually be able to do that.

What are your thoughts on Fultz? Do you think he's worthy or the hype or overhyped? Do you see red flags?

I think he's the #1 over Ball, but not by a massive margin, but I think he's a significantly better fit for us than Ball is. If we didn't have Simmons, I think the decision would be a lot closer.

For sure there's red flags, but that goes for every prospect and he has far less than any prospect other than Ball. FT%, lack of defensive intensity, and how bad his college team was are the three biggest flags. He's incredibly young though and his defensive tools are excellent, so I've very optimistic about growth there. I also think we're the perfect environment for helping to ingrain a high defensive effort mindset into a player.

[76ciology]

No one talks about it, but I think Kings will be much better in 2019. They are moving in the right direction.

They sure weren't that bad after the Cousins' trade, that's true.

They don't have star power, but they seem to have players with the right attitude.

Now they have 2 very decent picks and they also have a lot of money to spend.

They could be very decent in 2/3 seasons.

Draft DeAaron Fox and Collins with 5th and 10th pick..

Fox
Mclemore
Hield
Skal or Gay
Collins

That build is a money team build that last season's heat did and its winnable with regular season type weak defense.

[BullyKing]

@Probballdraft:

Hearing if Cav-s Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects

This is NOT something I can get behind

[CoreyGallagher]

@Probballdraft:

Hearing if Cav-s Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects

This is NOT something I can get behind

Would depend on what we'd be trading. I like the pairing, hypothetically.

[Sixersftw]

I'm not down for trading ANYthing of real value for Kevin Love. If it is more than like Okafor and a 2nd, I'm out.

[ckchen]

@Probballdraft:

Hearing if Cav-s Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects

This is NOT something I can get behind

Honestly, why not? It's not like Love is old at 28. All anyone wanted to talk about last season was how a "real stretch 4" like Ilyasova changed how the team played, and Love is basically one of the best stretch 4s in the league, if not the best.

It's all about what the cost is. If "picks and prospects" means the OKC pick or a handful of 2nd rounders + Okafor and Justin Anderson are you really going to say that you wouldn't get behind it?

[Unbreakable99]

The problem is that good teams will just screen you into mismatches, so Monk would need to be able to handle himself on more than just PGs. Fultz is long enough that he should eventually be able to do that.

What are your thoughts on Fultz? Do you think he's worthy or the hype or overhyped? Do you see red flags?

I think he's the #1 over Ball, but not by a massive margin, but I think he's a significantly better fit for us than Ball is. If we didn't have Simmons, I think the decision would be a lot closer.

For sure there's red flags, but that goes for every prospect and he has far less than any prospect other than Ball. FT%, lack of defensive intensity, and how bad his college team was are the three biggest flags. He's incredibly young though and his defensive tools are excellent, so I've very optimistic about growth there. I also think we're the perfect environment for helping to ingrain a high defensive effort mindset into a player.

That's fair. Espn analytics team said Fultz has a 39% chance of becoming a bust. Don't you think that's scary for the alleged best prospect?

[BullyKing]

@Probballdraft:

Hearing if Cav-s Pacers talks go well 76ers could be included as a 3rd team & possible landing spot for Love if IND prefer picks & prospects

This is NOT something I can get behind

Honestly, why not? It's not like Love is old at 28. All anyone wanted to talk about last season was how a "real stretch 4" like Ilyasova changed how the team played, and Love is basically one of the best stretch 4s in the league, if not the best.

It's all about what the cost is. If "picks and prospects" means the OKC pick or a handful of 2nd rounders + Okafor and Justin Anderson are you really going to say that you wouldn't get behind it?

His back injuries concern me but I also don't think that's going to be close to the price. Wouldn't we have to be giving up the lion share of the cost for George for this to work?

[BigSleep333]

This is NOT something I can get behind

Honestly, why not? It's not like Love is old at 28. All anyone wanted to talk about last season was how a "real stretch 4" like Ilyasova changed how the team played, and Love is basically one of the best stretch 4s in the league, if not the best.

It's all about what the cost is. If "picks and prospects" means the OKC pick or a handful of 2nd rounders + Okafor and Justin Anderson are you really going to say that you wouldn't get behind it?

His back injuries concern me but I also don't think that's going to be close to the price. Wouldn't we have to be giving up the lion share of the cost for George for this to work?

yeah i would rather take george, so simmons can play pf