Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[sixers4real]

It will be worse than Chris Paul's contract. Butler is a role player. Nobody will take that contract.

Are you against re-signing Jimmy?

For 5/190? Definitely against.

What if he leaves otherwise? I know you would probably answer “that’s what good GM should do, find the right pieces”. But I wonder what would you.

[kriss73]

I've got a gut feeling that we're going to have our playoff backup center at the February deadline via trade or waivers.

[Kobblehead]

Butler to the Rockets would be best for us, in the long run.

[youngcrev]

Question,

Havent been following things around the NBA that closely but didnt kris middleton decide to be an UFA? Why havent I heard anyone mention potentially offering him a deal if Jimmy signs elsewhere? Hed be a great fit imo.

Because the Bucks probably max him out. Doubt he's going anywhere.

[sixers4real]

Butler to the Rockets would be best for us, in the long run.

How? What do you like taking back from the rockets?

[LloydFree]

Are you against re-signing Jimmy?

For 5/190? Definitely against.

What if he leaves otherwise? I know you would probably answer “that’s what good GM should do, find the right pieces”. But I wonder what would you.

I'm may be in the minority but I don't think Jimmy Butler is the difference between the 76ers winning a Championship or not. If Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons don't improve, they won't win whether Jimmy Butler is here or not. If they DO improve, the two of them, along with good fitting, quality peices will win. Jimmy Butler is a luxury peice, that has turned into a crutch for Ben Simmons, and it will not allow/force him to improve

Now for what I would do if Jimmy leaves. I'd immediately sign JJ Redick, if possible, to a reasonable contract (10m per), so he isn't taking up 18 million as a Caphold. I'd also put in a restricted offer of 20-25 million per to Malcolm Brogdon. And try to keep Tobias Harris for 4 years.
Or
Or let Butler leave and offer D'Angelo Russell 25 million per and start trying to go after Forwards like PJ Tucker, the Morris twins and Aminu.

[ProcessDoctor]

For 5/190? Definitely against.

What if he leaves otherwise? I know you would probably answer “that’s what good GM should do, find the right pieces”. But I wonder what would you.

I'm may be in the minority but I don't think Jimmy Butler is the difference between the 76ers winning a Championship or not. If Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons don't improve, they won't win whether Jimmy Butler is here or not. If they DO improve, the two of them, along with good fitting, quality peices will win. Jimmy Butler is an luxury peice, that has turned into a crutch for Ben Simmons, and it will not allow/force him to improve

Now for what I would do if Jimmy leaves. I'd immediately sign JJ Redick, if possible, to a reasonable contract (10m per), so he isn't taking up 18 million as a Caphold. I'd also put in a restricted offer of 20-25 million per to Malcolm Brogdon. And try to keep Tobias Harris for 4 years.
Or
Or let Butler leave and offer D'Angelo Russell 25 million per and start trying to go after Forwards like PJ Tucker, the Morris twins and Aminu.

Not saying I want it to happen, but Jimmy leaving and us signing DLO could end up being a huge blessing long-term.

Like you said, we can go after a forward with the remaining cap space and maybe a center with the MLE?

You could also Bring back Scott + Boban (or similar level players) on vet min deals.

Simmons/Milton
DLO/Redick/Smith
Harris/Thybulle/Shayok
Aminu/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/(MLE)/Boban

[youngcrev]

If we decide to divide our MLE between a PG and a C, what's the best realistic combo we can get?

Darren Collison + Nene/Noah?

George Hill + Nene/Noah?

I think Nene and Noah are league minimum guys rather than someone you'd divide the MLE.

So if I'm looking at guys in the 4-5M range for each, I'd say maybe:

Bigs: Noel, Vonleh, Kleber, Davis
Guards: Joseph, Curry (both of which probably aren't realistic at that rate), Hill, maybe Burke?

Cory Joseph and Nerlens Noel would be my ideal, while George Hill and Noah Vonleh feels like a more realistic split.

[BullyKing]

Just need to get rid of the salary cap and rework the entire CBA for it to happen and then you guys might really be onto something with these no Butler plans.

[sixers4real]

For 5/190? Definitely against.

What if he leaves otherwise? I know you would probably answer “that’s what good GM should do, find the right pieces”. But I wonder what would you.

I'm may be in the minority but I don't think Jimmy Butler is the difference between the 76ers winning a Championship or not. If Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons don't improve, they won't win whether Jimmy Butler is here or not. If they DO improve, the two of them, along with good fitting, quality peices will win. Jimmy Butler is a luxury peice, that has turned into a crutch for Ben Simmons, and it will not allow/force him to improve

Now for what I would do if Jimmy leaves. I'd immediately sign JJ Redick, if possible, to a reasonable contract (10m per), so he isn't taking up 18 million as a Caphold. I'd also put in a restricted offer of 20-25 million per to Malcolm Brogdon. And try to keep Tobias Harris for 4 years.
Or
Or let Butler leave and offer D'Angelo Russell 25 million per and start trying to go after Forwards like PJ Tucker, the Morris twins and Aminu.

I like your plan.

What I’m afraid of is we loose both Jimmy and Tobias, and at that time Brogdon has already resigned with Milwaukee or singed elsewhere, and DLO also singed somewhere. That is what I am afraid of, and probably that’s why to me the safety way for this team to compete for a title in the upcoming years is to run it back.
Jimmy, Harris, Redick, Boban, Scott, all to sign. The cheaper the better of course.

But I agree with you that the only way championship the Sixers if both Simmons and Embiid improve. They are the cornerstone of this franchise.

[Kobblehead]

Butler is a role player.

Lol. I can see the argument against the full max, but this take is flat out embarrassing.

The timing is inappropriate because Jimmy has been in a stretch of pseodostardom for a few years, but do you really think people are gonna look back on Jimmy Butler as a star of the era?

He's at the tail end of his peak and his career average is in the 16 ppg range. That's just going to lower each year as he declines.

He's just Corey Maggette with defense.

[cool93]

Butler is a role player.

Lol. I can see the argument against the full max, but this take is flat out embarrassing.

The timing is inappropriate because Jimmy has been in a stretch of pseodostardom for a few years, but do you really think people are gonna look back on Jimmy Butler as a star of the era?

He's at the tail end of his peak and his career average is in the 16 ppg range. That's just going to lower each year as he declines.

He's just Corey Maggette with defense.

Kawhi Leonard career average is 17,7 ppg.


Butler is good enough to be second best player on championship team. He is clutch, and he doesn't give a **** about stats. That's good enough for me. He is in that 2nd tier of stars and if we don't get someone like Kawhi in his place, we better keep him. Replacing him with **** Russell who doesn't defend at all and is inefficient chucker & don't get to ft line would be a disaster.

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[Kobblehead]

Butler could never be the #2 on a championship team because he doesn't fit with another star.

He's a #1 on a second round fodder team

[Kobblehead]

Why do we keep pointing to Butler's defense? He didn't take on any tough assignment in the playoffs. Ben Simmons was doing all the heavy lifting.

Ben was chasing all those multilevel scorers on Brooklyn and attempting to guard Kawhi.

[cool93]

Butler could never be the #2 on a championship team because he doesn't fit with another star.

He's a #1 on a second round fodder team

He was #2 on championship caliber team last year. And his fit fith Joel is just fine. Harris missing wide open 3s and Ben killing half court offence on every posession, thats what cost us a title.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think Butler can ever fill a significant offensive role on a contender. He would have to go to the bench and embrace being a stopper ala Iguodala.

[BullyKing]

Butler is a role player.

Lol. I can see the argument against the full max, but this take is flat out embarrassing.

The timing is inappropriate because Jimmy has been in a stretch of pseodostardom for a few years, but do you really think people are gonna look back on Jimmy Butler as a star of the era?

He's at the tail end of his peak and his career average is in the 16 ppg range. That's just going to lower each year as he declines.

He's just Corey Maggette with defense.

No, Butler will not be one of the first players thought of when they think of this era. But how is that the standard on whether it makes sense to bring him back?

[cool93]

I don't think Butler can ever fill a significant offensive role on a contender. He would have to go to the bench and embrace being a stopper ala Iguodala.

He was already doing that last season.

[sixers hoops]

Just need to get rid of the salary cap and rework the entire CBA for it to happen and then you guys might really be onto something with these no Butler plans.

I know you have been reminding of the advantages of operating above the cap; however, what about the suggestions of renouncing everyone except JJ and Tobias, and signing DLo? Seems to be possible capwise, and something I think makes basketball sense. Not sure what JJ would accept to re-sign. However, it seems to work cap wise as far as the major pieces.

I have no clue if DLo would have interest in us, but so much talk in this thread, I think it’s an interesting discussion. Just do to age and size of their max deals, considering DLo in place of Butler makes a lot of sense.

[BullyKing]

Just need to get rid of the salary cap and rework the entire CBA for it to happen and then you guys might really be onto something with these no Butler plans.

I know you have been reminding of the advantages of operating above the cap; however, what about the suggestions of renouncing everyone except JJ and Tobias, and signing DLo? Seems to be possible capwise, and something I think makes basketball sense. Not sure what JJ would accept to re-sign. However, it seems to work cap wise as far as the major pieces.

I have no clue if DLo would have interest in us, but so much talk in this thread, I think it’s an interesting discussion. Just do to age and size of their max deals, considering DLo in place of Butler makes a lot of sense.

Yes, that's possible cap wise. I'm guessing we're assuming he's been renounced for this conversation because blowing up your team to go after an RFA is an issue in its own right. The problem is that the people advocating for swapping Butler for DLO are then ignoring the related consequences of that swap like proposing adding Aminu, Scott and the MLE on top of that which is impossible.

The other problem with a DLO for Butler swap is our starting lineup is now comprised of 3 below average defenders.