So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[Sixerscan]

The bulls have clearly bought the hype on Lavine and desperately want to make the playoffs. I don’t think they have any interest in trading him for anything in the same universe as what we are talking about with Lowry. I don’t think any Lowry trade would happen until closer to the deadline though so maybe that changes. Until then I don’t think we should be acting like he’s on the market though.

[spikeslovechild]

If the price for Lowry is like 65% of the price for Lavine, just go the extra 35% and get Lavine.

They shouldn't be anywhere close though

Lowry is a old upcoming non max FA

Levine still has another year on his deal. Levine maybe 65 percent the cost of Beal

[ProcessDoctor]

You can't take an MVP level year from Embiid for granted. This could be his peak right now. Not the time to be penny pinching on marginal assets.

So go get Lavine...

My thoughts exactly. If you're gonna give up what precious few assets we have left, don't use them on the 34-year-old who's 1 injury away from being completely washed and/or retired.

Instead, pay a little more and go after the 25-year-old who can grow with your other cornerstones for the next 5+ years.

[eyeatoma]

People keep preaching Lavine. I'd love him, but you're not getting him without giving up Ben or Tobi so it's a non starter for me.

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[ProcessDoctor]

If Tobi is the centerpiece in a Lavine trade, you pull the trigger immediately. Bring Thad back home in the process.

[agiaco]

If Tobi is the centerpiece of a Lavine trade, you pull the trigger immediately. Bring Thad back home in the process.

I like your thinking. But I don't see how the Sixers get Lavine without trading Simmons, and that defeats the purpose of adding to the core. Lavine is very dynamic offensively, but trading one for the other doesn't really make enough improvement, if any. Adding a guy like Lowry to the mix without trading one of the big 3 is the type of trade that moves the needle for a win-now team.

[76thBearCub]

Instead, pay a little more and go after the 25-year-old who can grow with your other cornerstones for the next 5+ years.

How does this add up from the other teams perspectives?

[Negrodamus]

If Lowry wants to come to Philly, I think Masai will accommodate. I understand it's a business, but they have little chance of winning it all this year, Kyle likely won't return, and I'm sure they want to do right by him. Could be wrong, but I think it's crazy to think you'll yield a ton of assets for him.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Tobi is the centerpiece of a Lavine trade, you pull the trigger immediately. Bring Thad back home in the process.

I like your thinking. But I don't see how the Sixers get Lavine without trading Simmons, and that defeats the purpose of adding to the core. Lavine is very dynamic offensively, but trading one for the other doesn't really make enough improvement, if any. Adding a guy like Lowry to the mix without trading one of the big 3 is the type of trade that moves the needle for a win-now team.

I think right now you can compare Tobi and LaVine and not see a huge difference. Come playoff time, when half-court offense becomes so crucial, they will be in different leagues. We saw what Tobias looked like against playoff defense Boston, and it wasn't pretty. No reason to expect anything different from him IMO.

I get the reasoning of retaining the big 3 and adding Lowry. It's not a bad option if the price isn't too steep, but idk if that'll be the case. Green + Scott + Bradley + 2nds is the most I'd give tbh.

[76thBearCub]

It's the kind of good will move where he doesn't have tons of leverage anyway.

[agiaco]

If Tobi is the centerpiece of a Lavine trade, you pull the trigger immediately. Bring Thad back home in the process.

I like your thinking. But I don't see how the Sixers get Lavine without trading Simmons, and that defeats the purpose of adding to the core. Lavine is very dynamic offensively, but trading one for the other doesn't really make enough improvement, if any. Adding a guy like Lowry to the mix without trading one of the big 3 is the type of trade that moves the needle for a win-now team.

I think right now you can compare Tobi and LaVine and not see a huge difference. Come playoff time, when half-court offense becomes so crucial, they will be in different leagues. We saw what Tobias looked like against playoff defense Boston, and it wasn't pretty. No reason to expect anything different from him IMO.

I get the reasoning of retaining the big 3 and adding Lowry. It's not a bad option if the price isn't too steep, but idk if that'll be the case. Green + Scott + Bradley + 2nds is the most I'd give tbh.

Of course I'd move Harris for him. I'm saying I don't think that trading Simmons for Lavine is a smart move, and I don't see Chicago having any interest at all in Tobias Harris.

[elchengue20]

It would really be a big trade for us, if that's the case.

Green + Scott+ 2nd rounders. You are basically getting Lowry for Green. Lowry is a much better player and a much better fit on this team.

I think the debate starts if they ask a 1st rounder or Maxey. Don't think Shake is on the table at his production and contract, he's too valuable.

I'm reclutant to give up Maxey. But you could argue otherwise. He's starting to look like he's two years away from even being a reliable playoff rotation player.

[ProcessDoctor]

I like your thinking. But I don't see how the Sixers get Lavine without trading Simmons, and that defeats the purpose of adding to the core. Lavine is very dynamic offensively, but trading one for the other doesn't really make enough improvement, if any. Adding a guy like Lowry to the mix without trading one of the big 3 is the type of trade that moves the needle for a win-now team.

I think right now you can compare Tobi and LaVine and not see a huge difference. Come playoff time, when half-court offense becomes so crucial, they will be in different leagues. We saw what Tobias looked like against playoff defense Boston, and it wasn't pretty. No reason to expect anything different from him IMO.

I get the reasoning of retaining the big 3 and adding Lowry. It's not a bad option if the price isn't too steep, but idk if that'll be the case. Green + Scott + Bradley + 2nds is the most I'd give tbh.

Of course I'd move Harris for him. I'm saying I don't think that trading Simmons for Lavine is a smart move, and I don't see Chicago having any interest at all in Tobias Harris.

I agree 100%. It'd have to involve 3+ teams for it to make any sense (i.e Harris to Orlando or Sacramento). I also wouldn't trade Simmons for LaVine.

[DCasey91]

I hazard to guess Harris will be moved in the off season (1less year on the contract). The downside is his value is as high as it’s ever going to be, and we are in win now mode. His value might tank a lot after the playoffs. Just hoping he performs okay. Because three years at 115 mil there might be a good chance it can be moved to a non FA team destination. And there’s maybe a chance that we won’t have to attach assets to the contract

Beasley is the one I want. Towns may get moved. If that happens I’d certainly give them a call. No one wants to go there lol. Kings too

[Pooh_Jeter]

Cool meme, bro.

Buy out your old, tiny meatball so he can join us the right way. Through the buyout market.

Point is, outside of defense, Green provides nothing in the playoffs.

If the 76ers trade for Lowry you likely get a difference maker for this year and the next 2.

Green's shooting in the playoffs the last 4 years has gotten so bad, the Lakers let him walk after all.

The Lakers didn't let him walk, they traded him for Schroder.

For Philly fans...

Obviously the ideal targets would be Maxey, Shake, picks and maybe Thybulle.

At this point is Shake more valuable to the team than Maxey?

It does feel wherever Lowry goes a 3 way trade is likely.

[TTP]

I'd happily give up Maxey in a deal for Lowry. Lowry is still incredibly productive and has been undervalued for most of his career. His game should age well and I see no reason that he can't continue to be an incredibly high impact player for another 3-4 years.

Morey knows Lowry's worth as much as anyone and I'll be confident in whatever he chooses to do.

[davesilver]

Maxey, Thybulle, Green, 21 frp, 23 frp, 22 swap for Lavine

or

Maxey, '21 frp, Green, Scott for Lowry

[DCasey91]

Only worry with Lowry is his average durability. But his skill/production level was never in question in my eyes. Anytime you can upgrade the starting unit (and in the 2nd most important position for us besides SG, the PG spot) you do the deal and live with the results.

[Kobblehead]

I'd happily give up Maxey in a deal for Lowry. Lowry is still incredibly productive and has been undervalued for most of his career. His game should age well and I see no reason that he can't continue to be an incredibly high impact player for another 3-4 years.

Morey knows Lowry's worth as much as anyone and I'll be confident in whatever he chooses to do.

Not as much as Bryan Colangelo!

[eyeatoma]

I hazard to guess Harris will be moved in the off season (1less year on the contract). The downside is his value is as high as it’s ever going to be, and we are in win now mode. His value might tank a lot after the playoffs. Just hoping he performs okay. Because three years at 115 mil there might be a good chance it can be moved to a non FA team destination. And there’s maybe a chance that we won’t have to attach assets to the contract

Beasley is the one I want. Towns may get moved. If that happens I’d certainly give them a call. No one wants to go there lol. Kings too

Dude just got suspended 12 games, and you still want him, lol. Your obsession with this POS is a little weird.