Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[elchengue20]

Tobias is just old school.

He likes to wear a headband, post up or dribble 3 to 4 times and take contested midrange shots.It won't change. We need him to catch and shoot, he wont be efficient, its not his game.

He was a bad fit before and now hes a terrible fit. The only use i see for him its when Embiid and/or Harden are out and he gives you a few buckets, like last night.

[spikeslovechild]

The main issue is his 3PT shot isn't falling and because of that he is hesitant to shoot but he has been a very good 3PT shooter overall the past couple of years so the question sort of becomes once it does start falling more will he still not shoot?

Regardless I think it makes sense to move him I just think his value around the league is more than the board does. In any case he will have the rest of the season he'll either adapt his game and start making 3's or he'll be moved. It's on him to make it work

[Ferry Avenue]

What was it that made Tobias Harris seem like the perfect piece to add to the lineup consisting of Embiid, Simmons, Butler, and JJ Redick, while also being such an imperfect piece with the current team?

[spikeslovechild]

Tobias is just old school.

He likes to wear a headband, post up or dribble 3 to 4 times and take contested midrange shots.It won't change. We need him to catch and shoot, he wont be efficient, its not his game.

He was a bad fit before and now hes a terrible fit. The only use i see for him its when Embiid and/or Harden are out and he gives you a few buckets, like last night.

I don't really see it that way Tobias is just one of those guys who isn't a shoot it until you make it. If his 3PT shot isn't falling early he just stops shooting them. It sucks because I like everything else about his game including the fact he can cut rebounds well runs the court and does a good job not being a black hole on offense and the fact he has a solid midrange game is also a plus.

He just seems to be unable to make the adjustment and be the 3PT bomber we need. It's unfortunate.

What was it that made Tobias Harris seem like the perfect piece to add to the lineup consisting of Embiid, Simmons, Butler, and JJ Redick, while also being such an imperfect piece with the current team?

I mean it wasn't but I didn't know Butler was such a unwilling 3PT shooter either. This team though is worlds better from a floor spacing perspective even with Harris reluctance to shoot 3's. I mean Maxey has been great. Niang is shooting well. Embiid 3PT shot has developed. Harden is well Harden again.

Harris is sort of standing out because he just isn't comfortable either in his new role or shooting 3's. I hope he makes it work somehow but he hasn't looked comfortable

[spikeslovechild]

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[elchengue20]

The main issue is his 3PT shot isn't falling and because of that he is hesitant to shoot but he has been a very good 3PT shooter overall the past couple of years so the question sort of becomes once it does start falling more will he still not shoot?

Regardless I think it makes sense to move him I just think his value around the league is more than the board does. In any case he will have the rest of the season he'll either adapt his game and start making 3's or he'll be moved. It's on him to make it work

He has never been a good 3PT shooter.

He may have a good %, but its on low volume. He doesnt like to shoot the 3, its not one of his strenghts and he knows it.

On the other hand you have a guy like Niang who bombs 3's without consicence, plays scrappy defense and knows his role to perfection. With another player like him instead of Tobias we would be a much better team. Oh, and hes also muuuch cheaper.

[M2J]

What was it that made Tobias Harris seem like the perfect piece to add to the lineup consisting of Embiid, Simmons, Butler, and JJ Redick, while also being such an imperfect piece with the current team?

I mean it wasn't but I didn't know Butler was such a unwilling 3PT shooter either.

Well to be fair Tobias was like shooting 43% from 3 when they traded for him on near 5 attempts, and around 21pts. For a PF, it made sense and Reddick to space, especially after Jimmy refused to shoot.

[mjkvol]

His his issue is his form is Westbrookian type stiff and he can't feel comfortable releasing that crooked jumper unless he's taken 5+ dribbles. I want him nowhere near the court with these starters.

Watch on YouTube

This was in 2019 with a chance to go up 3-1 on the Raptors, and the last time we asked him to simply space the floor for the superior players around him. And he's going to do it to us again this post season.

Just start Niang.

It's painful watching that, especially the crowd ready to explode on each attempt. Niang had a slightly different result with WFC ready to ignite.

[HardenGoat]

Start Niang. Harris can help so much more getting his post ups and distributing and screening on the second unit. It just makes sense. Iam sure the concern is the ego hit and perhaps his overall value being questioned in doing so.

[eagereyez]

Start Niang. Harris can help so much more getting his post ups and distributing and screening on the second unit. It just makes sense. Iam sure the concern is the ego hit and perhaps his overall value being questioned in doing so.

I had the same thought. Niang looks like Ryan Anderson 2.0 when Harden plays. Tobias is just not a catch and shoot player. He wasn't one with Ben and he isn't one with Harden. Maybe he will be more productive off the bench in a Lou Will type of role.

[phillynative]

Start Niang. Harris can help so much more getting his post ups and distributing and screening on the second unit. It just makes sense. Iam sure the concern is the ego hit and perhaps his overall value being questioned in doing so.

I had the same thought. Niang looks like Ryan Anderson 2.0 when Harden plays. Tobias is just not a catch and shoot player. He wasn't one with Ben and he isn't one with Harden. Maybe he will be more productive off the bench in a Lou Will type of role.

He wont have any space to do his thing playing next to the brick twins shake n furk

[76ciology]

What was it that made Tobias Harris seem like the perfect piece to add to the lineup consisting of Embiid, Simmons, Butler, and JJ Redick, while also being such an imperfect piece with the current team?

Spoiler:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/winners-losers-tobias-harris-trade-sixers-push-finals-raptors-celtics

Philadelphia 76ers
Tobias Harris is not just a good shooter. He’s a great shooter. Pop quiz: How many players have made more 3-pointers over the last two seasons and at a higher rate than Harris (295 3s at a 42.0-percent clip)?

The answer is just two: Stephen Curry (427 3-pointers on 43.7 percent) and Buddy Hield (359 3-pointers on 44.5 percent). That’s how good Harris is from beyond the arc. And he’s shooting north of 50 percent from the corners, where the 76ers need help.

Don’t minimize him as just a shooter. Harris is a huge body at 6-foot-9 and 235 pounds who can run a pick-and-roll and run in transition. Among the 36 players with at least 250 finishing plays as the pick-and-roll ball-handler, only seven players were more efficient than Harris, according to Synergy tracking. He ranks a smidge ahead of Kevin Durant and just below LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard. Harris is not as good as Durant or nearly as consistent, but Paul George may be the only superior Durant proxy in the league.

Given that Ben Simmons is still just 22 years old, are all these moves too much too soon? I’d worry about that if Harris was on the downside of his career, but he’s 26 years old, the same age as 2017 Rookie of the Year Malcolm Brogdon. He’s someone who might be an All-Star in the Eastern Conference. He may not pick Philadelphia as a free-agent destination, but now they can make it feel like home.

Boban Marjanovic is a really good backup for Joel Embiid for 10 minutes, not much more. Mike Scott is another sneaky good shooter who can be a lesser, non-rebounding Ersan Ilyasova for the Sixers. Those two pieces aren’t toss-ins. They will help in the playoffs.

There are legitimate worries about having too many cooks in the kitchen, too many mouths to feed. But I put that in the category of “good problems” to have. It means you have too many stars.

Better yet, the 76ers still have another trick up their sleeve. Notice that Markelle Fultz was not included in the trade, leaving them with another trade chip to improve the depth. The team exchanged five rotation players -- Wilson Chandler, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Landry Shamet and Mike Muscala -- into two stars. Don’t be surprised if they go on a hunt for another wing shooter. Keep an eye on Memphis’ Garrett Temple, Miami’s Wayne Ellington (and Rodney MacGruder) and Orlando’s Terrence Ross. On the buyout market, Wesley Matthews is expected to be a target for Philly.

Philadelphia isn’t the favorite to win the East. But from my vantage point, no team has better odds.

I can still remember being surprised why Tobi wasnt knocking down his 3s after reading this and after watching him play for us

Then if you ask why we went for Al and Tobi. It’s because of this and it was almost consensus from most analysts and numbers (538) that we’d be frontrunners in the east after adding Al and Tobi.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/sixers-smart-reload-tobias-harris-and-al-horford-after-losing-jimmy

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-way-too-early-projections-for-the-2019-20-nba-season/

Im not defending any of this.
Knowing what i know now, i wouldnt add Tobi.
But i think it was a good gamble back then.

[mjkvol]

"Tobias Harris is not just a good shooter. He’s a great shooter. Pop quiz: How many players have made more 3-pointers over the last two seasons and at a higher rate than Harris (295 3s at a 42.0-percent clip)?

The answer is just two: Stephen Curry (427 3-pointers on 43.7 percent) and Buddy Hield (359 3-pointers on 44.5 percent). That’s how good Harris is from beyond the arc. And he’s shooting north of 50 percent from the corners, where the 76ers need help.

Don’t minimize him as just a shooter. Harris is a huge body at 6-foot-9 and 235 pounds who can run a pick-and-roll and run in transition. Among the 36 players with at least 250 finishing plays as the pick-and-roll ball-handler, only seven players were more efficient than Harris, according to Synergy tracking. He ranks a smidge ahead of Kevin Durant and just below LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard. Harris is not as good as Durant or nearly as consistent, but Paul George may be the only superior Durant proxy in the league."



Someone please tell me the real name of the mythical player being described here as "Tobias Harris"? We could really use this guy right now.

[Jailblazers7]

Tobias looks like he’s so deep inside of his own head that I’m not sure he will find his way out. There were times that he looked really good last year but right now it’s a mess. He’s always making the wrong choice between when to drive, pass, or shoot lol.

Not sure if it’s a move to the bench or just time to work out the kinks that would best serve him. I don’t think it’s really worth the energy to consider moving him to the bench tho because Doc is just never gonna do it.

[phillynative]

"Tobias Harris is not just a good shooter. He’s a great shooter. Pop quiz: How many players have made more 3-pointers over the last two seasons and at a higher rate than Harris (295 3s at a 42.0-percent clip)?

The answer is just two: Stephen Curry (427 3-pointers on 43.7 percent) and Buddy Hield (359 3-pointers on 44.5 percent). That’s how good Harris is from beyond the arc. And he’s shooting north of 50 percent from the corners, where the 76ers need help.

Don’t minimize him as just a shooter. Harris is a huge body at 6-foot-9 and 235 pounds who can run a pick-and-roll and run in transition. Among the 36 players with at least 250 finishing plays as the pick-and-roll ball-handler, only seven players were more efficient than Harris, according to Synergy tracking. He ranks a smidge ahead of Kevin Durant and just below LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard. Harris is not as good as Durant or nearly as consistent, but Paul George may be the only superior Durant proxy in the league."



Someone please tell me the real name of the mythical player being described here as "Tobias Harris"? We could really use this guy right now.

Definitley doesnt describe the guy we have watched the last 4 years. Almost like he changed his game when he got here.

I do remember the offseason when we added Al Horford. I remember him talking about how he went to work on his post game because he knew he would have so many mismatches.

This offseason if hes going to stay or not he need to work on his off the ball game. C&S, picknpop, rolling and cutting , finishing on the break. Sort of a reprogramming .

[Ferry Avenue]

Tobias looks like he’s so deep inside of his own head that I’m not sure he will find his way out. There were times that he looked really good last year but right now it’s a mess. He’s always making the wrong choice between when to drive, pass, or shoot lol.

Not sure if it’s a move to the bench or just time to work out the kinks that would best serve him. I don’t think it’s really worth the energy to consider moving him to the bench tho because Doc is just never gonna do it.

I think that’s because his role has changed so much and so frequently over the past few years.

When you throw him out there alongside the Butler lineup, he has a specific role. Then you change the roster composition and he has an entirely different role. Now you change the roster composition significantly once again with the addition of Harden, and his role changes substantially once again.

All of that amidst being paid like a superstar. Anyone in that situation would probably be experiencing some sort of deep confusion and disorganization.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just flip him for McBuckets + sign Covington this summer and call it a day. We're exponentially better that way.


Harden(33)/Milton(10)/Maxey(5)
Maxey(28)/Green(20)
Thybulle(28)/McDermott(20)
Covington(28)/Niang(20)
Embiid(33)/FA(15)


Harden/Milton/Springer
Maxey/Green/Joe
Thybulle/McDermott/Korkmaz
Covington/Niang/Reed
Embiid/FA/Bassey


I've given up on Korkmaz, but Shake might actually be able to be our 3rd guard for 10-15 mpg if he's given consistent time in that role.

[76ciology]

"Tobias Harris is not just a good shooter. He’s a great shooter. Pop quiz: How many players have made more 3-pointers over the last two seasons and at a higher rate than Harris (295 3s at a 42.0-percent clip)?

The answer is just two: Stephen Curry (427 3-pointers on 43.7 percent) and Buddy Hield (359 3-pointers on 44.5 percent). That’s how good Harris is from beyond the arc. And he’s shooting north of 50 percent from the corners, where the 76ers need help.

Don’t minimize him as just a shooter. Harris is a huge body at 6-foot-9 and 235 pounds who can run a pick-and-roll and run in transition. Among the 36 players with at least 250 finishing plays as the pick-and-roll ball-handler, only seven players were more efficient than Harris, according to Synergy tracking. He ranks a smidge ahead of Kevin Durant and just below LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard. Harris is not as good as Durant or nearly as consistent, but Paul George may be the only superior Durant proxy in the league."



Someone please tell me the real name of the mythical player being described here as "Tobias Harris"? We could really use this guy right now.

Definitley doesnt describe the guy we have watched the last 4 years.

Spoiler:

[stormi]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shots-closest-defender-10/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=4-6%20Feet%20-%20Open&sort=FG3A&dir=1

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shots-closest-defender-10/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&sort=FG3A&dir=1

[76ciology]

^ Tobias’ wide open 3s attempt almost doubled since Harden arrived.