Joel: unchained.

[Jay555]

It's funny Embiid is probably at home looking at his MVP trophy in disgust. He worked so hard for it only to basically be a no show when it counted the most, in the playoffs. Then on TV the guy you beat out is killing it every game. And you hear the chants of The real MVP" and "MVP"" whenever he steps up to shoot a free throw or during interviews at the end of the game. If Denver wins the championship there is a good chance Joker wins final's MVP. Meanwhile in your heart of heart Joel, you know you are probably the only player in the NBA that can give Joker fits on a nightly basis. Yet there you sit at home, with your MVP trophy that has an asterisk next to it. Damn has a regular season MVP trophy ever lost it's luster faster than the one Embiid won?

I think people are making this more of an issue than it was. It was devastating that we lost, and he came up small. But what are the reasons?

#1 - Injured Joel

#2 Poor conditioning form being injured

#3. Reverting to habits from years ago

#4. James Harden playoff masterclass (no showing)

#5. Doc Rivers

#6 Tatum catchign fire in the most lucky way in game 6

#7. Not going to the pick an roll, and if you were going to the pick and roll and it was being blocked/defended against well, not having a healthy alternative plan.



#1 solves itself if he just doesnt' get injured. It's truly luck of the draw. We'll just have to pray that he doesn't get hurt. It solves #2, and probably solves #3, because he can do more things, and has more lift. #4 is resolved, by either having Harden come back for a reasonable contract and have him be the clear #3, or don't resign, and then trade Tobias. #5, Doc is gone, we have an actual championship coach from the last 5 years. #6 Cs are going to look like a different team next year, I'm not concerned about them. #7 Need a more varied offense.

Excuses. Biid flat out choked. Simple as that. Playoff Biid is a real posibility just like Harden until they acutally break out and prove they are not.

I agree with what Horry said. Every bit of it.

[Eyeamok]

It's funny Embiid is probably at home looking at his MVP trophy in disgust. He worked so hard for it only to basically be a no show when it counted the most, in the playoffs. Then on TV the guy you beat out is killing it every game. And you hear the chants of The real MVP" and "MVP"" whenever he steps up to shoot a free throw or during interviews at the end of the game. If Denver wins the championship there is a good chance Joker wins final's MVP. Meanwhile in your heart of heart Joel, you know you are probably the only player in the NBA that can give Joker fits on a nightly basis. Yet there you sit at home, with your MVP trophy that has an asterisk next to it. Damn has a regular season MVP trophy ever lost it's luster faster than the one Embiid won?

The Dirk MVP was pretty bad.

If Embiid wins a title for the 76ers this "MVP" will lose it's asterisk.

[eyeatoma]

It's funny Embiid is probably at home looking at his MVP trophy in disgust. He worked so hard for it only to basically be a no show when it counted the most, in the playoffs. Then on TV the guy you beat out is killing it every game. And you hear the chants of The real MVP" and "MVP"" whenever he steps up to shoot a free throw or during interviews at the end of the game. If Denver wins the championship there is a good chance Joker wins final's MVP. Meanwhile in your heart of heart Joel, you know you are probably the only player in the NBA that can give Joker fits on a nightly basis. Yet there you sit at home, with your MVP trophy that has an asterisk next to it. Damn has a regular season MVP trophy ever lost it's luster faster than the one Embiid won?

I think people are making this more of an issue than it was. It was devastating that we lost, and he came up small. But what are the reasons?

#1 - Injured Joel

#2 Poor conditioning form being injured

#3. Reverting to habits from years ago

#4. James Harden playoff masterclass (no showing)

#5. Doc Rivers

#6 Tatum catchign fire in the most lucky way in game 6

#7. Not going to the pick an roll, and if you were going to the pick and roll and it was being blocked/defended against well, not having a healthy alternative plan.



#1 solves itself if he just doesnt' get injured. It's truly luck of the draw. We'll just have to pray that he doesn't get hurt. It solves #2, and probably solves #3, because he can do more things, and has more lift. #4 is resolved, by either having Harden come back for a reasonable contract and have him be the clear #3, or don't resign, and then trade Tobias. #5, Doc is gone, we have an actual championship coach from the last 5 years. #6 Cs are going to look like a different team next year, I'm not concerned about them. #7 Need a more varied offense.

Excuses. Biid flat out choked. Simple as that. Playoff Biid is a real posibility just like Harden until they acutally break out and prove they are not.

I agree with what Horry said. Every bit of it.

Sure you can call it what you want, fact of the matter is Jo has a much higher chance of being able to fix this, than hobbled over the hill James Harden.

[Jay555]

I think people are making this more of an issue than it was. It was devastating that we lost, and he came up small. But what are the reasons?

#1 - Injured Joel

#2 Poor conditioning form being injured

#3. Reverting to habits from years ago

#4. James Harden playoff masterclass (no showing)

#5. Doc Rivers

#6 Tatum catchign fire in the most lucky way in game 6

#7. Not going to the pick an roll, and if you were going to the pick and roll and it was being blocked/defended against well, not having a healthy alternative plan.



#1 solves itself if he just doesnt' get injured. It's truly luck of the draw. We'll just have to pray that he doesn't get hurt. It solves #2, and probably solves #3, because he can do more things, and has more lift. #4 is resolved, by either having Harden come back for a reasonable contract and have him be the clear #3, or don't resign, and then trade Tobias. #5, Doc is gone, we have an actual championship coach from the last 5 years. #6 Cs are going to look like a different team next year, I'm not concerned about them. #7 Need a more varied offense.

Excuses. Biid flat out choked. Simple as that. Playoff Biid is a real posibility just like Harden until they acutally break out and prove they are not.

I agree with what Horry said. Every bit of it.

Sure you can call it what you want, fact of the matter is Jo has a much higher chance of being able to fix this, than hobbled over the hill James Harden.

Not sure why you needed to compare Embiid's chances vs Harden's which is irrelevant.

[eyeatoma]

Excuses. Biid flat out choked. Simple as that. Playoff Biid is a real posibility just like Harden until they acutally break out and prove they are not.

I agree with what Horry said. Every bit of it.

Sure you can call it what you want, fact of the matter is Jo has a much higher chance of being able to fix this, than hobbled over the hill James Harden.

Not sure why you needed to compare Embiid's chances vs Harden's which is irrelevant.

It's totally relevant. We don't need Harden here. Harden although won us 2 games, played the biggest role in us losing the other 3. More than Embiid even. Jo was a total no show for 1 game. Harden was for 3. Jo is not physically unable to dominate, and is just in the middle of his prime. You ride with Jo, put the best players around him, not ones that are over the hill, get him a good coach,and trust your chances. if he still chokes, well it's not meant to be, and on him. At that point you either trade him, or he requests a trade. Fact of the matter is, this team will handicap itself for years to come by not trading an over the hill Harden.

[Jay555]

Sure you can call it what you want, fact of the matter is Jo has a much higher chance of being able to fix this, than hobbled over the hill James Harden.

Not sure why you needed to compare Embiid's chances vs Harden's which is irrelevant.

It's totally relevant. We don't need Harden here. Harden although won us 2 games, played the biggest role in us losing the other 3. More than Embiid even. Jo was a total no show for 1 game. Harden was for 3. Jo is not physically unable to dominate, and is just in the middle of his prime. You ride with Jo, put the best players around him, not ones that are over the hill, get him a good coach,and trust your chances. if he still chokes, well it's not meant to be, and on him. At that point you either trade him, or he requests a trade. Fact of the matter is, this team will handicap itself for years to come by not trading an over the hill Harden.

Still irrelevant. Are we talking about Embiid or Harden here?

You brought up all the Harden stuff but we were talking about Embiid not being able to perform in the playoffs.

I see what you did there.

[eyeatoma]

Not sure why you needed to compare Embiid's chances vs Harden's which is irrelevant.

It's totally relevant. We don't need Harden here. Harden although won us 2 games, played the biggest role in us losing the other 3. More than Embiid even. Jo was a total no show for 1 game. Harden was for 3. Jo is not physically unable to dominate, and is just in the middle of his prime. You ride with Jo, put the best players around him, not ones that are over the hill, get him a good coach,and trust your chances. if he still chokes, well it's not meant to be, and on him. At that point you either trade him, or he requests a trade. Fact of the matter is, this team will handicap itself for years to come by not trading an over the hill Harden.

Still irrelevant. Are we talking about Embiid or Harden here?

You brought up all the Harden stuff but we were talking about Embiid not being able to perform in the playoffs.

I see what you did there.

You do realise it's that much harder for Embiid to do anything when he's playing 4 on 5 with Harden disappearing lol. Use your brain buddy.

[Jay555]

It's totally relevant. We don't need Harden here. Harden although won us 2 games, played the biggest role in us losing the other 3. More than Embiid even. Jo was a total no show for 1 game. Harden was for 3. Jo is not physically unable to dominate, and is just in the middle of his prime. You ride with Jo, put the best players around him, not ones that are over the hill, get him a good coach,and trust your chances. if he still chokes, well it's not meant to be, and on him. At that point you either trade him, or he requests a trade. Fact of the matter is, this team will handicap itself for years to come by not trading an over the hill Harden.

Still irrelevant. Are we talking about Embiid or Harden here?

You brought up all the Harden stuff but we were talking about Embiid not being able to perform in the playoffs.

I see what you did there.

You do realise it's that much harder for Embiid to do anything when he's playing 4 on 5 with Harden disappearing lol. Use your brain buddy.

Take off your Embiid fan boi glasses and actually recognize the weakness of your boy. Embrace it and hope that he improves it and becomes better mentally and physically instead of making excuses after excuses.

Also it’s not hard to check stats and see who actually performed better in this years playoffs. Embiid would rank 3rd or 4th best on this team lol after Harden, Maxey and Tobi. Matter of fact, Harden won 2 games. Embiid won 0 games Vs Celtics since you wanna go there.

There is a reason people have come to the realization that dude can not be 1A any more.

[eyeatoma]

Still irrelevant. Are we talking about Embiid or Harden here?

You brought up all the Harden stuff but we were talking about Embiid not being able to perform in the playoffs.

I see what you did there.

You do realise it's that much harder for Embiid to do anything when he's playing 4 on 5 with Harden disappearing lol. Use your brain buddy.

Take off your Embiid fan boi glasses and actually recognize the weakness of your boy. Embrace it and hope that he improves it and becomes better mentally and physically instead of making excuses after excuses.

Also it’s not hard to check stats and see who actually performed better in this years playoffs. Embiid would rank 3rd or 4th best on this team lol after Harden, Maxey and Tobi. Matter of fact, Harden won 2 games. Embiid won 0 games Vs Celtics since you wanna go there.

There is a reason people have come to the realization that dude can not be 1A any more.

No one said he needs to play 1a, but fact of the matter is my "boy" is much better than Harden right now. No one will dispute that. This team cannot be revolving around Harden centric offense. Harden cannot get the money he wants and still be on this team. Embiid has improved every single season in the NBA, except for the playoffs. Most of those are with injures. You can say they're excuses, but they actually are. I'd say this season was even an excuse, but give that he absolutely did no show up in Game 7, that's on him. He played the best defense of anyone in the league during the 3 series, except for that game 7, and was decent on offense. Try and see how your "boys" do, with a triple team lol.

Either way I'm done chatting with you, clearly, you don't even understand my point.

[Jay555]

You do realise it's that much harder for Embiid to do anything when he's playing 4 on 5 with Harden disappearing lol. Use your brain buddy.

Take off your Embiid fan boi glasses and actually recognize the weakness of your boy. Embrace it and hope that he improves it and becomes better mentally and physically instead of making excuses after excuses.

Also it’s not hard to check stats and see who actually performed better in this years playoffs. Embiid would rank 3rd or 4th best on this team lol after Harden, Maxey and Tobi. Matter of fact, Harden won 2 games. Embiid won 0 games Vs Celtics since you wanna go there.

There is a reason people have come to the realization that dude can not be 1A any more.

No one said he needs to play 1a, but fact of the matter is my "boy" is much better than Harden right now. No one will dispute that. This team cannot be revolving around Harden centric offense. Harden cannot get the money he wants and still be on this team. Embiid has improved every single season in the NBA, except for the playoffs. Most of those are with injures. You can say they're excuses, but they actually are. I'd say this season was even an excuse, but give that he absolutely did no show up in Game 7, that's on him. He played the best defense of anyone in the league during the 3 series, except for that game 7, and was decent on offense. Try and see how your "boys" do, with a triple team lol.

Either way I'm done chatting with you, clearly, you don't even understand my point.

Wrong. Everyone wanted him to be or thought he was 1a. But it turned out he ain’t it.


Same here. Done chatting with some one who still are talking about irrelevant stuff just so they can feel better.

[mksp]

As if the season wasn't embarrassing enough, now Jokic is proving Embiid's MVP has a huge blinking neon asterisk right next to it.

[Negrodamus]

Why? The MVP was for the regular season. The voters thought Embiid had a better regular season.

[mksp]

Why? The MVP was for the regular season. The voters thought Embiid had a better regular season.

Just obvious that the better player was and is Jokic and Embiid got a pity award because he (1) whined for it and (2) Jokic had won the previous two.

[eyeatoma]

Why? The MVP was for the regular season. The voters thought Embiid had a better regular season.

Just obvious that the better player was and is Jokic and Embiid got a pity award because he (1) whined for it and (2) Jokic had won the previous two.

Lol, okay buddy. Jokic has been better in the playoffs no doubt. He is also able to elevate his game while defenses are able to swarm Embiid. Part of that is on him, the other is on having a terrible 2nd star, who is 50/50 to have a horrible or a great game.

Embiid deserved the MVP more than anyone, the last month also counts, and Jokic took games off, and the Nuggets went on a losing streak. Probably the best thing to do from Denver's end, but let's not forget the Nuggets lost in the 1st round in previous seasons.

[Negrodamus]

Why? The MVP was for the regular season. The voters thought Embiid had a better regular season.

Just obvious that the better player was and is Jokic and Embiid got a pity award because he (1) whined for it and (2) Jokic had won the previous two.

Damn, well if you say it's not legitimate, then I guess he should turn it back in. You're in good company with the Nuggets fans.

I'll still appreciate that we finally got an MVP on our team for the first time in 22 years. Pretty cool to see.

[Jailblazers7]

Meh, Embiid deserved that MVP & the whole “pity vote” thing is just revisionist history because of the playoffs. Denver wasn’t very good the last month or two of the season & that cost Jokic the MVP.

Jokic is definitely the better player & Embiid deserves to be clowned for the next year but he earned that MVP.

[Negrodamus]

Meh, Embiid deserved that MVP & the whole “pity vote” thing is just revisionist history because of the playoffs. Denver wasn’t very good the last month or two of the season & that cost Jokic the MVP.

Jokic is definitely the better player & Embiid deserves to be clowned for the next year but he earned that MVP.

Its peak Philly recency bias mixed with toxic **** on own players.

[Stanford]

Meh, Embiid deserved that MVP & the whole “pity vote” thing is just revisionist history because of the playoffs

Yep. Embiid deserved MVP. Jokic didn't try for a month straight.

[LeonJordanJr24]

MVP is in the past now it's 4 DPOY awards in a row and and 2 chips as the goal.

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid cared a lot about MVP, Jokic didn't care at all, otherwise there would be no contest.