Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Arsenal]

We have the entire season to get under the tax, including the likely Harden trade. It would be criminal to let a rising talent like Basketball leave for such a low number.

CRIMINAL MISMANAGEMENT

[eyeatoma]

I haven’t looked that close, but next season we will have a ton of cap space. We only have Embiid, Tucker, Maxey caphold, and Springer option. How is Paul Reed making a difference?

Click the link in my other post. The article. It explains it.

Makes sense. But I don’t think they are getting anybody either way. Seems like Morey backed himself into a corner and this cap space idea is to keep fans off his back as he works his profile as eccentric genius planner. In reality, next free-agent class isn’t going to get us anybody.

I agree, I think the max FA route is futile, nobody ever chooses Philly, and the class is underwhelming.

[mjkvol]

Read on Twitter

Ainge, that little bas*ard. He's too much.

[Slacktard]

Harris IS an expiring. Why trade him for...Expirings?
I think we'll eventually round out the bench with someone who can score. Not going to panic just yet, but I am mad about Reed. I really think we should hold on to him.

I am too. Doc f--ked us over with Reed. Now we either lose him or take a huge risk on a guy who wasn't given a chance to prove what he can do. But if Morey doesn't match, it makes Morey look incompetent (major league incompetent) because he can't get anyone better. He needs to pull the trigger sooner on the Harden trade to make the numbers work so that we can keep Reed.

OTOH if Doc had played Reed 20 a night we'd know more about where he stood... but I think if Doc played Reed 20 a night Reed would have averaged like 10pts, 8 boards, 1.5 stl/blk and as a RFA probably woulda gotten at least a 3/33 or maybe even 4/44 offer sheet or higher.

So really Morey needs to not be a chump and take Reed at a 'cheaper contract' than he would have gotten had Doc not buried him last year.

[Arsenal]

Harris IS an expiring. Why trade him for...Expirings?
I think we'll eventually round out the bench with someone who can score. Not going to panic just yet, but I am mad about Reed. I really think we should hold on to him.

I am too. Doc f--ked us over with Reed. Now we either lose him or take a huge risk on a guy who wasn't given a chance to prove what he can do. But if Morey doesn't match, it makes Morey look incompetent (major league incompetent) because he can't get anyone better. He needs to pull the trigger sooner on the Harden trade to make the numbers work so that we can keep Reed.

OTOH if Doc had played Reed 20 a night we'd know more about where he stood... but I think if Doc played Reed 20 a night Reed would have averaged like 10pts, 8 boards, 1.5 stl/blk and as a RFA probably woulda gotten at least a 3/33 or maybe even 4/44 offer sheet.

Yeah Glenn hating on the Basketball Victory Tour saved us several million on this contract.

[Embiid P]

Click the link in my other post. The article. It explains it.

Makes sense. But I don’t think they are getting anybody either way. Seems like Morey backed himself into a corner and this cap space idea is to keep fans off his back as he works his profile as eccentric genius planner. In reality, next free-agent class isn’t going to get us anybody.

I agree, I think the max FA route is futile, nobody ever chooses Philly, and the class is underwhelming.

Agreed. It's futile for most NBA cities except Miami, LA, and NYC (the Nets more so than the Knicks because of Dolan). Which is why it's much more feasible for less attractive destinations to find their stars through the draft first and if that doesn't work, trade. And if neither works, you have to go back to square one and rebuild which we are probably going to do if we don't make progress in the postseason this year.

For the majority of NBA teams, free agency can only be used to sign complementary role players not stars.

[Arsenal]

I wonder if we can get Siakam for Harden straight up. Rumors flying he’s on the block but his value is low because he won’t sign an extension anywhere.

TOR obviously needs a PG, but I’m sure James would object.

[GoSixersBro]

They can't sign and trade him if he signed the offer sheet. This person is a nobody. He doesn't know anything.

I'm guesisng you were one of the posters who was anti Sixerfan1976, fl311, as well as our other insiders. We have had legit sources before, we've also had many fans question their credibility, causing these sources to leave the board. This guy is on twitter, so that won't happen, but what's the point of questioning this stuff? I mean yeah question it, but you just come off as someone who is aggravated by this. It drums up discussion, during the dog days of the offseason.

Big ups to my friend’s friend who knows Marc Jackson’s brother.

[Stanford]

Don't believe anything until it happens.

[FireMorey]

Telling you, Morey is going to keep feeding Windy that something is cooking for the rest of the month, and then when Eagles training camp starts and all of Philly's attention shifts to the Eagles, the Sixers rumor front is going to turn dead silent, because Morey will know that once the Eagles are the focus he can get away with doing absolutely nothing and the fans will be too focused elsewhere to be pissed.

Until then though, needs to keep the fans clinging to false hopes of some big move that's never going to happen.

[DCasey91]

Harris IS an expiring. Why trade him for...Expirings?
I think we'll eventually round out the bench with someone who can score. Not going to panic just yet, but I am mad about Reed. I really think we should hold on to him.

Because it looks like they want a max FA slot. If you trade for split contracts of seperate players in over more than one season the flexibility isn’t there anymore.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Harris IS an expiring. Why trade him for...Expirings?
I think we'll eventually round out the bench with someone who can score. Not going to panic just yet, but I am mad about Reed. I really think we should hold on to him.

Because it looks like they want a max FA slot. If you trade for split contracts of seperate players in over more than one season the flexibility isn’t there anymore.

I got ya...Yeah it's all very sobering at this point.

[DCasey91]

Teams routinely wait for restricted free agents to sign an offer sheet, then match. It makes more sense to let them test the market, than negotiating against yourself. And a good agent would see what offers are out there anyway.

I’m not being sarcastic, unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how it’s illogical

Oh I meant illogical after the fact to match the offer now.

The testing of the market is a direction from both parties which can carry inherent risk. Wasn’t a player saying I’ll bet on myself and got a harsh dose of reality in the end he was a philly player too at one point lol

What is the inherent risk to the Sixers? They know what he is worth now, and they can either match or not match. It’s not like he got a deal that spun Morey’s eyeballs around. Whether Paul got good offers or bad offers, the Sixers can just decide whether or not to match. The sixers are in the driver’s seat. They either want him at that price or they don’t.

Unless you are saying they simply won’t match because of the luxury tax, but if that is the case, then the Paul accepting the qualifying offer was the only way he was staying.

Ainge the smart SOB saw the margins we have. I’m guessing it’s frontloaded first season by the reports on Reed’s contract my guess it’s above or thereabouts MLE size so the contract stipulations was on purpose.

Don’t know the qualifying offer, or agent communication between the FO

The risk in being in general not so much this instance because it’s small fry but if the club wants to hold off then pony up to keep someone to match it from a rival it could be overs on what they thought it would be initially. Then your stuck with lose player X for nothing or overpay to keep. There’s other factors, market value, market perception, tax, etc. included.

I would like to see Reed here but now it makes little sense with Bamba/Harrell/Petrusev. But the sobering thing is if it was reversed on all 3 and stick fat with Reed then we’d have no trouble matching the Jazz imo

Crappy thing is we have too much “dead” money with Harris/Tucker especially.

I wouldn’t call us in the drivers seat as we are most likely going to lose another homegrown talent (other being Joe).

[Skates]

So if they match, as they should, will it somehow feel like a victory despite losing three other FA’s and not doing much to replace them or improve last year’s team and it’s weak as heck wings at all? Sixers fandom, Stockholm syndrome style.

[Iverson Armband]

Does resigning Reed hamper our ability to sign a max guy next year?

[eyeatoma]

Does resigning Reed hamper our ability to sign a max guy next year?

Yes, if we decide to keep Reed next year, we can't max a player who has 10 years experience playing or more.

[Monix]

see ya Paul, enjoy Salt Lake City

[DCasey91]

So if they match, as they should, will it somehow feel like a victory despite losing three other FA’s and not doing much to replace them or improve last year’s team and it’s weak as heck wings at all? Sixers fandom, Stockholm syndrome style.

Nope all 4 are basically vying for one spot pretty much (backup big). Should have just waited on signing Harrell/Bamba beforehand

Maybe the org caught wind of the Jazz’s offer who knows

I mean it ain’t easy finding decent wings and good ones have sizeable contracts.

[76thBearCub]

I like his energy but I'd have to think long and hard about matching bball.

[76thBearCub]

I would like to see him get a chance with Nurse and a chance to play with Embiid. It's tough.