The Sixerfan1976 Draft Thread (Update Pg. 49)

F-Stop · Post #141 » by **F-Stop** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:35 am

Don't want to be a thread Hijaker or Terrorist - This is not the thread for this discussion. Last post on this point

Cousins 23min per game is an average. 38 games played the 1st 14 he avg'd 18mins per.
Calipari saw something that Cousins was doing correct and gave him additional time 26mins per (24gms).That is why his avg is low. Not b/c of fouls or the fact that Orton his on his team or b/c of his conditioning. This shows that he works hard and despite the talent around him rose up above most of it (Patterson,Orton,Bledsoe).

Check out his stats and see that when the games got tougher often so did he.

Gsraider · Post #142 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:27 pm

So SF, what does your buddy think will occur if E. Turner absolutely bombs at his private workout, whether in terms of his interviews or his play itself? Does Favors find himself in the mix if that happens?

Post #143 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:36 pm

Gsraider wrote:So SF, what does your buddy think will occur if E. Turner absolutely bombs at his private workout, whether in terms of his interviews or his play itself? Does Favors find himself in the mix if that happens?

Define absolutely bombs? I mean... if Turner comes in and misses every shot he takes, do you pass on him and ignore what he's actually done because you suddenly believe he can't play?

sixerfan1976 · Post #144 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:11 pm

he would have to injure himself badly for us not to take him.

there is no favors or cousins back into the mix...the top 2 picks have been decided since the draft lottery.

SJSF · Post #145 » by **SJSF** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:54 pm

Evans has been a lock since the lottery. And really Cousins? Stats are for suckers.

Post #146 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:57 pm

SJSF wrote:Stats are for suckers.

I agree that Turner HAS to be the pick at #2 but I think the above statement is completely ridiculous since stats most definitely aren't to be ignored.

SJSF · Post #147 » by **SJSF** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:06 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:
SJSF wrote:Stats are for suckers.

I agree that Turner HAS to be the pick at #2 but I think the above statement is completely ridiculous since stats most definitely aren't to be ignored.

There are some players out there that play mainly for their stats. Which could be mislead that these players are great players. Their are some guys that take big shots and make them and their are the guys that don't want to take the tough shot and will just pass it off. If you base a guy off stats and don't watch him play day in and day out. Then stats are useless. We all look at the box score and see guys STATS. But does that really describe how he played? No it doesn't.

Post #148 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:09 pm

No, you don't base your complete opinion off of someone's stats (Ricky Davis comes to mind) but at the same time, they shouldn't just be disregarded as if they are meaningless.

34Charles · Post #149 » by **34Charles** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:11 pm

If Turner is such a lock....why are they bringing in Favors and Cousins as well as Wesley Johnson the following day???

I'm still holding out hope that the Sixers go with the youth and length of Derrick Favors....did you see the workout video of him at Sacr? The guy barely has to jump to throw it down!!!! Now ideally they move a player or two to get into the 10-13 range and pick Paul George, another guy with length that can play the 2 or 3. If I'm not mistaken he played with Jrue Holiday on a team a few years ago?!?!?!

Post #150 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:19 pm

Let's put it this way... if the Sixers DIDN'T bring in Favors, Cousins, and Johnson for work-outs, there would be a ton of threads created here saying that Stefanski isn't doing his job because he's ignoring the possibility of a better player being out there. What else does the Sixers FO have to do right now?

As far as I'm concerned, I think they should bring in as many players as they can. I've heard this discussed elsewhere in the past but teams do use these pre-draft workouts and meetings down the road as helpful information during trade talks. Let's say in two years, the Kings decide they want to move Cousins in a deal because they don't believe they can get the best out of him. The Sixers will at least be able to look back at their notes and have more information on him than they would should they never have met him.

Now, I'm not saying these workouts are solely for trade info down the road but I think it's a case of an organization practicing due diligence and double-checking that Turner is, in fact, the best man for the franchise.

Gsraider · Post #151 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:39 pm

34Charles wrote:If Turner is such a lock....why are they bringing in Favors and Cousins as well as Wesley Johnson the following day???

I think the chances of moving the pick are remote, but I don't think Stefanski was lying when he said that it would have to be a blockbuster to trade down. Well, suppose someone offers a blockbuster that no one is even thinking about right now? If that were to occur, however remote the chances, at least Philly would have had a chance to work out a few other prospects.

ZzAzZ · Post #152 » by **ZzAzZ** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:41 pm

34Charles wrote:If Turner is such a lock....why are they bringing in Favors and Cousins as well as Wesley Johnson the following day???

I think we're bringing them in for when we trade Elton Brand for the #4 or 5.

34Charles · Post #153 » by **34Charles** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm

I have a feeling that Evan Turner is gonna get selected by Philly and then they're gonna wait and see what happens with the next few picks......If somehow Favors slips to Minnesota at #4.....I can see a trade going down.....Turner for Favors and the #16. If Favors gets taken by NJ, then Philly sticks with Turner and claim he's the guy they wanted all along!!!!!!!!

Gsraider · Post #154 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:45 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Define absolutely bombs? I mean... if Turner comes in and misses every shot he takes, do you pass on him and ignore what he's actually done because you suddenly believe he can't play?

Even though SF already answered the question, it's not for me to say what the Sixers would define as bombing. Perhaps he comes across very poorly in personal interviews and they come away concerned about his demeanor, coachability, or whatever. Perhaps he comes in and looks less athletic and versatile than they originally thought and are concerned about how that will translate at the pro level. I think these are not overly realistic, but it wouldn't be the first time that a prospect disappoints during a workout. For that matter, if you have seen enough of him to know what he's actually done and are locked in on him at #2, why even conduct a private workout? Why not just sit down and talk with him and get a personal perspective.

ZarcMumoff · Post #155 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:53 pm

34Charles wrote:I have a feeling that Evan Turner is gonna get selected by Philly and then they're gonna wait and see what happens with the next few picks......If somehow Favors slips to Minnesota at #4.....I can see a trade going down.....Turner for Favors and the #16. If Favors gets taken by NJ, then Philly sticks with Turner and claim he's the guy they wanted all along!!!!!!!!

Que?

Why wouldn't they just take Favors then? If they like Favors more than Turner and aren't positive he falls to #4 then why not just take Favors?

ZarcMumoff · Post #156 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:58 pm

34Charles wrote:The guy (Favors) barely has to jump to throw it down!!!!

Shawn Bradley can say the same thing.

Post #157 » by **tk76** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:05 pm

I can see how a workout would greatly impact how you view a lesser known player- like a small conference, HS or Euro player. But I'm sure they have seen more than enough out of Turner and cousins (and probably Favors) to have arrived at a decision. I think these workouts are more "due diligence" than anything. Akin to how the Sixers held lots of coaching interviews these past to years, but hired the first guy the interviewed both times... and they likely will draft the first guy who is coming in for a workout- Turner.

Gsraider · Post #158 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:15 pm

34Charles wrote:I have a feeling that Evan Turner is gonna get selected by Philly and then they're gonna wait and see what happens with the next few picks......If somehow Favors slips to Minnesota at #4.....I can see a trade going down.....Turner for Favors and the #16. If Favors gets taken by NJ, then Philly sticks with Turner and claim he's the guy they wanted all along!!!!!!!!

If the #16 pick is all Philly received to move down to #4, I would be absolutely furious and be right on board with Westbrook as it relates to Stefanski being the worst GM imaginable. I would imagine that the Sixers would have to get way more than a mid-round pick in a mediocre draft to even consider moving down.

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #159 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:04 pm

It's hard to remember with all of the swirling discussion, but many people still consider this a 2 man draft, and we have one of the top 2 picks! I don't think we need to complicate this thing. I don't necessarily think the drop-off is huge after Turner, but I do believe it's significant enough in terms of questions guys inspire, to go ahead and take Turner and be happy about it. I do, however, think there are enough big men with a shot at being pretty good, that it's a drafty worth trading back into, and we have a logjam at the 3 spot, so moving a position of excess and recieving a position of need is fine with me even if we're not TOTALLY getting value. It's about moving on to a new stage of development, and you can't get hung up on this guy's worth this and that guy's worth that....it's more about what the guy is worth to the organization and the advancement of the team. In our case I think either Thad or Iggy are worth moving to get a big you think can be your starter for the next 5 years or more, and not look back.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #160 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:27 pm

34Charles wrote:If Turner is such a lock....why are they bringing in Favors and Cousins as well as Wesley Johnson the following day???

I'm still holding out hope that the Sixers go with the youth and length of Derrick Favors....did you see the workout video of him at Sacr? The guy barely has to jump to throw it down!!!! Now ideally they move a player or two to get into the 10-13 range and pick Paul George, another guy with length that can play the 2 or 3. If I'm not mistaken he played with Jrue Holiday on a team a few years ago?!?!?!

What team ever only works out one player? It would be stupid and moronic to do so. You have to do your job and prepare for all scenarios.