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sixersinsider · Post #141 » by **sixersinsider** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:47 pm

Patience People
Theirs been whispers of Lou will being shopped
A combo of Lou and speights will garner us an under NBA Starter that is under 25

phiphan · Post #142 » by **phiphan** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:03 pm

sixersinsider wrote:Patience People
Theirs been whispers of Lou will being shopped
A combo of Lou and speights will garner us an under NBA Starter that is under 25

Nope.

Post #143 » by **Foshan** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:04 pm

^yeah, not sure who that would be?

ponder719 · Post #144 » by **ponder719** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:24 pm

sixersinsider wrote:A combo of Lou and speights will garner us an under NBA Starter that is under 25

An under-NBA starter, huh? Anybody know which NBDL starters we might be looking at? :wink:

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #145 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 4:27 pm

Trades don't work like in video games...

Mik317 · Post #146 » by **Mik317** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 5:42 pm

Wes Matthews?

bumpo · Post #147 » by **bumpo** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 5:44 pm

Knux-Future wrote:Wes Matthews?

yes?

Skates · Post #148 » by **Skates** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:13 pm

I can see management taking this season to see what they need to see about Turner and Holiday's potential, and Vucevic and Brackins to a lesser extent. If no big moves are made now, I think they will be next summer. These owners will make a splash, it just may not be right away.

P2K · Post #149 » by **P2K** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 10:52 pm

Skates wrote:I can see management taking this season to see what they need to see about Turner and Holiday's potential, and Vucevic and Brackins to a lesser extent. If no big moves are made now, I think they will be next summer. These owners will make a splash, it just may not be right away.

OOOoooorrrr they could get off their humps, stop messing around and get this team to being a real contender by getting one of these superstars instead of waiting on non-superstar potential.

Winejk · Post #150 » by **Winejk** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:14 pm

OOOoooorrrr they could get off their humps, stop messing around and get this team to being a real contender by getting one of these superstars instead of waiting on non-superstar potential.

If you are talking Paul and Howard then realize that they are going to opt out of their contracts guaranteed. They will be able to get the biggest contract (length and total money) if they become free agents rather than signing an extension. Get this in your head: PAUL AND HOWARD WILL OPT OUT OF THEIR CONTRACTS NO MATTER WHAT. Deron has already said the same thing. It is all about getting the biggest payday.

All this trade talk is only for a one year rental of any of these players. That's it. Might as well wait until next year. That's when it is really going to be fun.

P2K · Post #151 » by **P2K** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:27 pm

And get this through your head: SO THE HELL WHAT.

Why are people so afraid to trade anyone on this damn team? And I'm not even saying trade for one of Howard or Paul. But how about making sure we can even be in the running financially for these FAs next year? It would help, right? It helped with getting Brand.

How could anyone be so damn afraid to break apart this oh so devastating nucleus?

lol

Winejk · Post #152 » by **Winejk** » Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:59 pm

And get this through your head: SO THE HELL WHAT.

Why are people so afraid to trade anyone on this damn team?

I don't think anyone is afraid to trade players on this team, but it still has to make sense. From all the rumors that we hear, nobody is really offering anything for Iguodala that is intriguing. Monta Ellis is at best a lateral move and we already have Monta Ellis-lite in Lou Williams. Kaman isn't going to do much for this team. I'm sure if a beneficial trade arose, trades would be made.

And I'm not even saying trade for one of Howard or Paul.

In a previous post you said: "OOOoooorrrr they could get off their humps, stop messing around and get this team to being a real contender by getting one of these superstars instead of waiting on non-superstar potential." So if you aren't talking about Howard or Paul, who are you talking about? Nene? Chandler? Gasol? If you are talking about non FA stars, who do you propose and how do you suggest the Sixers acquire them?

But how about making sure we can even be in the running financially for these FAs next year? It would help, right? It helped with getting Brand.

As the way things stand now, Philly will have the cap space to go after a grade A free agent next season. Hawes, Nocioni, Speights, Brackins and Meeks all can come off the cap after this season. Depending on what happens with Thad, the Sixers could potentially have $29 million or so of cap room while still having Iguodala, Williams, Turner and Holiday under contract if the amnesty clause is used on Brand. The best thing to do is not to screw the potential cap space up by signing mediocre free agents to multi year deals this season. The Sixers actually don't have to do anything to make sure they in the running financially for the top FAs next year. Just don't hand out any stupid contracts or make trades that bring back a lot of salary.

How could anyone be so damn afraid to break apart this oh so devastating nucleus?

The thing is do we even have a nucleus? We have some young guys that have some potential and we have a couple of very good veterans, but there is still a lot of uncertainty. Why start breaking up the team that progressed well under Collins' first year when you are not even sure what we have yet and no trade rumors are exciting, knowing you could make a big splash next season in acquiring a superstar?

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #153 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 12:21 am

We need to get in on this craziness. There will be a GM that reacts to this & wants an Iguodala & Brand.

We need to turn course & not collect stars, collect talent. Buck the trend.

Don't overpay for the Kwame Brown's.

Get Ainge in on Iggy so we can get that Clipper pick. Work in Hibbert as well.

Sign n trade Young. Denver? Get back Chandler & picks.

A dream? Sure. But also vision...

LongLiveHinkie · Post #154 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 12:24 am

React?

Sure, the Sixers can react with some small-time move, but reacting to the elite teams getting better is like Zimbabwe getting a new scud missile to compete with the United States in a nuclear war.

Mahorn at the 4 · Post #155 » by **Mahorn at the 4** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 12:27 am

We need to get off this hamster wheel & look forward.

P2K · Post #156 » by **P2K** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:20 am

Winejk wrote:I don't think anyone is afraid to trade players on this team, but it still has to make sense. From all the rumors that we hear, nobody is really offering anything for Iguodala that is intriguing. Monta Ellis is at best a lateral move and we already have Monta Ellis-lite in Lou Williams. Kaman isn't going to do much for this team. I'm sure if a beneficial trade arose, trades would be made.

It's because we're not offering an intriguing player back. We're not offering up an all star player. So you're not getting back something special. I don't know why people expect that. Hell, we could've at least got into the Paul trade and done something.

In a previous post you said: "OOOoooorrrr they could get off their humps, stop messing around and get this team to being a real contender by getting one of these superstars instead of waiting on non-superstar potential." So if you aren't talking about Howard or Paul, who are you talking about? Nene? Chandler? Gasol? If you are talking about non FA stars, who do you propose and how do you suggest the Sixers acquire them?

You assumed. Not good. As for who to get, I don't know. That's not my job. But I would really like to know that this franchise is at least trying their butts off.

As the way things stand now, Philly will have the cap space to go after a grade A free agent next season. Hawes, Nocioni, Speights, Brackins and Meeks all can come off the cap after this season. Depending on what happens with Thad, the Sixers could potentially have $29 million or so of cap room while still having Iguodala, Williams, Turner and Holiday under contract if the amnesty clause is used on Brand. The best thing to do is not to screw the potential cap space up by signing mediocre free agents to multi year deals this season. The Sixers actually don't have to do anything to make sure they in the running financially for the top FAs next year. Just don't hand out any stupid contracts or make trades that bring back a lot of salary.

But you know they will. The FO thinks this team is good enough to contend, so they will go and sign a couple of guys.

The thing is do we even have a nucleus? We have some young guys that have some potential and we have a couple of very good veterans, but there is still a lot of uncertainty. Why start breaking up the team that progressed well under Collins' first year when you are not even sure what we have yet and no trade rumors are exciting, knowing you could make a big splash next season in acquiring a superstar?

What's on the team now is not good enough. Everyone can agree to that. Look, fine....we shall see if we have all this cap space. If we do, great. But we aren't even in discussions for ANYTHING. To me, that's disturbing.

sixerfan1976 · Post #157 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:57 am

still talking to kwame but also have spoken to sammy D believe it or not. Kwame still perceived more likely.

51X3RF4N · Post #158 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 2:26 am

I agree with those who are complaining about a lack of vision for this organization.

How is it possible that all these basketball scouts and talent evaluators, GM, coach, new owners, etc. all agree that this team is headed in the right direction? Really?? Really???

They are in a position where they won't be contending for the next 3-5 years. Mainly due to the supersquads being assembled around them, while they sit back and do nothing. Knicks, Nets, Heat, Lakers....plus teams like the Bobcats building with guys like Henderson, Walker, Biyombo.

The ONLY consolation to the fact that NYK, Miami and LAL are going to have 5-7 of the top 15 players in the league is that the rest of the league will be more wide open. So the Sixers could end up 4th in the East at some point, but still not even come close to winning it all. But hey, they'd be better than many other teams, right?? :-?

If the Sixers don't plan on using Jrue, Turner, Lou, Speights, Vucevic, picks, and others to go out and get big name players in trades to pair with Iggy and make a true run, then they need to go in the other direction completely and start looking to the draft for the "next" superstar. Which means tanking and blowing it up, building around a guy like Drummond, Sullinger, Rivers, etc. Those guys who have SUPERstar written all over them. Jrue and Turner just have Star, not SUPERstar.

So either go get 1-2 top 30 players to team up with Iggy, such as Rondo, Aldridge, Ellis, Love, Brook Lopez, etc. and make a run to compete with the giants of the NBA. OR blow it all up and start from scratch, looking to tank for a top 3 pick in 2012.

It's not hard. We thought we tanked for Turner, but that doesn't look like it's going to produce a SUPER star, so let's tank again and get a true stud in a loaded draft.

agiaco · Post #159 » by **agiaco** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:05 am

sixerfan1976 wrote:still talking to kwame but also have spoken to sammy D believe it or not. Kwame still perceived more likely.

I'd take Sammy over Kwame I think

76ciology · Post #160 » by **76ciology** » Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:21 am

51X3RF4N wrote:I agree with those who are complaining about a lack of vision for this organization.

Actually, I think we're making improvements in terms of "vision." I think if we are still under the previous management, they would have easily use the amnesty in Nocioni. But I think the FO is open in making a splash in either the 2012 and 2013 FA, that's why they are saving the amnesty for future use.

With regards to tanking, I don't think it's the BEST move. How do you tank when you're paying 30+M on EB42 and Iggy? How do you explain to Doug Collins that we are going to take a step back and try our luck in the lotto?

For me right now, the best move is to try our best to be competitive next season.
- Improve the chemistry between Iggy, ET, Jrue and Thad.
- Acquire a starting C via Lou/Mareese/Pick.
- Be competitive then try our luck luring D12 in 2012 by projecting that we have a competitive environment, we have a competitive squad, we have the personnel to compete with him in the next 5-7 seasons, and we have the money to sign him.

If not, that's the time when we can either use the amnesty with Iggy or tank since we are in a position where we need talent with the near departure of Iggy/EB42.